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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14348693

This is not good news for town centres...it is stressful enough and expensive enough traveling into town by car for entertainment, to do business or to shop....this is not good if what we want is to grow our economy, it will make people think twice about traveling if you don't have to....unless like the few who can claim it back on expenses. ;)

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Excellent, go long ont the supermarkets short on ther inner towners shops.

There's a new Tesco opening in Fareham town centre - I wonder how many free time limited spaces it will have. Who'll want to pay in the car park next door from now on?

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It will cost more than it raises.

London has been charging for the parking at exorbitant rates for ages and I think they are raking in nicely.

As for the shops - those on the border line will eventually close anyway given today's climate.

Parking tax is easy to administer, easy to calculate, easy to collect and hard to fiddle and definitely a much better idea than raising council tax or VAT.

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London has been charging for the parking at exorbitant rates for ages and I think they are raking in nicely.

As for the shops - those on the border line will eventually close anyway given today's climate.

Parking tax is easy to administer, easy to calculate, easy to collect and hard to fiddle and definitely a much better idea than raising council tax or VAT.

London is an overpopulated hole. People don't have any choice, and/or are so wrapped up in the fact they live in Lahn-Dahn may not care.

Many others do. And many will not spend that tenner down the shops (£2 in VAT) if it means spending a quid on parking. Everyone's a loser.

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If there is good convenient, regular, reliable, public transport that doesn't go all round the houses it is worth using that if you are not planning on carrying too much home...not everyone has access to that facility...some have to use a car if they want to leave the house to travel any distance to the shops...

Therefore they will travel less, shop less, spend less and pay less taxes......it is not just the cost it is the whole bad experience, like they keep putting up barriers and making life as difficult as they can, with few free car parks and in some places no car parks, as if they don't want the car or the shopper in the vicinity.......what do they want then ghost towns with everyone shopping on line? ;)

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This issue has been rumbling on in York since shortly after I moved here in 2000. The Lib Dems unexpectedly won the following council election in 2002, albeit with a tiny majority, largely as a result of the scandal surrounding this intriguing chap. The LDs proceeded to act out a greenie wet dream despite howls of protestation from virtually the entire city. Among their innovations were massive hikes in the cost of residents' parking permits, and, crucially, huge increases in city centre parking charges and the extension of charging at metered and car park spaces to 24/7. Businesses in the city centre that operated in the evening and which catered to residents as distinct from tourists were absolutely hammered. Even now, you'll mainly find boutique type shops and restaurants that cater to tourists (who come in by some method of public transport and stay in hotels within walking distance) in the city centre. You won't, for example, find any of the big supermarket chains within easy walking distance of the Minster (there's a Sainsbury's just under a mile away, but for anything else you'll need to go to the ring road shopping centres), apart from corner shops that they've taken over and turned into mini versions.

York now has a reputation in the region as somewhere you don't go for the day if you need or want to drive. To a certain extent it's exempt from normal market economics because of the tourist trade, as is London, but the lefties' anti-motorist jihad has still inflicted serious problems.

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So it's the tourists with their cash to spend that come before the local residents that work hard and pay their taxes...whatever they get it is never enough always wanting to squeeze out more..... :rolleyes:

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In Bath there used to be a few streets a few minutes walk from the centre with 2 hour free parking, for example maybe 25 cars used to be on Pulteney Road at any one time in fact here it was for old times sake when it was about 50/50 getting a space or not, then one day I turned up and it was all but empty and in place of the cars of shoppers there were black posts on the path charging a minimum £3.90 for 2 hours. That was about a year ago and it is still completely empty every time i go past. The 2 hours limit ensured a turnover of shoppers, say 10 shopping hours a day 7 days a week that's maybe 91,000 shoppers a year who have said f'you very much to shopping in the town. Seriously NO ONE ever parks there now. In their arrogance the council no doubt assume everyone is still coming so must be paying to park somewhere else.

However in Wiltshire where they sharply increased parking charges county-wide in one go, the numbers just in show

In West Central car park in Devizes occupancy has fallen 40 per cent to 61 per cent; in Bath Road, Chippenham, it has fallen by 30 per cent to 38 per cent; in Church Street, Calne, it has fallen from 63 per cent to just 3 per cent and in George Lane, Marlborough, it has fallen from 70 per cent to 38 per cent.

http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/9160583.Motorists_shun_car_parks_in_Wiltshire/

Why is it taking the council so long to work out something so simple? Well the no doubt very very highly paid Jane Scott OBE has finished thinking about it and has come to the following dumb as ****** conclusion:

Council leader Jane Scott claimed the fall in spending in shops in Wiltshire was not due to the increased car parking charges but the economic situation generally.

just :rolleyes:

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Just another nail in the coffin for the high street. Just look at your own town/city centre the level of shop occupancy is falling, I don't count charity shops as they do feck all for the economy.

