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I don't need to rely on data, quotes or facts to back up this "feeling". Is it just me or does it really seem as though there has been a very sudden change in public mood and the political "elite" know the game is up? Have the wider public finally "got it" and had enough?

There are so many reasons for dissatisfaction that have been discussed at great length on this forum. But could it be the sudden combination of NOTW? EU socialist state horror stories? Public sector strikes inadvertently waking private sector workers to their own shitty poker hand? EU bail outs? 18% house fuel rises? Liar QE? Out of control immigration? Declining wages? Haves and have nots? The realisation that MPs no longer work for us? The total feeling that we are being ripped off at every turn?

Like many on this site, I do not have a whacking mortgage and I am not in debt. If I had either of these things, I would be in a state of blind fear.

The streets round here are throbbing with a strange tension.. A long, sticky August could make matters interesting.

Anybody else? Just hope I'm not the only one. it's something I have reflected on a lot recently. I'm not afraid to say I'm a little scared of where we are heading but at the same time I could crush a grape.

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The streets round here are throbbing with a strange tension.. A long, sticky August could make matters interesting.

Anybody else? Just hope I'm not the only one. it's something I have reflected on a lot recently. I'm not afraid to say I'm a little scared of where we are heading but at the same time I could crush a grape.

F**k me! I thought you were about to call us onto those throbbing streets! That grape was a real anti-climax.

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I don't need to rely on data, quotes or facts to back up this "feeling". Is it just me or does it really seem as though there has been a very sudden change in public mood and the political "elite" know the game is up? Have the wider public finally "got it" and had enough?

There are so many reasons for dissatisfaction that have been discussed at great length on this forum. But could it be the sudden combination of NOTW? EU socialist state horror stories? Public sector strikes inadvertently waking private sector workers to their own shitty poker hand? EU bail outs? 18% house fuel rises? Liar QE? Out of control immigration? Declining wages? Haves and have nots? The realisation that MPs no longer work for us? The total feeling that we are being ripped off at every turn?

Like many on this site, I do not have a whacking mortgage and I am not in debt. If I had either of these things, I would be in a state of blind fear.

The streets round here are throbbing with a strange tension.. A long, sticky August could make matters interesting.

Anybody else? Just hope I'm not the only one. it's something I have reflected on a lot recently. I'm not afraid to say I'm a little scared of where we are heading but at the same time I could crush a grape.

I know what you mean. There is fear out there, i work in IT in the City (NOT FOR A BANK!!!) and the sales types are starting to sound desperate, people i work with are scared.

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I don't need to rely on data, quotes or facts to back up this "feeling". Is it just me or does it really seem as though there has been a very sudden change in public mood and the political "elite" know the game is up? Have the wider public finally "got it" and had enough?

There are so many reasons for dissatisfaction that have been discussed at great length on this forum. But could it be the sudden combination of NOTW? EU socialist state horror stories? Public sector strikes inadvertently waking private sector workers to their own shitty poker hand? EU bail outs? 18% house fuel rises? Liar QE? Out of control immigration? Declining wages? Haves and have nots? The realisation that MPs no longer work for us? The total feeling that we are being ripped off at every turn?

Like many on this site, I do not have a whacking mortgage and I am not in debt. If I had either of these things, I would be in a state of blind fear.

The streets round here are throbbing with a strange tension.. A long, sticky August could make matters interesting.

Anybody else? Just hope I'm not the only one. it's something I have reflected on a lot recently. I'm not afraid to say I'm a little scared of where we are heading but at the same time I could crush a grape.

Wishful thinking.

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Yeah! baby! yeah!

A mixture of disgruntlement, disgust and sheer dismay at the antics exposed over the past year's

by mp,s police and press has removed the final layer of gloss on our corrupt and

greedy society....hope it now burns!!!

Then maybe some freedom, truth and real fairness will arise from the ashes.

Edited by brassed off brit

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I don't need to rely on data, quotes or facts to back up this "feeling". Is it just me or does it really seem as though there has been a very sudden change in public mood and the political "elite" know the game is up? Have the wider public finally "got it" and had enough?

