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Holland is a bit of a seperate case as they have a lot of nationalist voters who vote for Geert Wilders (known for fierce criticism for Islam).

This opposition to Eastern European benefits seekers (also will apply to British benefit seekers in Holland) smacks of a policy with influence from Wilders.

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this news is significant in that it comes from one of the most europhile countries in the EU

Holland may seem Europhile but it's as nationalistic as any. Holland, like many other countries, does circumvent EU rules, and local laws effectively override what EU 'citizen's rights' are supposed to be. I lived there for a few years with a Russian wife (in law an EU citizen by marriage) and encountered quite a few prejudices and obstacles.

The 'learning the language thing' - inburgering - has been in place for nearly ten years now.

It's another feature of the EU . . . it works when things are all going swimmingly. In difficult times, countries will stand and fight their own corner. Can't say I blame the Dutch. Again, it's another case of 'one size doesn't fit all' EU legislation. Can't think of many Dutch people who want freedom of movement to work in Romania or Latvia.

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Holland may seem Europhile but it's as nationalistic as any. Holland, like many other countries, does circumvent EU rules, and local laws effectively override what EU 'citizen's rights' are supposed to be. I lived there for a few years with a Russian wife (in law an EU citizen by marriage) and encountered quite a few prejudices and obstacles.

The 'learning the language thing' - inburgering - has been in place for nearly ten years now.

It's another feature of the EU . . . it works when things are all going swimmingly. In difficult times, countries will stand and fight their own corner. Can't say I blame the Dutch. Again, it's another case of 'one size doesn't fit all' EU legislation. Can't think of many Dutch people who want freedom of movement to work in Romania or Latvia.

This EU collapse sure is getting exciting; better than any movie I've ever seen. It's good that times are bad, for then one knows who their friends really are.

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The Dutch have some cahones.

The recently penned a bill which would ban the practice of Halal and Kosher slaughter.

If your balcony and barbecue was under a balcony above where a little ritual slaughter was going on, you'd be quite in favour of this.

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If your balcony and barbecue was under a balcony above where a little ritual slaughter was going on, you'd be quite in favour of this.

Hear hear!!

It is high time that other non-balcony compatible practices such as dis-robing or even making the "beast with two backs" were banned.

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Holland may seem Europhile but it's as nationalistic as any. Holland, like many other countries

Holland isn't a country - its an area within The Netherlands.

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As I understand it the EU law on inter EU migration they are just starting to actively follow the rules.

a full summary can be found here

http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/justice_freedom_security/free_movement_of_persons_asylum_immigration/l33152_en.htm

I researched this when I myself moved to the UK -( am an Italian national but was born and raised in Holland ) in 2000 and I always wondered how the UK was enforcing this ... as I never had to register anywhere.

In short

upto 3 months

no special requirement other then having a valid passport

Longer then 3 months

You need to be economically self sufficient ie no burden on the member state you moved to

Permanent residency

only applicable after 5 years ( eg you become a local and will have the same rights but can rescinded if you do something dodgy )

So this leaves a gap - between 3 months and 5 years - and its here the Dutch are planning on applying the rules more strictly of course the werent happy as there exported unemployment will now come home so they are considering legal action .. ( http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2011/05/14/polen-stapt-naar-rechter-bij-uitzetting-werkloze-polen-uit-nederland/ for those of you who can read Ducth )

To be honest I have no idea why this hasnt happened earlier guess in the good times it doesnt matter .. but I do know the UK is fooked as they do not have any form of registration for EU immigrants.

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I researched this when I myself moved to the UK -( am an Italian national but was born and raised in Holland )

Good heavens! Your English is fantastic for a person not born in the UK, with only very minor mistakes in your post and frankly better than most of us could write. Why is the British education system so poor that so many Britons would struggle to match a foreign person's standard of English literacy...? sigh

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Can't think of many Dutch people who want freedom of movement to work in Romania or Latvia.

Maybe, but I wouldn't want to work in most of Scotland, Wales or cities like Liverpool or Birmingham (or my home town Bradford for that matter). The UK is a transfer union much like the EU and as a whole the EU economy gains from freedom of movement of people, trade and capital.

It works.

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Why is the British education system so poor that so many Britons would struggle to match a foreign person's standard of English literacy...? sigh

In Swedens case its because the educational system cannot afford to translate reading material into Swedish so all lessons are in English, Swedish is the second language in effect. Holland has an even greater need to speak a language their customers speak, being a nation of traders as they are.

When did anyone in the UK NEED to speak Dutch?

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In Swedens case its because the educational system cannot afford to translate reading material into Swedish so all lessons are in English, Swedish is the second language in effect. Holland has an even greater need to speak a language their customers speak, being a nation of traders as they are.

When did anyone in the UK NEED to speak Dutch?

I learn something new every day, as they say, very interesting if hard to believe regarding the Swedish system

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English is an easy language to learn in my opinion the rules are straightforward only the idiom is enormous ( which you can use to be a pretentious bore if you want.)

What happens with kids now a days is that they don't read so they end up with a limited idiom which means they speak like 8 year olds .. I saw this live in action with my step kids with the girl at 14 accusing me of making up words. Oh joy..

