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Type 2 Diabetes Cured In 1 Week

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This is fantastic news for the 2.5 million affected in the UK. How do the pharmas get their profit though?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8594293/Crash-course-diet-reverses-Type-2-diabetes-in-a-week.html

Adhering to the strict 600 calorie-a-day diet causes fat levels in the pancreas to plummet, restoring normal function, found Prof Roy Taylor of Newcastle University.

The discovery, a "radical change" in understanding of the condition, holds out the possibility that sufferers could cure themselves - if they have the willpower.

Until recently received medical wisdom was that Type 2 diabetes was largely irreversible.

But this small-scale study indicates that defeating it could be easier than commonly thought.

Prof Taylor asked 11 volunteers, all recently diagnosed, to go on what he admitted was an "extreme diet" of specially formulated drinks and non-starchy vegetables, for eight weeks.

After just a week, pre-breakfast ('fasting') blood sugar levels had returned to normal, suggesting a resumption of correct pancreas function.

After eight weeks, all had managed to reverse their diabetes. Three months on, seven remained free of it.

Prof Taylor explained that too much fat "clogged up" the operation of the pancreas at a cellular level, preventing normal secretion of insulin which regulates blood sugar.

When this fat was removed - by way of the diet - normal function resumed.

He said: "This is a radical change in understanding Type 2 diabetes. It will change how we can explain it to people newly diagnosed with the condition.

"While it has long been believed that someone with Type 2 diabetes will always have the disease, and that it will steadily get worse, we have shown that we can reverse the condition."

Gordon Parmley, 67, from Stocksfield in Northumberland, one of the volunteers, said: "At the end of the trial, I was told my insulin levels were normal and after six years, I no longer needed my diabetes tablets.

"Still today, 18 months on, I don’t take them. It’s astonishing really that a diet – hard as it was – could change my health so drastically."

The idea of the crash diet came from the observation that gastric bypass patients often quickly stopped being Type 2 diabetics.

Many thought this was because surgery affected gut hormones which had a knock-on impact on the pancreas.

But Prof Taylor thought it might really be because the surgery severely constrained what patients could eat. He set up the diet experiment to test his 'fat' hypothesis.

He said special MRI scans showed the proportion of fat in volunteers' pancreases dropped during the eight weeks, from eight to six per cent.

"This study does not just show proof of principal, it shows proof of mechanism," he concluded.

He believed the diet would also work in people who had suffered from Type 2 diabetes for years, as bariatric surgery patients tended to remain diabetes-free. He is presenting the findings to the American Diabetes Association conference in San Diego this weekend.

Dr Iain Frame, director of research at Diabetes UK, which supported the study, said: "It shows that Type 2 diabetes can be reversed, on a par with successful surgery without the side effects. However, this diet is not an easy fix."

Whether the reversal "would remain in the long term" was still an open question.

Despite the diet's potential, Prof Taylor was a little pessimistic about how many would stick to it.

"Maybe five per cent," he said. "However, if they did, it would save the NHS many millions of pounds."

Almost a tenth of the entire NHS budget, or about £9 billion a year, is spent managing diabetes and its complications. Most of that is spent on type 2 diabetics, who outnumber type 1 diabetics by about nine to one.

Only 5% :blink: !!!!

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Everyone always goes on about "the wonderful NHS". I take responsibility for my own health - eat naturally (paleolithically now) and sparsely - and (thank God and touch wood) haven't had any call to see a doctor in twenty years.

In fact the NHS is a mixture of a giant torture machine (perpetrated on the unwitting, by the unwitting), attached to a gleaming spire of altruistic excellence which saves desperate people in real trouble with genetic diseases, car crashes, terrible burns, environmentally caused cancers, etc.

In the mind's eye of the public there will never be enough information to tease the two strands apart. The only hope is that people will learn about what the body has always needed for millions of years (what our caveman/woman ancestors ate) and slowly shrink the monstrously cruel side of medicine by starving it of 'volunteers'. I think the situation will only change 'bottom up', as people "catch on" and save themselves and their families from the dreadful life, then death, many eventual suffer, by simply eating wrongly.

