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Interestingly I got a job application from an individidual who works in the Health and Safety Executive.

The package that he was on was £10k more than we offer our engineers and that's before the final salary pension. Needless to say, the deal he was on was very good. The bureaucracy was doing this person's head in though.

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Interestingly I got a job application from an individidual who works in the Health and Safety Executive.

The package that he was on was £10k more than we offer our engineers and that's before the final salary pension. Needless to say, the deal he was on was very good. The bureaucracy was doing this person's head in though.

And could you simply give all your staff a payrise?

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schools provide free education (and child minding) Health service provides free health care. . . . . just take these two services away and the private sector struggles. you're welcome to my contempt and 'low service'.

free?

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As said, this is an effect of outsourcing all the minimum wage jobs like dinner ladies, road sweeping and refuse collection to pribic companies. What's the figure for the average wage in the true private sector compared with wages wholly funded by public sector money. I bet the second one would be lower.

With what's left you're just finding teachers, policemen and doctors get paid more than you'd get on the till at tesco's, well, durrrr...........

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free?

And you think your taxes would be cut accordingly when the tories introduce more pirateisation ? :rolleyes:

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If you are a teacher or a doctor or the like you have guaranteed employment for life. By contrast, the private sector worker will suffer periods of unemployment and will be kicked out when he ages. Thus comparing public sector wages with those in the private sector is inaccurate since it only compares with those private sector workers currently in employment.

To achieve the same income security, the private sector worker would have to buy some kind of insurance policy to guarantee his income. The cost of this should be added to the benefits package enjoyed by the public sector worker.

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schools provide free education (and child minding) Health service provides free health care. . . . . just take these two services away and the private sector struggles. you're welcome to my contempt and 'low service'.

I utilise private school, private healthcare and commute to work on a bicycle. I want a refund for not accepting your "low service" (though I don't think I will have much of a choice about the contempt part)

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And you think your taxes would be cut accordingly when the tories introduce more pirateisation ? :rolleyes:

you're a fool, and your mask is so loosely on that you are admitting you believe in theft, you scumbag

the only difference between now and 2 years ago is that nobody is listening to such inane leftwing self-serving gobsh***

money doesn't grow on trees

and indeed the tories DO have a record of cutting taxes after their reforms have worked

boo hoo the piggies are sqealing

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I was just looking at a train driver job (Scotrail - I thought it was public sector but it's private - you'll see why I was shocked): £37k after 2-3 years, 75% off rail fares, contributory final salary pension (what happens if Scotrail goes t!ts up in that case?) and a range of other benefits... Couldn't believe it when I read it. Why am I doing electronics!?

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I was just looking at a train driver job (Scotrail - I thought it was public sector but it's private - you'll see why I was shocked): £37k after 2-3 years, 75% off rail fares, contributory final salary pension (what happens if Scotrail goes t!ts up in that case?) and a range of other benefits... Couldn't believe it when I read it. Why am I doing electronics!?

I agree although being a private company atleast one can say it is a market price.

Problem is while you do a skilled job, it's something that can be done elsewhere in the world,

a Chinese man sat in a factory in Shenzen can't drive that train..... yet

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I was just looking at a train driver job (Scotrail - I thought it was public sector but it's private - you'll see why I was shocked): £37k after 2-3 years, 75% off rail fares, contributory final salary pension (what happens if Scotrail goes t!ts up in that case?) and a range of other benefits... Couldn't believe it when I read it. Why am I doing electronics!?

railway companies are heavily publicly funded these days with national pay bargaining etc

combination of taxpayers funding and unions = you guessed it

they are heavily unionised and this is all coming to an end under current govt, it is not at all clear that these great benefits will be maintained:

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you're a fool, and your mask is so loosely on that you are admitting you believe in theft, you scumbag

the only difference between now and 2 years ago is that nobody is listening to such inane leftwing self-serving gobsh***

money doesn't grow on trees

and indeed the tories DO have a record of cutting taxes after their reforms have worked

boo hoo the piggies are sqealing

No need for ad-hominem attacks, your mask is slipping. . . . .

No squealing here pal, my skills are easily transferrable to your 'wonderful' private sector and if the need arises I'll make sure I charge accordingly.;)

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I utilise private school, private healthcare and commute to work on a bicycle. I want a refund for not accepting your "low service" (though I don't think I will have much of a choice about the contempt part)

Private school and health care suggests a well above average salary which not everyone has access to. I believe everyone deserves an opportunity not just those who can afford it.

