moonriver Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Sarah Beeny forgot to apply for planning permission for her restoration nightmare Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/07/20/sarah-beeny-forgot-to-apply-for-planning-permission-for-her-restoration-nightmare-115875-23282901/#ixzz1SdU5Gcgq SHE’S famous for dishing out harsh criticism to bungling builders, but now property guru Sarah Beeny is set to get a tongue-lashing herself. The TV presenter forgot to apply for proper planning permission on her mansion she renovated for a TV programme – for TEN years. The former convent featured on C4’s Beeny’s Restoration Nightmare where the property developer gave advice to viewers. But Sarah and husband, Graham Swift, didn’t take their own advice – and have had to submit a retrospective application over their use of Rise Hall as a home. Councillor Matthew Grove said: “The ordinary man in the street has to jump through hoops to get even the smallest extension approved. “Yet here we have a listed building being changed, with no planning permission in place, and without anyone batting an eyelid.” The couple bought Grade 2 listed Rise Hall near Hull for £441,101 in 2001 and the series last year showed part of the former convent being turned into a wedding venue. On the venue’s website, Sarah says: “Rise Hall has been our family home for over 10 years and, hopefully, with money from wedding ceremonies, it can still be a family home.” Mr Grove went on: “The programme showed the hall being used for weddings, yet we have yet to see a planning application to use it for that. The couple – who had a run-in with the planning department last year over a new access road – said the hall had never had planning permission and had been a family home in the past. They issued a statement saying: “When Graham Swift and Sarah Beeny bought Rise Hall it had stood empty for 10 years. “It was originally a family home, then used as a convent and school and then once again became a home when Graham and Sarah bought it. In its 200-year history no planning permission for its use has ever been granted. “Graham and Sarah are working with their local authority and the steps that they are taking together are entirely appropriate, considering the building’s past, present and potential future use.” Fans will find out what happens when a second series of Restoration Nightmare, currently being filmed, is screened. Naughty Sarah, not listening to her own advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveAndLetBuy Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 ...Councillor Matthew Grove said: “The ordinary man in the street has to jump through hoops to get even the smallest extension approved... I thought small extensions didn't need planning permission these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I thought small extensions didn't need planning permission these days? Permitted development is 15% I think change of use is different though. Anything that alters the purpose of the house (from home to business) is important. They'll want business rates on it too. http://www.2010.voa.gov.uk/rli/en/basic/find/valuation/2010/11641630000/8193033000 That's the local scout hut. RISE HALL, RISE, HULL, HU11 5BL H RIS033981019 Council tax band H - so no business rates being paid on it. http://www.voa.gov.uk/cti/InitS.asp?lcn=0 Local authority reference number Council Tax band Improvement indicator With effect from Mixed use property Court code RIS033981019 H 20/02/2001 No That's where she's gone wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W1zard Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Damn, is this what very average TV presenters end up living in these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 here we have a council, sees a listed building changed before their very eyes, and does nothing. Yet a man wants to build something on his own land, and they send in the SWAT teams. Shows how much influence a nice rack can have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AteMoose Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 IMHO its a good move, she would have probably been rejected if she had... get a tv show about the revovation then apply and you have cornered the planners... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reck B Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Planning Officer; "I'm sorry Ms Beeney, you'll have to undo the restoration work, put Rise Hall back to the condition it was when you bought and put your planning application through the official lines, like everyone else." Beeney: "ohh, pleeeeease!.....I'll let you touch these...." Planning Officer : "oh ok then." *wobba-lobba-lobba* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Forgot. Yeah, right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I thought small extensions didn't need planning permission these days? I thought Beeney's baps were natural? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmarks Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I thought small extensions didn't need planning permission these days? I think you'll find she has two ample 'extensions'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmarks Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 aha ha ha ah aha aha . . . . Has she boobed? I'll get me coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveAndLetBuy Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Permitted development is 15% ... I realise that Beaney's case is about change of use rather than change of structure, but the councellor was referring to building extensions in his comment. I read somewhere that for say terraced houses you could extend up to 3m from the rear without planning permission (they changed it a few years ago) It varies for the type of property, but I thought they'd removed a lot of the red tape for small extensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I realise that Beaney's case is about change of use rather than change of structure, but the councellor was referring to building extensions in his comment. I read somewhere that for say terraced houses you could extend up to 3m from the rear without planning permission (they changed it a few years ago) It varies for the type of property, but I thought they'd removed a lot of the red tape for small extensions. I would have thought the change of use was the big thing though. She's not paying business rates - http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/HomeAndCommunity/Planning/PlanningPermission/DG_4018203 http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/commonprojects/extensions Can't be bothered reading it - it's very dull. Someone near us has slapped a horrible dormer on that didn't need PP but it's the most disgusting thing ever. It's under construction on google streetview else I'd post a pic