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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2014068/Chris-Huhne-Families-face-1k-green-energy.html

Families face punishing increases in energy bills of up to £1,000 a year to fund a switch to green energy and build new nuclear power stations.

Energy Secretary Chris Huhne yesterday outlined a new regime that will encourage firms to build thousands of wind turbines, tidal power stations and nuclear plants.

The scheme is part of a government plan to shift away from fossil fuels, particularly coal, and so dramatically cut carbon emissions to meet UK and EU targets.

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Ministers claim the impact on bills will be £160 a year by 2030, based on the need to spend £110billion on the complete transformation of Britain’s power network.

However, this relies on an assumption that families will cut their annual energy use in the home by 30 per cent over the same period.

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But analysts at the UniCredit bank believe the true cost will be even higher, with energy bills set to rise by around £1,000 a year – to £2,000.

Impressive even for a govt est potentially being out by a factor of 6.

Considering the explosion in consumer electronics this could be very difficult unless we get uber efficient devices. Now I have no problem with these types of targets providing the govt is also legislating on efficient devices ie fridges will only be sold in 2030 which use 40% less electricity than now, if they don't then you can't sell.

However I'm betting that bit is missing from this.

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Why don't we just tell the green lobby to F*** off.

Climates change...that's what they do.

If we f**k up and everyone dies because we mess up the environment, that's fine too, that's evolution at work, that's what it does....kills off the species that don't know how to survive.

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Why don't we just tell the green lobby to F*** off.

Climates change...that's what they do.

If we f**k up and everyone dies because we mess up the environment, that's fine too, that's evolution at work, that's what it does....kills off the species that don't know how to survive.

It isn't just the green lobby - they are the window dressing, Energy security is pretty high on the agenda (but UK government won't admit this the Germans and French will though):

North sea oil and gas is dwindling and the alternative imported sources of Oil and Gas are more expensive (and peak oil...) so the idea i.e. a gentle shift and adaptation away from fossil fuels which will get more expensive. O & G imports are doing nasty thing to the trade balance at the moment, swamping the export led recovereh...

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Thorpe is stuffed to the rafters with reprocessed nuclear fuel... if the government want a secure source of energy they need look no further than Cumbria.

We can either use this stuff to generate electricity or we can keep on storing it....either way it's dangerously radioactive... might as well get some benefit from it IMO.

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It isn't just the green lobby - they are the window dressing, Energy security is pretty high on the agenda (but UK government won't admit this the Germans and French will though):

North sea oil and gas is dwindling and the alternative imported sources of Oil and Gas are more expensive (and peak oil...) so the idea i.e. a gentle shift and adaptation away from fossil fuels which will get more expensive. O & G imports are doing nasty thing to the trade balance at the moment, swamping the export led recovereh...

Yes. The UK government is shy of talking about fuel security, because it might make people realise the world isn't a big happy family where everyone helps each other out and worse still might make them worry that their cosy lives might change.

Don't forget also that the green lobby is now big business, with its own hangers on (carbon traders etc) who all want their cut.

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We already pay a huge annual levy to appease the Oil Lobby. It's called the defense budget. I prefer the Climate Lobby's option better, especially as bombing our way to energy security doesn't seem to work any more, and I'd rather not have my electricity subsidised by dead British soldiers.

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Now I have no problem with these types of targets providing the govt is also legislating on efficient devices ie fridges will only be sold in 2030 which use 40% less electricity than now, if they don't then you can't sell.

However I'm betting that bit is missing from this.

+1.

The majority of Green Taxes have just become stealth taxes. (Brown taxes, as they were called.)

The number of areas where Governments could legislate are legion. For example:

Nokia admit that around two thirds of the energy used by mobile devices is ‘lost’ when chargers are disconnected from the phone but left plugged into the mains. This is known as 'no-load energy consumption'.

“If the more than three billion people owning mobile devices today switched to a four- or five-star charger, this could save the same amount of energy each year as produced by two medium sized power plants,” Nokia claimed in a statement.

Oil and Gas products? Look no further than totally wasteful, instantly disposable packaging. But then you'd have to nobble the supermarkets.

Germany, where the Green Party is strong, has many more laws on packaging than the UK . . . outlawing non-recyclable printing inks, certain coated papers, plastics where card products could be used. (Entire Dutch plant exporters had to repot their plants.)

Consumers can never make this kind of difference. The money will just be collected and spent.

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Impressive even for a govt est potentially being out by a factor of 6.

