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I should make it clear if I ever comment on the 'Sheeple' I am commenting on the property 'sheeple' only.

I think it is useful simple word to explain what we are dealing with. All of us are 'sheeple' when it comes to other things in this World. Nobody is immune. I would have no issue with someone describing me as 'sheeple' due to an ignorance I have of some other subject.

Nobody can know everything.

Isn't it a bit pointless then? (it's certainly going to make a very dull Venn diagram).

Really no offence meant, but it just sounds like a way of being smug. I take your point about how you use it (and I understand why that could be seen as acceptable on a site specifically devoted to house prices), but many on this site use it to imply a much less balanced critique.

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Isn't it a bit pointless then? (it's certainly going to make a very dull Venn diagram).

Really no offence meant, but it just sounds like a way of being smug. I take your point about how you use it (and I understand why that could be seen as acceptable on a site specifically devoted to house prices), but many on this site use it to imply a much less balanced critique.

I think it is a great description. Says it all in one simple word. We are talking abuot people who, when it comes to proeprty in the UK, act like sheep.

I see no harm in it at all. If you just used 'The general public' instead or something similar ? Well I don't think that would be fair on the general public. As a good deal of the general public do get the situation. We are describing a certain type of member of the general public here. Those who blindly followed on with what everyone else was doing, just like sheep, because they were told to. Whilst many others stood aside and thought 'Something very wrong going on here'.

I think sheeple is a little easier to use than the bove phrase.

I think the word 'sheeple' says as much about the user as the target to be honest.

It says there are a body of people who are there to be shawn.

Not necessarily that there exist people who are weak, stupid, easily led, disinterested - but how they should actually be treated. Should they be protected or should they be exploited?

Using the word 'sheeple' seems to indicate they are there for the taking and more fool them.

No - it indicates these particular people acted like sheep when it came to property in the UK. It is entirely correct.

I really don't see the problem with it.

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There is nothing wrong with the phrase. It just betrays an attitude of mind to a particular group.

Its use wouldn't tend to suggest that one would not want to help them in any way. It is a derogatory term that indicates their inferiority to the user.

So? People aren't equal. It's sometimes perfectly valid for one person to direct derogatory terms at another group of people. For example, I can't complain if anyone labels me with some term meaning lazy miserable git. Cheerful active people are probably right to look down at me from that point of view, although I'd counteract that by arguing that anyone not miserable and depressed is out of touch with reality :)

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There is nothing wrong with the phrase. It just betrays an attitude of mind to a particular group.

Its use wouldn't tend to suggest that one would not want to help them in any way. It is a derogatory term that indicates their inferiority to the user.

As below. There is nothing wrong with a derogatory term if it is justified and true. Many people, when it came to UK property in the past few years, have been complete class 'A' idiots. Why exactly should we not point that out ? Personally I think it is a good thing.

I was an idiot for dipping my toes into spread betting when I really didn't have a clue what I was doing and thought it would be 'easy money'.

If there are some expert market traders on some other forum now describing me as some sort of sheeple and an idiot for this ? Fair enough. I agree with them 100%.

So? People aren't equal. It's sometimes perfectly valid for one person to direct derogatory terms at another group of people. For example, I can't complain if anyone labels me with some term meaning lazy miserable git. Cheerful active people are probably right to look down at me from that point of view, although I'd counteract that by arguing that anyone not miserable and depressed is out of touch with reality :)

Totally agree.

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I think the word 'sheeple' says as much about the user as the target to be honest.

It says there are a body of people who are there to be shawn.

Not necessarily that there exist people who are weak, stupid, easily led, disinterested - but how they should actually be treated. Should they be protected or should they be exploited?

Using the word 'sheeple' seems to indicate they are there for the taking and more fool them.