Most of the shops will be boarded up with the boards having some "art" on them, this is just an effort to hide the fact the shop is empty.

The examples of there being multiple shops for the same reatailer in city centres is also on the wane.

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Short term gains, long time slump...

they're not even getting short term gains by the look of it, i'm struggling a bit to be certain if they are losing 500k a year in parking revenue or it is just 500k less than the predicted increase but this seems to clearly say it's an actual loss over the income before the increase so i'll believe it

Controversial increases in car parking charges are set to cost Wiltshire Council up to £500,000 in lost revenue this year.
http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/9167700.Wiltshire_car_parks_running_on_empty/

And yet they still have to have meetings about meetings trying to decide if a very very quick U'turn is in order before new shopping online habits are formed :rolleyes:

Still all this talk does go to show that charges are not about making parking work but is just another tax on you when you try to do anything.

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The councillors get back-handers from the major retailers in exchange for bringing in charges for parking to soften up the competition.

The councillors then get more back-handers from the major supermarkets for planning consent for "out-of-town" supermarkets with free parking.

The councillors then get even more back-handers for allowing the major supermarket chains to buy out distressed local shops and then give them planning permission to expand the corner shops and get alcohol licences etc.

The councillors then.....oh, but surely now you must get the "big picture"....!!!

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On the telly this morning , the guy from Westminster Conncil said they were bringing in charging on Sundays to aid traffic flow . They said the local and non local people would be in favour of this. They quoted something like £4.40 an hour to park in their borough .

Fking extortion !!

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On the telly this morning , the guy from Westminster Conncil said they were bringing in charging on Sundays to aid traffic flow . They said the local and non local people would be in favour of this. They quoted something like £4.40 an hour to park in their borough .

Fking extortion !!

Why is there a problem on Sundays and not the usual rush hour? £4.40 per hour is mental. I pay 30p for 2 hours in my local town centre and parking is a breeze, so many spaces, proper sound place as well, no chavs or foreigners loitering around. I don't envy capital city life at all.

My view on congestion is simple. Reduce congestion by making all schools open at 10am and not before. Studies have shown that teenagers' brains do not function correctly until mid to late morning anyway. You reduce congestion and mellow out many children in one go, probably solving many if not all of societies problems. You are welcome.

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Why is there a problem on Sundays and not the usual rush hour? £4.40 per hour is mental. I pay 30p for 2 hours in my local town centre and parking is a breeze, so many spaces, proper sound place as well, no chavs or foreigners loitering around. I don't envy capital city life at all.

My view on congestion is simple. Reduce congestion by making all schools open at 10am and not before. Studies have shown that teenagers' brains do not function correctly until mid to late morning anyway. You reduce congestion and mellow out many children in one go, probably solving many if not all of societies problems. You are welcome.

Where's that? That's 1980 parking prices in most cities.

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Personally, I park in Morrisons for nothing. Never had a ticket. If I ever get one it will be binned; not a council ticket so not enforceable.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14348693

This is not good news for town centres...it is stressful enough and expensive enough traveling into town by car for entertainment, to do business or to shop....this is not good if what we want is to grow our economy, it will make people think twice about traveling if you don't have to....unless like the few who can claim it back on expenses. ;)

My brother works in a fairly deprived town in the North of England and when I visited him at work a while back, the cost of parking in the council pay-and-display was unbelievable. The High Street area of the town looked pretty much zombiefied: charity shops; greasy-spoon cafés; pound shops; bingo-hall in the former theatre etc.

However, a mile or two outside town there is a huge strip-mall complex with cinema and burger restaurants. All with free parking and doing very good business by the look of things.

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They could tax the air next.

Here is how it works, you build a big air tight dome around the city centre and suck out the air. The arguement goes, that we're trying to improve the air quality, as it is so bad. If there is no air = no bad air quality. If you want to go into the town centre you have rent an oxygen tank for £25 per hour.

millennium-dome-aerial-view.jpg

Land prices will collapse in the centre. You as a funny handshaking person buy up all the prime sites for pennies in the pound and wait a decade, and the dome will be lifted when the signal is given.

Is the destruction off town centres a deliberate conspiracy?

Edited by Money Spinner

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Seems like a lot of fuss over very little.

What we are talking about is a charge being imposed on Sundays on a small area around Oxford Street (not exactly 'your local high street') - an area served by dozens of buses and tube services etc. There really is no need or sense or logic to have to drive there and park on the surrounding streets adjacent to one of the busiest shopping areas in the world in the heart of a congested city centre area.

So sorry - no sympathy here. Get the tube or the bus - it ain't that difficult - and if you really must drive then pay for it!

Edited by MRMX9

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Ah yes, but London is full of tw@ts.

Ha ha! Aren't you always saying Cheshire is full of twats! ;)

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