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Problem is while you do a skilled job, it's something that can be done elsewhere in the world,

a Chinese man sat in a factory in Shenzen can't drive that train..... yet

Exactly... scary...

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And could you simply give all your staff a payrise?

Nice idea apart from our clients have been squeezing our rates ever since the recession (most of them being manuafacturing companies). If I put my rates up by the amount I'd have to then my **** would not hit floor on the way out. This being the fundamental problem between public and private sector. I can only pay what the market will pay. If I try to buck the trend then I'll be out of business.

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Private school and health care suggests a well above average salary which not everyone has access to. I believe everyone deserves an opportunity not just those who can afford it.

I once read per capita private education is cheaper than state schooling,

Problem is we as a nation can't afford the public sector in it's current guise

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Nice idea apart from our clients have been squeezing our rates ever since the recession (most of them being manuafacturing companies). If I put my rates up by the amount I'd have to then my **** would not hit floor on the way out. This being the fundamental problem between public and private sector. I can only pay what the market will pay. If I try to buck the trend then I'll be out of business.

It's not rocket science is it, why don't people get this?

Perhaps they are so cossetted in their world, real world scenarios are something they don't understand.

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I once read per capita private education is cheaper than state schooling,

Problem is we as a nation can't afford the public sector in it's current guise

I would invite some of the teachers on the board to either verify or dispell your assumption since you only once read it.

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Private school and health care suggests a well above average salary which not everyone has access to. I believe everyone deserves an opportunity not just those who can afford it.

Private education and healthcare can be as cheap or as expensive as we like. What you must understand is that the state provided service usually comes with legislation which acts as a barrier to entry to any private provider aiming to come in at the bottom end of the market. i.e. that the state provision is always bottom end. Where a public service exists, it is very difficult for a private provider to come in lower and therefore cheaper. You think this is because private provision is always more expensive, and use it to justify the status quo. The truth is that public provision of any good makes that good more expensive.

Read about Ragged Schools. Philanthropic schools set up to educate chronically poor working class kids in the 19th century. There is one near me, it was basically a shed, some benches and a blackboard. It taught kids how to read, write, do sums and some stuff about the bible. The trick was though it was dead cheap, dead cheap because there was no fee paying capacity from the parents, and dead cheap because the folks who ran it were philanthropists spending their own money. Even if these philanthropists had access to our technology, I doubt they would be stuffing the classrooms with ergonomically designed furniture etc...

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I would invite some of the teachers on the board to either verify or dispell your assumption since you only once read it.

Yes, I agree, problem is subjective as while private school results are better, one could say it is more expensive educating kids from all other areas of the population. Still, having tried to find recent articles most say private is marginally cheaper.

There isn't much in it and my point is while there is always a need for public sector services let's not pretend they all offer superb value

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Yes, I agree, problem is subjective as while private school results are better, one could say it is more expensive educating kids from all other areas of the population. Still, having tried to find recent articles most say private is marginally cheaper.

There isn't much in it and my point is while there is always a need for public sector services let's not pretend they all offer superb value

The variables that effect public education may well have a bearing on results and likewise with private. ie anyone paying for private ed are more likely to take an active role in their off springs education and there are unlikely to be kids attending from the local 'slum' who have reduced support at home.

I wasn't pretending they all offer 'superb' value but I do feel the majority offer acceptable, decent value.

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No need for ad-hominem attacks, your mask is slipping. . . . .

No squealing here pal, my skills are easily transferrable to your 'wonderful' private sector and if the need arises I'll make sure I charge accordingly.;)

hardly when I've been this abusive for years mate, I don't think I ever had a mask, just a lack of courtesy to those that recommend thievery

your logical justification for public services being free then (and therefore the whole high salary and pension overhead apparently not existing) is apparently that those taxes would be taken anyway, presumably there isno debt/deficit, and anyway you could move to the private sector instead

my a.h. is logical by comparison

but then there is no logic to 'red socialism' (as apart from the liberal-left of labour), it is all about V.I. pickpockets

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The variables that effect public education may well have a bearing on results and likewise with private. ie anyone paying for private ed are more likely to take an active role in their off springs education and there are unlikely to be kids attending from the local 'slum' who have reduced support at home.

I wasn't pretending they all offer 'superb' value but I do feel the majority offer acceptable, decent value.

Headmasters/mistresses being paid more than the PM for running a school isn't my idea of acceptable decent value I am afraid

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Headmasters/mistresses being paid more than the PM for running a school isn't my idea of acceptable decent value I am afraid

I'm sure it is for them - after all tax is actually free (or something like that)

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