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Instead of running premature victory laps around the country, however, Mr Brown would be better off focusing on his day job of running the British economy, which is running into serious trouble. For several years this newspaper has been a lone voice in arguing that Mr Brown is not the economic miracle-worker he and his unquestioning cheerleaders in the media would have us believe. The evidence is now moving so convincingly in our direction that even an economically ignorant British media is beginning to realise it. Under his eight-year watch as Chancellor, Great Britain has slumped from being the fourth most competitive economy in the world in 1997 to 13th this year, according to the authoritative World Economic Forum. The pace of this decline is quickening: last year Britain slipped two ranks, overtaken by Australia and the Netherlands. In recent weeks a cascade of devastating data has confirmed that the bloom is very much off the Brown economy.

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http://thebusinessonline.com/Stories.aspx?...88-E1AC85BF7FDF

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As the gap between Mr Brown’s rhetoric and reality widens, however, it is at last dawning on even the gullible that things are seriously amiss with the British economy, that Mr Brown’s glory years as Chancellor are over and that, when he eventually gets the keys to 10 Downing Street, he will be seriously damaged goods. That, of course, is the Tory opportunity. As the Conservatives gather for their conference in Blackpool we will discover this week if they have the brains, guts and leaders to grasp it. We do not advise our readers to hold their breath.

Perhaps Ken Clarke will pick up the gauntlet.

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Perhaps Ken Clarke will pick up the gauntlet.

Just emailed him and Michael.

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Well Potemkin is becoming a popular word in both economics and politics. :D

What next Blair and Brown the Potemkin double act.

G W Bush the Potemkin President

Of course, calling Bush the Potemkin president is actually a gross insult to the genuine article -- Prince Grigory Potemkin, the man who allegedly had fake villages constructed on the shores of the Dnieper River in order to impress the Czarina Catherine during an official inspection tour.

But history also tells us the real Prince Potemkin was a hard-working, conscientious public servant who carried out his duties with considerable skill. At this point, it's looking less and less likely that history will ever say the same about Shrub.

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This article was particularly well written and contains many interesting facts and figures. Many of the same themes have been expressed here. There are two articles - this and the piece written in the telegraph by Bootle on which ring true on the numbers given Unlike Bootles predictions for a house price crash, which were easy to dismiss on the numbers and simple observation, now I fully agree with th above and what I see in the real world.

The savings ratio is already picking up as people stop spending all thier disposable income as thier incredible growing houseprices stop making them effortlessly richer. Now there is little dramatic growth, they are saving and consumer spending is down.

I would advise people to notice that the archetecture of a police state which would make the stazi proud is set to be implemented in the near future. As the productive economy starts to collapse with the horrors of the states hand, more and more crazy laws are being implemented to turn people into investor landlords and tenants.

In addition to the endless forms people have to fill into today, under the watchfull eye of the state, add the following which will occur in 2008/9: Clause 1 and Schedule 1 of the proposed National Identity Bill sets out more than fifty categories of information required for the register (subject to change by regulation):

* Name

* Other previous names or aliases;

* Date and place of birth and, if the person has died, the date of death;

* Address

* Previous addresses in the United Kingdom and elsewhere;

* Times of residency at different places in the United Kingdom or elsewhere;

* Current residential status;

* Residential statuses previously held;

* Information about numbers allocated to the applicant for identification purposes and about the documents to which they relate;

* Information about occasions on which recorded information in the Register has been provided to any person;

* Information recorded in the Register on request.

* Photograph

* Fingerprints

* “Other” biometrics (iris recognition);

* Signature

* Nationality;

* Entitlement to remain in the United Kingdom; and

* Where entitlement derives from a grant of leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom, the terms and conditions of that leave.

* National Identity Registration Number;

* The number of any ID card that has been issued;

* National Insurance number;

* The number of any relevant immigration document;

* The number of any United Kingdom passport (within the meaning of the Immigration Act 1971 (c. 77)) that has been issued;

* The number of any passport issued by or on behalf of the authorities of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom or by or on behalf of an international organisation;

* The number of any document that can be used (in some or all circumstances) instead of a passport;

* The number of any identity card issued by the authorities of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom;

* Any reference number allocated by the Secretary of State in connection with an application made for permission to enter or to remain in the United Kingdom;

* The number of any work permit (within the meaning of the Immigration Act 1971);

* Any driver number connected to a driving licence;

* The number of any designated document which is held by the applicant that is a document the number of which does not fall within any of the preceding sub-paragraphs;

* The date of expiry or period of validity of a document the number of which is recorded by virtue of this paragraph.

* The date of every application for registration;

* The date of every application for a modification of the contents of his entry;

* The date of every application confirming the contents of his entry (with or without changes);

* The reason for any omission from the information recorded in his entry;

* Particulars (in addition to its number) of every ID card issued;

* Whether each such card is in force and, if not, why not;

* Particulars of every person who has countersigned an application for an ID card or a designated document;

* Particulars of every notification given by the applicant for the purposes of regulations under section 13(1) (lost, stolen and damaged ID cards etc.);

* Particulars of every requirement by the Secretary of State for the individual to surrender an ID card issued to the applicant.

* The information provided in connection with every application to be entered in the Register, for a modification of the contents of entry in the Register or for the issue of an ID card;

* Information provided in connection with every application confirming entry in the Register (with or without change;

* Particulars of the steps taken, in connection with an application mentioned in paragraph (a) or ( or otherwise, for identifying the applicant or for verifying the information provided in connection with the application;

* Particulars of any other steps taken or information obtained (otherwise than in connection with an application mentioned in paragraph (a) or () for ensuring that there is a complete, up-to-date and accurate entry about that individual in the Register;

* Particulars of every notification given by that individual for the purposes of section 12.