Considering the explosion in consumer electronics this could be very difficult unless we get uber efficient devices. Now I have no problem with these types of targets providing the govt is also legislating on efficient devices ie fridges will only be sold in 2030 which use 40% less electricity than now, if they don't then you can't sell.

However I'm betting that bit is missing from this.

Is this the same UniCredit which is currently going down the pan faster than a lead turd?

Energy efficiency is often touted as a miracle cure. It isn't, for many reasons. A classic example is with your fridge (or other household electricity consumption) - the energy 'saved' simply means less electric heating of your house, for the 9 or so months of the year that you need heating. So if you save 250W of standby load, then your heating system will have to compensate (for the same house temperature).

Now, if we have 'decarbonised' the electric grid (as in France), the net effect is that instead of using zero-carbon electricity to heat your houe, you use natural gas, and your emissions and fossil fuel usage have gone up.

Even if you have a case where you have an absolute reduction - i.e. buy a more fuel efficient car and do exactly the same number of miles - there are 'gotchas'. You save money by buying less fuel, which you might spend on other, energy using, stuff. Indeed, even if you stick it in the bank, it will be reinvested into 'doing stuff'

of one kind or another; indeed, the more efficiently energy is used, the more uses energy has (Jevon's paradox in a nutshell). If cars did 1 mile per gallon, hardly anyone would use them..

The focus should be on generating lots and lots of zero carbon (i.e. Nuclear, wind, etc) electricity; hence dropping the price right down and making the direct use of fossil fuels comparitively expensive. The 'make electricity ultra plentiful and cheap' policy is probably an easier political sell, as well.

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Why don't we just tell the green lobby to F*** off.

Climates change...that's what they do.

If we f**k up and everyone dies because we mess up the environment, that's fine too, that's evolution at work, that's what it does....kills off the species that don't know how to survive.

Our nuclear power stations are crumbling and need replacing. If no one had ever heard of climate change we would still be due for the bill for shiny new stations. Blaming greens is bogus imo.

What will p1ss me is if they give us a 10 billion bill for smart meters.

Oh polystyrene insulation dry linings have to catch on at some point, that could whack consumption right down if it was compulsory to have it retro fitted everywhere.

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1) will this stop china and India developing along fossil fuel lines?

If yes, OK then

If no, Feck off.

Hundreds of millions of people in India use cow dung as their main fuel source. That doesn't mean we should. True enough, China gets 80% of its energy requirements from domestic coal and it will continue to exploit this resource. However, China is also the single largest investor in green technology and increased investment by 28% to just under $49bn in 2010. The Chinese do what's in China's interest. We should do the same. It's in our interests to reduce our dependence on imported fossil fuels.

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It'll improve the balance of payments in two ways.

1. Less need to import oil and coal.

2. People have less money in their pockets to spend on tat.

All good. Exactly what we need. Cost is not as important as security and economic stability.

Agreed. This article is the usual Wail crap. Without large investments in renewables and nuclear the headline might as well read British Familes to face £999 increase in fuel bills to pay for LNG, coal, oil imports <_<

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Hundreds of millions of people in India use cow dung as their main fuel source. That doesn't mean we should. True enough, China gets 80% of its energy requirements from domestic coal and it will continue to exploit this resource. However, China is also the single largest investor in green technology and increased investment by 28% to just under $49bn in 2010. The Chinese do what's in China's interest. We should do the same. It's in our interests to reduce our dependence on imported fossil fuels.

It has the same ring to it as the Iraq war. "It's all about energy security weapons of mass destruction"

Only in this case it's "all about balance of trade and energy security climate change, the environment and fluffy bunny rabbits"

I don't have any particular issue with the motive.. but sometimes it feels like the people directing the PR are pathological liars. Just say what you mean FFS, we might actually agree with you!

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I like to see where all the green taxes are going like air duty etc.. iam sure Theres more than enough money raised to pay for these ideas.

Black holes.

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Yes. The UK government is shy of talking about fuel security, because it might make people realise the world isn't a big happy family where everyone helps each other out and worse still might make them worry that their cosy lives might change.

Don't forget also that the green lobby is now big business, with its own hangers on (carbon traders etc) who all want their cut.

Yep - Bankers and hedgefunders were straight in there ready for manipulating and conning.

All the World's richest people bought into 'greenery' cheap shares and fledgling companies in the 90's ready for the next big 'con' on the World's proles.

Gates etc the two faced "phi-lanthropist to the poor"

pi & phi are occult - Masonic stuff

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