Aside from that I am 1 of these lucky people that just picks a language if submerged in it for long enough and the language has reference to other languages I already know. this because I was bilingual from a young age.

So no big deal :)

As for the Dutch well people have taken the piss for to long so now they had enough .. Small example of the sort of thing they are having to deal with is Rotterdam once biggest port in the world pride of Dutch Calvinist hard work being one off the first Major city's in the EU having more ( or nearly not sure ) foreigners living in it then Dutch people.

Now imagine same happening here with Liverpool or Manchester .. There is no bigger recruitment agent for the far right then something like that.

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As for the Dutch well people have taken the piss for to long so now they had enough .. Small example of the sort of thing they are having to deal with is Rotterdam once biggest port in the world pride of Dutch Calvinist hard work being one off the first Major city's in the EU having more ( or nearly not sure ) foreigners living in it then Dutch people.

Now imagine same happening here with Liverpool or Manchester .. There is no bigger recruitment agent for the far right then something like that.

I think the number of non-nationals in Amsterdam is also greater . . . especially if you count Surinamers and so on.

It's true about the far right, but there has been a backlash against English for some years, not necessarily politically motivated. There was a time when all pop music and TV soaps were English or US. That's completely turned around. Though I believe the number of books published in Dutch each year is still declining.

Language is very important to cultural identity - ask the Belgians, who are totally split by the French and Flemish divide and haven't been able to form a Government for the past year.

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The Dutch have some cahones.

The recently penned a bill which would ban the practice of Halal and Kosher slaughter.

I have always wondered why our ,right on, animal rights protesters have never protested about the barbaric Hala and Kosher animal slaughter

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Nederlands

Nederland actually.

'The Netherlands' is a silly English affectation. The French don't call it, 'Les Pays Bas'. And only English people talk about, 'The Ukraine' for some obscure reason.

But it's perfectly acceptable to call it Holland in many countries, as in Голландия, which is closer to its origins. Holzland.

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As for the Dutch well people have taken the piss for to long so now they had enough .. Small example of the sort of thing they are having to deal with is Rotterdam once biggest port in the world pride of Dutch Calvinist hard work being one off the first Major city's in the EU having more ( or nearly not sure ) foreigners living in it then Dutch people.

Sorry, but you'll have to be deported. :P

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Sorry, but you'll have to be deported. :P

This may be helpful to many posters:

UK Border Agency - Life in the UK Test

This site helps you to prepare for the Life in the UK Test that is now required for settlement (indefinite leave to remain) in the UK or British citizenship. It does not give you the knowledge you need to take the test. You can find this information in the 'Life in the United Kingdom: A Journey to Citizenship' handbook. This is the only book you will need to buy to prepare for the test.

Depending on your level of English, you may choose to attend combined English language (ESOL) and citizenship classes.

The equivalent Dutch inburgering test is supposed to take 600 hours of study, but of course it will take a lot longer if you need to learn Dutch in the first place. Some might prefer to be deported.

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Surely the Poles could just stand on bridges in Amsterdam shouting 'e's, coke, whizz, viagra?'

Absolutely correct, and you make a serious point. Many people don't need a lot of language. There's no reason why some Pole's old mother needs to learn Dutch. She's only going to cook cabbage any way.

Or you could ask why an imported spouse, who is often unlikely to work and often denied any recourse to social funds, needs any more language than it takes to speak to her husband.

The Dutch and the UK tests are the modern equivalent of Norman Tebbit's 'Cricket Test', remember that?

Certainly they limit freedom of movement and negate the original concept of a 'citizen of Europe' by making local national culture mandatory.

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Nederland actually.

'The Netherlands' is a silly English affectation. The French don't call it, 'Les Pays Bas'. And only English people talk about, 'The Ukraine' for some obscure reason.

But it's perfectly acceptable to call it Holland in many countries, as in Голландия, which is closer to its origins. Holzland.

You're right, Nederland is the country, Nederlands is the language, Nederlander is a man of Nederland, Nederlandse is a woman from Nederland. Checking the spelling of the last one i find wikipedia in good form "Nederland is the Dutch name for the Netherlands" :huh: We'll let jonny foreigner know whats what! Calling Nederland Holland is like calling England Dorset. And that Kobenhavn eh, nice little mermaid.

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You're right, Nederland is the country, Nederlands is the language, Nederlander is a man of Nederland, Nederlandse is a woman from Nederland. Checking the spelling of the last one i find wikipedia in good form "Nederland is the Dutch name for the Netherlands" :huh: We'll let jonny foreigner know whats what! Calling Nederland Holland is like calling England Dorset. And that Kobenhavn eh, nice little mermaid.

They dont like it up em

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The Dutch have some cahones.

The recently penned a bill which would ban the practice of Halal and Kosher slaughter.

+1 but then again, we should tolerate other ppl's religious beliefs even though the probability that there is a god is nearly 0%.

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Good heavens! Your English is fantastic for a person not born in the UK, with only very minor mistakes in your post and frankly better than most of us could write. Why is the British education system so poor that so many Britons would struggle to match a foreign person's standard of English literacy...? sigh

Lived in the Netherlands, that will give you a clue. They all speak English due to a lot of movies being English there with dutch subtitles. We don't do the same here as foreign media comes mainly from the States which speak a similar language to us.

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