of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveAndLetBuy Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I would have thought the change of use was the big thing though. She's not paying business rates - http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/HomeAndCommunity/Planning/PlanningPermission/DG_4018203 http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/commonprojects/extensions Can't be bothered reading it - it's very dull. Someone near us has slapped a horrible dormer on that didn't need PP but it's the most disgusting thing ever. It's under construction on google streetview else I'd post a pic of it. from the second link: Maximum depth of a single-storey rear extension of three metres beyond the rear wall for an attached house and four metres beyond the rear wall for a detached house. Maximum height of a single-storey rear extension of four metres. Maximum depth of a rear extension of more than one storey of three metres beyond the rear wall including ground floor. So I think the councellor's coment was wrong because in fact you don't need planning permission for most small extensions (and yes I'm very bored at work) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 (edited) from the second link: So I think the councellor's coment was wrong because in fact you don't need planning permission for most small extensions (and yes I'm very bored at work) Nowt wrong with being bored at work. Saves you being bored in your own time. I interpreted “Yet here we have a listed building being changed, with no planning permission in place, and without anyone batting an eyelid.” as the change of use... She would need listed building consent ... that's diff from PP and I haven't watched the show to see whether it's mentioned at all. Mr Grove went on: “The programme showed the hall being used for weddings, yet we have yet to see a planning application to use it for that." And that would be the change of use - and paying business rates on it. Edited July 20, 2011 by SarahBell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ader Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 For what it's worth rules for extensions without planning petmission vary from area to area. In sone places it's maximum of 30% of original garden area (excludes areas already used for sheds etc). As mentioned, her problem is more likely change of use. However there might be no real issue if the property has never had any usage exclusions previously specified. Which us what I think Sarah's reply suggests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Most of her work has been "restoration" not "development" so wouldn't require permission. Also schools to wedding venue is probably not change of use - it's all "business". Plus the house has been a residence since before the planning act so it keeps that permission. Of course, I've I known people who "restored" whole wings on a Grade II listed that had fallen into such "disrepair" that it was invisible to the naked eye. They were delighted the day Google updated their aerial image and the evidence of their "restoration" went away. At my advice they also extended their boundary fence to include land of unknown ownership; "some guy in Ireland who's probably dead" was the best they could establish. Two decades later, and no-one has noticed or complained (and it was a multi-acre land-grab!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blobloblob Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Sarah Beeny considering selling mansion after planning row TV property restoration guru Sarah Beeny is considering putting her grade II listed Yorkshire mansion up for sale in a row over planning. The TV star has been engulfed by a series of planning problems with East Riding Council over the development of Rise Hall, near Skirlaugh, East Yorks. Now, with the second series of Beeny's Restoration Nightmare about to begin, as she has revealed she could sell the historic building if the problems are not resolved. Hmm. I wonder if she can 'afford to sell it' for a price someone else is prepared to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juvenal Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Sarah Beeny considering selling mansion after planning row Hmm. I wonder if she can 'afford to sell it' for a price someone else is prepared to pay. There was comment months back on here when Beeney said she would be willing to sell ages ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I thought small extensions didn't need planning permission these days? Not so long ago we got consulted about a planning application. Next-door-but-one had applied to put in a dormer window, so they could turn the loft into a loft room. I was mildly surprised that that had required permission. No objection, just a quiet plea to ask their developers to spare us neighbours from the torture of a ghetto-blaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Bit in the Yorkshire Posy about this. http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at-a-glance/main-section/sarah_beeny_s_tv_restoration_hits_a_pile_of_trouble_1_3875498 Big, listed houses will bleed you to death. I remember reading an article about Rob Hull years ago. During his peak earning years - late 70s I think - he bought a stately home in the late 80s. Property crashed. His TV crashed. He got divorced. Then a tax bill. Ended up only being able to afford a crap cottage with a badly fitted tv aerial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northwestsmith2 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 She got it right, this has nothing to do with the building but it's secondary use as a wedding venue. Retrospective is the right way to go, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RufflesTheGuineaPig Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Sarah Beeny considering selling mansion after planning rowHmm. I wonder if she can 'afford to sell it' for a price someone else is prepared to pay. Who would buy a property which has outstanding planning permission issues? Oh yeah.... an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Humberside Fire And Rescue Service has placed a fire prevention notice on the building prohibiting its use as a public venue. Presumably venues have to meet certain standards. As well as pay business rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redgenieuk Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Planning Officer; "I'm sorry Ms Beeney, you'll have to undo the restoration work, put Rise Hall back to the condition it was when you bought and put your planning application through the official lines, like everyone else." Beeney: "ohh, pleeeeease!.....I'll let you touch these...." [b]Planning Officer [/b]: "oh ok then." *wobba-lobba-lobba* Yeah, ten years ago maybe...... Bribing an officer.... Corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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