It depends on the user, many people on here are not out to sheer anyone and if the SHEEPLE listened then they would be less likely prey themselves. As it is, some people just do not want to wake up, The type of people who I would describe as sheeple are

- people who repeat phrases through the osmosis of media; "five a day", "too far too fast", "taking six billion out of the economy", "you can't lose with property" even without understanding them

- would appear in a typical question time audience

- hold many cognitive dissonances

- accept news without proof, cannot use critical thinking

- believe anything that a politician says

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In this instance, doesn't "greedy" = those people not prepared to accept less than their perceived "market value" of their property (and not a penny less), even though they only paid £30k for it 30 years ago?

Depends on what their 'perceived market value' is. If it's the same as summer 07 'value' or even more, then I'd agree with you.

If it's reasonable compared with sold prices of local similar, and they need to buy another property, then what they paid for it X years previously is irrelevant.

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If you are going to have currency and credit issued by a specially licensed select few whos one single purpose for having the advantage of license is the efficient allocation of Capital, it is simply not the borrowers fault, it is the allocator of Capitals fault, its the only thing they are being paid for. People tend to be a bit crap at finance (blame schooling for that) unless they are sad enough to have a genuine interest in it. Yes they have to live with the decision but its not really their fault, they dont whine any more than the savers on here who in reality were equally stupid to give the banks their money to lend (not that the systems gives much choice)

House prices are especially emotive because you cant be excluded from them, with the rent laws in the UK people were unsuprisingly rash driven by fear as much as greed, and do some research? 90% of the research from academia in the highest quarters and 100% from TV was telling people to pile in.

In reality Bankers and politicians should be doing porridge, instead the popn were prepared to bail out one lot and reelect half the other lot, thats what they deserve blame for

^^ This.

Except when I read MSE, which turns me into a foaming-mouthed misanthrope. Today's trigger:

Does any one know how to get out of the hell of being stuck in the 'bad' side of northern rock mortgages ?? we cant transfer our £900,000 mortgage and are being held to ransome at a ridiculous 5.8 % overall , Iam really worried about my partner as he is beginning to crack under the pressure , our buisiness' have taken a knock ( we're in property ) and so we are just making our ppayments by the skin of our teeth each month , but dont know how much longer we can go on ! we just want to transfer the mortgage or get a better % repayment plan , it makes me sick to see what new clients get offered these days , but have been completely screwed with no way to turn apart from try and make the payments each month , we feel so trapped and stand to loose a lot if we 'fold'

any ideas any one ?? PLEEEEAASE!!!!!

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I have come to the conclusion that there should be much more regulation not less...even down to how interest is calculated, what products may be sold and offered and for what benefits to the target consumers. That profit margins are strictly regulated (such as the exhorbitant levels on PPI).

I actually think the people working at the companies themselves would also like to go down this route, because without it, the competitive imperative becomes too powerful in pushing behaviour the wrong way.

I have worked in financial services for 15 years and I take the opposite view.

Ten years ago you could ask a financial professional for advice and they would freely give it to you. Of course it was not always good advice, but on the whole it was coming from someone who knew the market and if you could judge the character of the advisor, it was helpful information.

These days the provision of advice or anything that could be argued is advice is so highly regulated that the cost of providing advice is beyond the budget of any but the better off. So these days the less wealthy instead of getting advice, be that advice either poor or good, get nothing.

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I know - I hate it when these t*ssers say 'loose'.

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we feel so trapped and stand to loose a lot if we 'fold'

any ideas any one ?? PLEEEEAASE!!!!

Surely someone on here who is also a member of that wretched forum can offer a constructive suggestion to that newbie? :D

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Just look at the property porn and other bile the media have churned out for nearly a decade. This is like a giant window into the population's psyche and their warped values. I'd propose to you that the media have one role and one role only: to create a platform for advertisers that accurately reflects and targets the values, hopes and fears of the audience. They do this incredibly well for the most part, because it's the basis for their existence.

And that's before we've even considered the sins of omission on behalf of ordinary people and the media, where the criminality (LIAR LOANS) and deleterious effects of the housing boom on society have been ignored.