As that old saying goes: "We dig our graves with our knives and forks".

Also the curse of "specialisation" and "consultants" when actually most modern ailments have common single cause, namely high insulin diets caused by excess grains, sugar coupled with inadequate animal fats. Poor dietary advise, bordering on the criminal. Occasional cold turkey. moderation and abstinence being a requirement of the human condition.

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You haven't been on one of those dodgy courses where you come out being a weird sort of advocate. Cast your mind back - could there have been any opportunities for hypnosis? Was the course tough and for long hours and involving any sleep deprivation? We need to know.

One sign would be how many friends you had before attending and how long standing; and then how many and how long standing after. Be truthful now. :D

I was diagnosed in March,not hugely up the scale but enough to be treated as a diabetic. I went on a diet and lost 11kg in 3 months. When I went back for an hba1c test I had dropped out of the diabetic range.Fresh veg,no dairy and no puddings.

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I was diagnosed in March,not hugely up the scale but enough to be treated as a diabetic. I went on a diet and lost 11kg in 3 months. When I went back for an hba1c test I had dropped out of the diabetic range.Fresh veg,no dairy and no puddings.

Interesting and well done you!! smile.gif

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If it works then the thing to do is set up "fat tw&t" camps.

That way you control their habits for the 8 weeks and cure them.

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If it works then the thing to do is set up "fat tw&t" camps.

That way you control their habits for the 8 weeks and cure them.

The 600 calorie bit is worrying.I calculated that I was in the 1500-1750 range and I increased exercise too,60 lengths of the pool weekdays plus walking.My weight loss was about 0.8kg a week for three months,which implies about a 900 calorie per day deficit.

I think that this is towards the top end of desirability in terms of speed of loss.

There are problems associated with faster loss.To begin with you are far more likely to re offend whereas I have now settled into a diet regime that is heavy on fruit,veg,fish and chicken. whereas I used to eat cheese,beef,butter and cream.Fast weight loss also has other disadvantages,the gall bladder it seems is particularly vulnerable to forming stones made of cholesterol.

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The 600 calorie bit is worrying.I calculated that I was in the 1500-1750 range and I increased exercise too,60 lengths of the pool weekdays plus walking.My weight loss was about 0.8kg a week for three months,which implies about a 900 calorie per day deficit.

I think that this is towards the top end of desirability in terms of speed of loss.

Yup I've lost weight at an incredible rate using various methods, motorbike touring food poisoning meant I lost close to 7 stone in 5 months.

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Can you survive on 600 cals though? I thought 1700ish was the base line amount to keep ticking over.

This article doesn't say that 5 people died...

yes you can. You might need to be out of "normal life" so theres no stress of work/family/etc - which is why a fat camp would be the way to go.

none of this "oh i stuck to it... apart from the six mars bars..."

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This article doesn't say that 5 people died...

yes you can. You might need to be out of "normal life" so theres no stress of work/family/etc - which is why a fat camp would be the way to go.

none of this "oh i stuck to it... apart from the six mars bars..."

Does that mean the GF has to spit instead of swallowing ;)

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Does that mean the GF has to spit instead of swallowing ;)

:)

A good point, when it's as extreme as that. 600 cals is very tough indeed, a mouthful of semen probably contains quite a few.

As usual an incredibly important detail is missed in the article - how long does it take to give yourself diabetes again if you go back to wolfing down icecream?

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Does that mean the GF has to spit instead of swallowing ;)

There's only 15- 30 calories in that.

It should always be her choice though.

:D

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The 600 calorie bit is worrying.I calculated that I was in the 1500-1750 range and I increased exercise too,60 lengths of the pool weekdays plus walking.My weight loss was about 0.8kg a week for three months,which implies about a 900 calorie per day deficit.

I think that this is towards the top end of desirability in terms of speed of loss.

There are problems associated with faster loss.To begin with you are far more likely to re offend whereas I have now settled into a diet regime that is heavy on fruit,veg,fish and chicken. whereas I used to eat cheese,beef,butter and cream.Fast weight loss also has other disadvantages,the gall bladder it seems is particularly vulnerable to forming stones made of cholesterol.