There are so many reasons for dissatisfaction that have been discussed at great length on this forum. But could it be the sudden combination of NOTW? EU socialist state horror stories? Public sector strikes inadvertently waking private sector workers to their own shitty poker hand? EU bail outs? 18% house fuel rises? Liar QE? Out of control immigration? Declining wages? Haves and have nots? The realisation that MPs no longer work for us? The total feeling that we are being ripped off at every turn?

Like many on this site, I do not have a whacking mortgage and I am not in debt. If I had either of these things, I would be in a state of blind fear.

The streets round here are throbbing with a strange tension.. A long, sticky August could make matters interesting.

Anybody else? Just hope I'm not the only one. it's something I have reflected on a lot recently. I'm not afraid to say I'm a little scared of where we are heading but at the same time I could crush a grape.

Nah, Cheryl's getting back with Ashley. Get with the programme. And don't be a drama queen!

Edited by Shotoflight

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Anybody else? Just hope I'm not the only one. it's something I have reflected on a lot recently. I'm not afraid to say I'm a little scared of where we are heading but at the same time I could crush a grape.

I also believed some cathartic moment was on the horizon when the merry-go-round would stop, when the chaos would slow, when the chips would fall, and when the retribution was to be meted out. I was convinced 2008 had signaled its arrival. I was very naive, and very wrong.

Its frustrating and hard to accept, but the seductive dream that the madness, lies, and boundless human stupidity will ever stop is a false one.

Don't make the mistake of waiting. Life is happening right now, and this is what it looks like.

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I also believed some cathartic moment was on the horizon when the merry-go-round would stop, when the chaos would slow, when the chips would fall, and when the retribution was to be meted out. I was convinced 2008 had signaled its arrival. I was very naive, and very wrong.

Its frustrating and hard to accept, but the seductive dream that the madness, lies, and boundless human stupidity will ever stop is a false one.

Don't make the mistake of waiting. Life is happening right now, and this is what it looks like.

LIAR MERRY-GO-ROUND......

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Edited by eric pebble

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I also believed some cathartic moment was on the horizon when the merry-go-round would stop, when the chaos would slow, when the chips would fall, and when the retribution was to be meted out. I was convinced 2008 had signaled its arrival. I was very naive, and very wrong.

Its frustrating and hard to accept, but the seductive dream that the madness, lies, and boundless human stupidity will ever stop is a false one.

Don't make the mistake of waiting. Life is happening right now, and this is what it looks like.

Problem is, at the moment there is nothing for the discontent to gather around.

The labour party has been completely co-opted - witness a supposedly 'Red Ed' being completely unable to support strikers, or offer any real criticism. Or Gordon Brown's 'Light touch' regulation, and terror of being seen to nationalize even things that desperately need nationalising - banks, railways, etc.. Anyone who regards the labour party as socialist really, really doesn't understand what socialist means..

The unions are nowadays practically absent from the Private sector, being essentially worker's reps for the public sector.

So for the majority of people, there is no political movement that aligns with their interests or the discontent that they feel. Hence the lack of focus, for now.

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I see contrary signals.

The general worry is definitely there with everyone watching the pennies. Our bar takings are well down and restaurant sporadics disappeared with mostly special occasion meals rather than our regulars.

Hotel stays are well up (June take was strongest month since Sep 2008).

The trends hide the details which affect us all as individuals.

Despite general gradual falls in price and very low sales volumes the number one house we are watching has gone SSTC today. :angry:

Hopefully it will fall through but there is little else we are interested in.

Money now going to pay off business mortgage despite interest rate effectively only 1.6%.

Its a peace of mind thing.

Cannot see the falling markets as a good thing. Will soon im-act on business.

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Apparently the viewing figures for Coronation Street and Eastenders are down. Maybe more people are living in the real world and realising what a mess it is?

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I also believed some cathartic moment was on the horizon when the merry-go-round would stop, when the chaos would slow, when the chips would fall, and when the retribution was to be meted out. I was convinced 2008 had signaled its arrival. I was very naive, and very wrong.

Well there's been a wave of revolution across the Islamic world that equals then exceeds what happened in 1989-91 in intensity, a black guy has become POTUS, the UK establishment is started to turn on itself, we're heading into a double dip depression and people seem more aware of what's happening to them. Things are not moving as fast we like, but its moving.