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The role of the media in democracies is ... central, vital! How can the shee... OK, I'll rephrase that... No, it is not a matter of rephrasing it: Actually, without a good press people ARE sheeple. Think of the China Daily, Pravda, Cuban.. something, etc. Most people in those countries ARE turned into sheeple. In this bubble, regarding properties, the UK people were sheeppled.

Yes, the private media may have commercial pressures, but what about the fecking BBC? Isn't the fee supposed to free them from these things? Isn't that their main "raison d'(fecking)être ?!

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The role of the media in democracies is ... central, vital! How can the shee... OK, I'll rephrase that... No, it is not a matter of rephrasing it: Actually, without a good press people ARE sheeple. Think of the China Daily, Pravda, Cuban.. something, etc. Most people in those countries ARE turned into sheeple. In this bubble, regarding properties, the UK people were sheeppled.

Yes, the private media may have commercial pressures, but what about the fecking BBC? Isn't the fee supposed to free them from these things? Isn't that their main "raison d'(fecking)être ?!

the media is the fundamental mental driver of any maturing bubble, it has to be and always will be, you cant have a bubble without the media getting involved on the bull side, the only way the shoeshine boy can know is through the media, a bubble needs maximum participation which requires maximum exposure, the media reflects the masses, the masses reflect the media, the bbc are media, that is their bread and butter, the head of BBC has to reflect majority public interest in programming, they wouldnt last very long with an audience of 1, their job is to put bums on seats like all media, why the hell should or would they be different

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the media is the fundamental mental driver of any maturing bubble, it has to be and always will be, you cant have a bubble without the media getting involved on the bull side, the only way the shoeshine boy can know is through the media, a bubble needs maximum participation which requires maximum exposure, the media reflects the masses, the masses reflect the media, the bbc are media, that is their bread and butter, the head of BBC has to reflect majority public interest in programming, they wouldnt last very long with an audience of 1, their job is to put bums on seats like all media, why the hell should or would they be different

Because the only justification for the obligatory license fee is competent and impartial service.

You have described perfectly the commercial media. But the BBC was supposed to be different. They were not. Therefore, their existence has lost any justification.

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Because the only justification for the obligatory license fee is competent and impartial service.

You have described perfectly the commercial media. But the BBC was supposed to be different. They were not. Therefore, their existence has lost any justification.

Cbeebies is pretty impartial I find.

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Fair cop.

I actually prefer the word "t*ssers" to sheeple. Can we use that instead? :)

Fire away. I think I am a bit of both so please be gentle.

With the sentiment, or that I'm a lazy, miserable git? Or both?

Erm. All the above ? I will have to take your word for the last two bits.

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On the 'poor sheeple' point ; they have to suffer as a consequence of their actions. Personal responsibility. If being stupid and consuming the wealth of others has no cost, there will be no benefit to wealth creation, and no wealth will be created. Then what are we all going to eat?

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Except when I read MSE, which turns me into a foaming-mouthed misanthrope. Today's trigger:

Does any one know how to get out of the hell of being stuck in the 'bad' side of northern rock mortgages ?? we cant transfer our £900,000 mortgage and are being held to ransome at a ridiculous 5.8 % overall , Iam really worried about my partner as he is beginning to crack under the pressure , our buisiness' have taken a knock ( we're in property ) and so we are just making our ppayments by the skin of our teeth each month , but dont know how much longer we can go on ! we just want to transfer the mortgage or get a better % repayment plan , it makes me sick to see what new clients get offered these days , but have been completely screwed with no way to turn apart from try and make the payments each month , we feel so trapped and stand to loose a lot if we 'fold'

any ideas any one ?? PLEEEEAASE!!!!!

Is it wrong for me to sit here laughing at their "suffering"?

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Is it wrong for me to sit here laughing at their "suffering"?

No but when you get a mortgage make sure it's a life time tracker. Make sure you have learned the right lesson. And if you think I'm wrong have a think about some more.

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