Have a look at the fatfiction.co.uk for information on gallstones.

http://www.fatfictio....uk/gallstones/

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Can you survive on 600 cals though? I thought 1700ish was the base line amount to keep ticking over.

I'm guessing that all of the people on this diet where a bit overweight, ie they could probably survive quite a while on 600 cals.

I think the starvation amount is to trigger the body to use it's fat stores.

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There's only 15- 30 calories in that.

It should always be her choice though.

:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semen#Nutritional_value

Semen is primarily water, but contains trace amounts of almost every nutrient the human body uses.[citation needed] It has somewhat higher amounts of commonly deficient minerals, such as potassium, magnesium, and selenium.[41] One typical ejaculation contains 150 mg of protein, 11 mg of carbohydrates, 6 mg fat, 3 mg cholesterol, 7% US RDA potassium and 3% US RDA copper and zinc.[42][not in citation given] When metabolized, protein yields 4 kcal/g, carbohydrate also yields 4 kcal/g, and fat yields 9 kcal/g.[43] Hence the food energy in the typical ejaculation is 0.7 kcal (2.9 kJ).

I think to survive on it you're going to need quite a few men.

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The 600 calorie bit is worrying.I calculated that I was in the 1500-1750 range and I increased exercise too,60 lengths of the pool weekdays plus walking.My weight loss was about 0.8kg a week for three months,which implies about a 900 calorie per day deficit.

I think that this is towards the top end of desirability in terms of speed of loss.

There are problems associated with faster loss.To begin with you are far more likely to re offend whereas I have now settled into a diet regime that is heavy on fruit,veg,fish and chicken. whereas I used to eat cheese,beef,butter and cream.Fast weight loss also has other disadvantages,the gall bladder it seems is particularly vulnerable to forming stones made of cholesterol.

Maybe the exercise was the key. Read that it makes the muscles suck up sugar or something more effieciently - that in turn reduces the risk of type 2 or even reverse it.

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I think to survive on it you're going to need quite a few men.

LOL I can't even make up facts without people checking up on them these days!

Shocking!

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I'm guessing that all of the people on this diet where a bit overweight, ie they could probably survive quite a while on 600 cals.

I think the starvation amount is to trigger the body to use it's fat stores.

Exactly and reduced insulin production will give them access to their fat stores again. Thats the problem. The obese become insulin resistant the pancreas going banana's pumping out more and more insulin, they are effectively starving, denied access to their fat stores. Its basically cut carbs, and/or cut substantial calories. Insulin is the "on/off switch" between fat metabolism or glucose metabolism. For many its permanently stuck on the glucose metabolism position.

Additionally their leptin feedback loop is buggared too. Leptin is the fat cells saying "we are full, please stop eating." However the body isn't listening, because its leptin resistant. At some point you just have to stop eating, even if you are "hungry."

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Diabetes reversal diets have been around for a while. Suggested them to my father - no dice!

Heavy on protein, cut out carbohydrates because they turn to sugar. No mention of calories. No idea if they work.

ps. I agree that alot of hospital treatment goes on conditions induced by bad diet. Both my parents had their gall bladders removed without a word of nutritional advice by the medicos. Just like the bankers - extend and pretend, and here's my bill.

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Diabetes reversal diets have been around for a while. Suggested them to my father - no dice!

Suggested an arthritis reversal diet for my dad. Indeed bought him the "Stone Age Diet" back in the 70's. Left on the side unread.

This is despite high GI foods like potato's increasing his pain. So he sits down to a meal of potato's.

That 70's book is now out of print but the "Paleo" approach has somewhat taken over from that publication.

Instead for my dad it was forty odd years of medication, hospitals, and a pacemaker, none of which really worked though some treatments did bring about some brief respites.

As for whether a Stone Age/Paleo approach would have worked it would have been a gamble. But certainly worth a try I think.

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The 95% that don't should pay for their own drugs and treatment mad.gif

+1.

If there is a simple effective cure then it would be criminal to enable people to remain ill.

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