Edited by Big Orange

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Well there's been a wave of revolution across the Islamic world that equals then exceeds what happened in 1989-91 in intensity, a black guy has become POTUS, the UK establishment is started to turn on itself, we're heading into a double dip depression and people seem more aware of what's happening to them. Things are not moving as fast we like, but its moving.

Yes, but what is Cheryl Cole up to?

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Wishful thinking.

i agree - i haven't noticed any change - i know my colleagues are interested by the hacking scandal- but i wouldn't say there has been a change- in gerenal this week in london, everything appears as it did the week before and the week before and probably as it will next week as well- i'm just sayin.......

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Times are hard and society is fragmented.

People are keeping the head down and trying to stay below the radar.

Your workmate gets laid off, you keep shtum in case you're next.

Nobody knows their neighbour, and they'll be damned if they'll help a stranger.

Unless there is some issue for folks to rally around, there will be no revolution.

We are divided, and they have conquered. Welcome to the modern form of serfdom.

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I also believed some cathartic moment was on the horizon when the merry-go-round would stop, when the chaos would slow, when the chips would fall, and when the retribution was to be meted out. I was convinced 2008 had signaled its arrival. I was very naive, and very wrong.

Its frustrating and hard to accept, but the seductive dream that the madness, lies, and boundless human stupidity will ever stop is a false one.

Don't make the mistake of waiting. Life is happening right now, and this is what it looks like.

"This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

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i agree - i haven't noticed any change - i know my colleagues are interested by the hacking scandal- but i wouldn't say there has been a change- in gerenal this week in london, everything appears as it did the week before and the week before and probably as it will next week as well- i'm just sayin.......

London and surrounding area is the main beneficiary of QE and low rates - outweighing the backdraft of inflation - elsewhere the opposite is in effect.

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I think a lot of people expected QE, stimulus packages, SMI etc (and a change of govt) to have all made everything fine again by now. The penny is dropping however that we have only scratched the surface of the problem and all the measures taken in 08 / 09 created a false down in '10 that is now unravelling. If all that's failed, what else is there that can be done? People are IMO just waking up to how serious a mess this country is in (and still only a minority connect that to the boom in house prices).

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I've noticed a lot of people moaning about how expensive everything has become, and I'm absolutely convinced that people are driving a little less and a little more slowly.

A few green shoots of 'well it couldn't last' also appear to be sprouting and even people I would regard as financially illiterate understand that inflation is killing people's savings and pay rises.

Personally, I think we will have our HPC soon. Not an immense one, but something like -10 to -15% YoY seems likely to me.

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Personally, I think we will have our HPC soon. Not an immense one, but something like -10 to -15% YoY seems likely to me.

Given that we are leaving a flop of a peak selling season, things are shaping up for an interesting few months.

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So for the majority of people, there is no political movement that aligns with their interests or the discontent that they feel. Hence the lack of focus, for now.

the current govt are hoping the focus will be on honest productive work which will lead us out of the mess

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London and surrounding area is the main beneficiary of QE and low rates - outweighing the backdraft of inflation - elsewhere the opposite is in effect.

indeed

I think people are simply feeling inflation and limited jobs

I know quite a few people whose lives have been really affected over the past 4 years or so, and really, having an income at all is more relevant than your mortgage aspirations; I think the biggest change has been that among the previously untouchable public sector, the penny is finally dropping that they are in it with the rest of us...just

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London and surrounding area is the main beneficiary of QE and low rates - outweighing the backdraft of inflation - elsewhere the opposite is in effect.

+1.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011/jul/13/households-financial-difficulty

More than 3 million households are in financial difficulty and a further 3 million are financially vulnerable, according to research for debt charity the Consumer Credit Counselling Service.

Its report, Debt and household incomes, paints a grim picture of the financial difficulties faced by about one tenth of the UK population, including more than 1 million people struggling to pay their mortgage.

It found that 3.2 million households are either three months behind with a debt repayment or are subject to some form of debt action such as insolvency. Another 3 million are finding it hard to make ends meet and are vulnerable to increases in household bills.

More at the link.

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