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I have trouble sleeping. Not getting to sleep (usually asleep witthin 10-20 mins of hitting the pillow), but staying asleep. I usually wake up at around 4-5 am, and sometimes can't get back to sleep again. If I'm lucky I can make it through to 6/7ish, then I toss and turn and after an hour or so give it up as a bad job and get up. Problem is, I'm then deathly tired all day. Its worse when I have to stay up late (got in about 2am this morning but was still wide awake at 6)

I have been this way for a few years now. I used to think it was stress, but I have a lot less stress in my life than I used to and nothings improved. I sleep in a pitch black room, with no external noise. I go to bed at a regular time, I try to eat well and exercse regularly. Yet its rare I get a refreshing nights sleep. Is there something wrong with me, or is this just the way I am? I would've thought my body would sleep if I needed it (which believe me, I do!), but it just refuses :(

Anyone any ideas, or am I doomed to a life of tiredness?

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I have trouble sleeping. Not getting to sleep (usually asleep witthin 10-20 mins of hitting the pillow), but staying asleep. I usually wake up at around 4-5 am, and sometimes can't get back to sleep again. If I'm lucky I can make it through to 6/7ish, then I toss and turn and after an hour or so give it up as a bad job and get up. Problem is, I'm then deathly tired all day. Its worse when I have to stay up late (got in about 2am this morning but was still wide awake at 6)

I have been this way for a few years now. I used to think it was stress, but I have a lot less stress in my life than I used to and nothings improved. I sleep in a pitch black room, with no external noise. I go to bed at a regular time, I try to eat well and exercse regularly. Yet its rare I get a refreshing nights sleep. Is there something wrong with me, or is this just the way I am? I would've thought my body would sleep if I needed it (which believe me, I do!), but it just refuses :(

Anyone any ideas, or am I doomed to a life of tiredness?

How dark is your bedroom? Its light very early at this time of year. Try darkening your room, or wearing some kind of sleep mask or something. Also ear plugs might insulate, people starting cars or slamming doors first thing.

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How dark is your bedroom? Its light very early at this time of year. Try darkening your room, or wearing some kind of sleep mask or something. Also ear plugs might insulate, people starting cars or slamming doors first thing.

The room is pitch black, I have very good blackout blinds. I did think about earplugs, but I tried them before when I lived on a main road and they were too uncomfortable for me to get to sleep in!

I have always had issues with sleep. I envy those people who can fall asleep in an armchair or on the beach etc. I can only sleep in my own bed, at night! (for a few hours if I'm lucky!)

Depression?

Hmm dont think i'm depressed. I was once, and tbh i think I slept more then!

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Anyone any ideas, or am I doomed to a life of tiredness?

Is it every night, most nights, or some nights?

At this time of year it is likely to be exacerbated by the heat, humidity and possibly pollen if you have hayfever.

Do you have a regular sleep pattern? do you get up at a set time every day?

Short term fixes might be having a hot bath before you go to bed, try some mild sleeping pills or, dare I say it, smoking something herbal.

Longer term, try this or speak to a quack.

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Its most nights. I consider 7am a lie in (even though I don't need to get up for work until 8)

I know the doc will probably just give me pills, which I don't really want. I want a solution!

'smoking something herbal' does actually work..but I'm not keen on it as it affects my mental state and makes me lethargic the day after :(

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You should try and get it sorted by a professional sleep specialist that your GP can refer you to... but best of luck with that in the current climate.

Anxiety & Depression would be my best unprofessional guess. Your 'inner child' might be wanting to say something.

Your serotonin levels might be mixed up so consider taking Vitamin D3, magnesium and zinc supplements.

I am not a doctor.

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Define. :)

minimal processed stuff, other than the occasional treat, mostly good quality meats with small amounts of carbs. no sugary stuff, no pastry, white bread, white pasta etc.

Its defintely worse when I drink, but only because I feel worse due to the booze in my system. I only drink at weekends and still sleep about the same amount of time during the week when I havent been drinking

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Its most nights. I consider 7am a lie in (even though I don't need to get up for work until 8)

Presumably nothing different between the days when you do and don't sleep?

Do you do a laborious job or an office job? If you do a lot of physical exertion do you sleep better?

Does your brain race at night, or do you feel fidgety and restless while your brain is screaming for sleep?

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You have not told us when you actually get to sleep. Call me Poirot - but is that not rather important in this discussion. ;)

If you go to sleep at 11 or so then sleeping well until 4-5am is no big deal IMO. I only need 7 hours max myself. Can easy get by on 6 or so. So I don't go to sleep until after midnight. Even if getting up at 6am or so.

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You should try and get it sorted by a professional sleep specialist that your GP can refer you to... but best of luck with that in the current climate.

Anxiety & Depression would be my best unprofessional guess. Your 'inner child' might be wanting to say something.