* A personal identification number to be used for facilitating the making of applications for information recorded in his entry, and for facilitating the provision of the information;

* A password or other code to be used for that purpose or particulars of a method of generating such a password or code;

* Questions and answers to be used for identifying a person seeking to make such an application or to apply for or to make a modification of that entry.

* Particulars of every occasion on which information contained in the individual’s entry has been provided to a person;

* Particulars of every person to whom such information has been provided on such an occasion;

Other particulars, in relation to each such occasion, of the provision of the information.

This will happen - and people will have to provide all the above everytime they move or do anything. This is set to occur when the scheme is implemented.

Not even the stazi had such powerful technology to control peoples lives.

We seem to be on a very predictable and dangerious path.

Edited by brainclamp

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This article was particularly well written and contains many interesting facts and figures. Many of the same themes have been expressed here. There are two articles - this and the piece written in the telegraph by Bootle on which ring true on the numbers given Unlike Bootles predictions for a house price crash, which were easy to dismiss on the numbers and simple observation, now I fully agree with th above and what I see in the real world.

The savings ratio is already picking up as people stop spending all thier disposable income as thier incredible growing houseprices stop making them effortlessly richer. Now there is little dramatic growth, they are saving and consumer spending is down.

I would advise people to notice that the archetecture of a police state which would make the stazi proud is set to be implemented in the near future. As the productive economy starts to collapse with the horrors of the states hand, more and more crazy laws are being implemented to turn people into investor landlords and tenants.

In addition to the endless forms people have to fill into today, under the watchfull eye of the state, add the following which will occur in 2008/9: Clause 1 and Schedule 1 of the proposed National Identity Bill sets out more than fifty categories of information required for the register (subject to change by regulation):

* Name

* Other previous names or aliases;

* Date and place of birth and, if the person has died, the date of death;

* Address

* Previous addresses in the United Kingdom and elsewhere;

* Times of residency at different places in the United Kingdom or elsewhere;

* Current residential status;

* Residential statuses previously held;

* Information about numbers allocated to the applicant for identification purposes and about the documents to which they relate;

* Information about occasions on which recorded information in the Register has been provided to any person;

* Information recorded in the Register on request.

* Photograph

* Fingerprints

* “Other” biometrics (iris recognition);

* Signature

* Nationality;

* Entitlement to remain in the United Kingdom; and

* Where entitlement derives from a grant of leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom, the terms and conditions of that leave.

* National Identity Registration Number;

* The number of any ID card that has been issued;

* National Insurance number;

* The number of any relevant immigration document;

* The number of any United Kingdom passport (within the meaning of the Immigration Act 1971 (c. 77)) that has been issued;

* The number of any passport issued by or on behalf of the authorities of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom or by or on behalf of an international organisation;

* The number of any document that can be used (in some or all circumstances) instead of a passport;

* The number of any identity card issued by the authorities of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom;

* Any reference number allocated by the Secretary of State in connection with an application made for permission to enter or to remain in the United Kingdom;

* The number of any work permit (within the meaning of the Immigration Act 1971);

* Any driver number connected to a driving licence;

* The number of any designated document which is held by the applicant that is a document the number of which does not fall within any of the preceding sub-paragraphs;

* The date of expiry or period of validity of a document the number of which is recorded by virtue of this paragraph.

* The date of every application for registration;

* The date of every application for a modification of the contents of his entry;

* The date of every application confirming the contents of his entry (with or without changes);

* The reason for any omission from the information recorded in his entry;

* Particulars (in addition to its number) of every ID card issued;

* Whether each such card is in force and, if not, why not;

* Particulars of every person who has countersigned an application for an ID card or a designated document;

* Particulars of every notification given by the applicant for the purposes of regulations under section 13(1) (lost, stolen and damaged ID cards etc.);

* Particulars of every requirement by the Secretary of State for the individual to surrender an ID card issued to the applicant.

* The information provided in connection with every application to be entered in the Register, for a modification of the contents of entry in the Register or for the issue of an ID card;

* Information provided in connection with every application confirming entry in the Register (with or without change;

* Particulars of the steps taken, in connection with an application mentioned in paragraph (a) or ( or otherwise, for identifying the applicant or for verifying the information provided in connection with the application;

* Particulars of any other steps taken or information obtained (otherwise than in connection with an application mentioned in paragraph (a) or () for ensuring that there is a complete, up-to-date and accurate entry about that individual in the Register;

* Particulars of every notification given by that individual for the purposes of section 12.

* A personal identification number to be used for facilitating the making of applications for information recorded in his entry, and for facilitating the provision of the information;

* A password or other code to be used for that purpose or particulars of a method of generating such a password or code;

* Questions and answers to be used for identifying a person seeking to make such an application or to apply for or to make a modification of that entry.

* Particulars of every occasion on which information contained in the individual’s entry has been provided to a person;

* Particulars of every person to whom such information has been provided on such an occasion;

Other particulars, in relation to each such occasion, of the provision of the information.

This will happen - and people will have to provide all the above everytime they move or do anything. This is set to occur when the scheme is implemented.

Not even the stazi had such powerful technology to control peoples lives.

We seem to be on a very predictable and dangerious path.

It's well overdue, I'm counting the days whilst the illegals are lobbying around their local leaders

Edited by messychopper

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  • 301 Brexit, House prices and Summer 2020

    1. 1. Including the effects Brexit, where do you think average UK house prices will be relative to now in June 2020?


      • down 5% +
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