Your serotonin levels might be mixed up so consider taking Vitamin D3, magnesium and zinc supplements.

I am not a doctor.

I too am not a doctor.

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Presumably nothing different between the days when you do and don't sleep?

Do you do a laborious job or an office job? If you do a lot of physical exertion do you sleep better?

Does your brain race at night, or do you feel fidgety and restless while your brain is screaming for sleep?

No nothing different. I do an office job. I can't say I sleep better with physcal exertion.. I go running 4/5 times a week and walk a lot and don't remember sleeping any better with or without that..Its a mystery

Worried that I might be depressed/stressed/anxious now!

Sometimes I have stuff on my mind, but that is more likely to prevent me from getting to sleep (brain racing)..the main problem is when I wake up and can't sleep again. Then I just toss and turn and wish I could get back to sleep. I manage for maybe 5 or 10 minutes, then I'm awake again for half an hour (repeat for an hour or 2)

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You have not told us when you actually get to sleep. Call me Poirot - but is that not rather important in this discussion. ;)

If you go to sleep at 11 or so then sleeping well until 4-5am is no big deal IMO. I only need 7 hours max myself. Can easy get by on 6 or so. So I don't go to sleep until after midnight. Even if getting up at 6am or so.

I'm usually asleep for about midnight. Agreed, 6 or 7 hours is usually ok, but I know I need more than 4 or 5 hours because of how tired I am the next day! Problem is 4 or 5 nights a week I only get 4 or 5 (sometimes less). Its usually being so tired that allows me to have 6 or 7 the day after, which kinda sorts me out, but only for that day!

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I think you are going to need a specialist :(

Some options:

Sleep Apnea

Restless Leg Syndrome

Or just that your mind is stressed / preoccupied.

Not much help I know. I knew a guy at Uni with a similar problem.. he used to be up all times of day. Used to drive him mad.

Good luck..

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Perhaps you could try this route "Hypnotherapy". I would suggest that that you find someone that is recommended to you rather than a name on the internet or phonebook.

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I'm usually asleep for about midnight. Agreed, 6 or 7 hours is usually ok, but I know I need more than 4 or 5 hours because of how tired I am the next day! Problem is 4 or 5 nights a week I only get 4 or 5 (sometimes less). Its usually being so tired that allows me to have 6 or 7 the day after, which kinda sorts me out, but only for that day!

I am no Doctor - but perhaps the time of sleep you are getting is just fine - and you body is more than happy with it. But your tiredness is down to something completely different ?

You get to sleep easy and you sleep for 4-5 hours no problem. Doesn't sound like a 'sleeping problem' to me. Unless it is the quality of sleep you are getting rather than the time of it. You get many dreams ? If so then you are getting a good deep sleep.

I know a few people with sleep problems. They would swap with you in a jiffy !! Some literally get close to none.

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hmmm

could my serotonin levels be mixed up due to my..shall we say.... 'chemical excesses' in my youth?

If so is it fixable just with some vitamins?

Yes, quite possibly.

Friends of mine who specialise in mental health tell me that they are flooded with people with all sorts of mental health issues from anxiety & depression through to serious mental disorders at much earlier ages now - 40s is not uncommon whereas it used to be in the 70s until about 5 to 10 years ago before people showed such signs.

In fact, they tell me the NHS is swamped with people in their mid to late 20s showing all the classic signs of dementia illnesses due to having taken various "These aren't harmful" drugs in their teens and early 20s.

But don't jump the gun and going thinking the worst - classic sign of anxiety & depression in fact.

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minimal processed stuff, other than the occasional treat, mostly good quality meats with small amounts of carbs. no sugary stuff, no pastry, white bread, white pasta etc.

Do you mean brown bread/pasta, or no bread/pasta? It's all garbage. Look at the fat bodies thread for the general consensus amongst JS, trickster, myself and others to what a healthy diet really should contain. :)

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How much caffeine do you drink?

I find that I get similar sleeplessness to you if I have more than one normal sized cup of coffee per day.

I like coffee, but I hate waking at 3 or 4 so I have learned to limit myself.

The worst thing is that I always manage to get back to sleep just before the alarm goes off.

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Actually the OP is getting more sleep than I am. :huh:

I kinda got used to getting adequate sleep rather than excellent sleep. With the short nights I'm waking much earlier, as my room is too light (venetian blinds) and while I have something to cover my eyes its too restrictive.

I sleep much better now my diet has "improved" and now I'm not stuffing too much. Certainly any kind of wheat, was a killer. Used to suffer with stomach discomforts and really scary acid reflux where I would wake up suddenly chocking on my own gastric juices. Horrid. Much reduced belly size has helped too.

Not sure what to suggest, as you say you could see your Doc but they will just prescribe pills, and no doubt throw in some statins! :lol:

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