The Spaniard Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Stocks, commodities, oil, metals, all down..... it's deflation . Index-linked gilts up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiges Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 What's the immediate spark here? Oil is down 5% ish today, FTSE has lost 1.5%, £ below $1.60... Don't forget the gold.. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-06-23/gold-plunges-as-slower-economy-oil-slump-ease-inflation-risk.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Index-linked gilts up. How does that work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spaniard Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 How does that work? Good question. Who is not convinced by the utterances of Bernanke? Maybe just a blip or maybe Merv is topping up his pension fund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okaycuckoo Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 EDIT - Has Cheryl Cole's X-Factor dismissal been confirmed??? There is strong speculation that she has cankles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okaycuckoo Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 buying opp. 2nd bite of the cherry Steady on. You might induce someone to gamble the whole STR fund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Steady on. You might induce someone to gamble the whole STR fund. That might be the plan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Steady on. You might induce someone to gamble the whole STR fund. I'm sure people are quite capable of taking responsibility for their own actions and not listening to nutters on the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia O'Keeffe Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I'm sure people are quite capable of taking responsibility for their own actions and not listening to nutters on the internet. i bought the market coz of you and you losed me money, my wife is leaving me for the grocer, the kids have divorced me and the dogs left me for the butcher, all because you losed me money, i want it back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Bernanke said no more QE yesterday. Share prices have been highly correlated with Fed QE/POMO purchases. No real buyers so price drops. I'm expecting big falls until they restart the printing press. No market interference and share prices drop. We can't have a real market the fake one is so much more comforting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okaycuckoo Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I'm sure people are quite capable of taking responsibility for their own actions and not listening to nutters on the internet. Quite. Or Quiet, as Kate Middleton might say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) No I don't think so. Its crash the market and buy everything back with the stolen loot phase, then rinse/repeat. They must think we are f*cking stupid not that we can do a lot about it, as people won't actually fight till they are starving. As long as X factor is on, and Tesco''s are well stocked with cheap booze and Pringles they will keep getting away with it. You have gave got it. No point in doing further QE until you have chased all the suckers and their money from stocks and commodities back into Treasuries where they can be shaven again. You may as well buy the beer and Pringles so you have something to consume while you watch the show being repeated. Edited June 23, 2011 by stormymonday_2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.steve Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I'm sure people are quite capable of taking responsibility for their own actions and not listening to nutters on the internet. You have to be kidding - listening to the nutters on the internet makes far more sense than listening to coherent sources... We might all be insane - but at least we're insane in different directions. As for people taking responsibility - have you any evidence that anyone ever has? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallingbuzzard Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Or you can just shave them when they are in stocks and commodities. Why else would there have been a coordinated release of oil reserves? No point in doing further QE until you have chased all the suckers and their money from stocks and commodities back into Treasuries where they can be shaven again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Creation Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 What's the immediate spark here? Oil is down 5% ish today, FTSE has lost 1.5%, £ below $1.60... My guess- sky high shibor rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarman001 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Pft, try the AIM market! Metal miners (well the majority of the ones I monitor) are down 50-60%!! I'm sitting on large losses. Written the money off in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahoo Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Pft, try the AIM market! Metal miners (well the majority of the ones I monitor) are down 50-60%!! I'm sitting on large losses. Written the money off in my mind. No worries mate...we're all sitting on these...I'm currently 18% down. But, the fundamentals of these companies hasn't changed and you made your decisions based on sound research, so only a fool would sell at the mo. The best thing you could do is buy, and reduce your averages - if you have the spondoolies. The word on the street, is that junior miners are going to bounce back; especially if gold is involved. Which companies are you in...out of interest. I've got shed loads in Orogen. My main stock is in junior oilies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia O'Keeffe Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Pft, try the AIM market! Metal miners (well the majority of the ones I monitor) are down 50-60%!! I'm sitting on large losses. Written the money off in my mind. mmm, not advice but you seem to be influenced by certain people on here or what you are reading on this board or others, i would suggest given your lack of success that maybe you should stick to the normal method of saving, dont let people tell you there is free money out there, there generally aint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahoo Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 mmm, not advice but you seem to be influenced by certain people on here or what you are reading on this board or others, i would suggest given your lack of success that maybe you should stick to the normal method of saving, dont let people tell you there is free money out there, there generally aint Good post...but depends on your individual circumstances and risk exposure. I'm very bored by 2,3,4% gains pa. Worthless really. On the AIM market, it is possible to make 200, 300, 400%. The key is waiting and watching for a while and do your own research. Look at the company website for starters then research the prospects. Remember AIM are new companies with shares worth 1P. If they become successful, those shares become worth 30p or more. From the forums you get sentiment about a company - nothing more. Only a fool would buy because of someones opinions. And..don't forget, as a share holder, you own part of that company, so you have every right to phone up the company and dig deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Creation Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) Pft, try the AIM market! Metal miners (well the majority of the ones I monitor) are down 50-60%!! I'm sitting on large losses. Written the money off in my mind. I would generally avoid AIM unless you have specific, inside knowledge that you are certain about. I'm not sure junior miners have quite the same dynamic as they held pre ETF's. You would be better waiting for sharp pullbacks and momentum trading the mid level or senior producers. smaller percentages but more reliable over the long term. Edited June 23, 2011 by Jack's Creation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19 year mortgage 8itch Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 mmm, not advice but you seem to be influenced by certain people on here or what you are reading on this board or others, i would suggest given your lack of success that maybe you should stick to the normal method of saving, dont let people tell you there is free money out there, there generally aint Amen to that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahoo Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 A little judgmental there Dave. By setting tight stops losses can help you minimise your losses and maximise your potential upside, each to their own, but best not to act like a Rabbit in the headlights when the bear comes a knocking as you can always buy back once the grizzly has passed. True mate...but stop losses can mean that you give your shares cheap to the MM's on AIM, because they are so volatile, and MM's are so damn good at manipulation. The pi's run for the hills, the II's get rich. I don't set stop-losses. If I'm stuck on a spike...I'll just sit it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahoo Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) I would generally avoid AIM unless you have specific, inside knowledge that you are certain about. I'm not sure junior miners have quite the same dynamic as they held pre ETF's. You would be better waiting for sharp pullbacks and momentum trading the mid level or senior producers. smaller percentages but more reliable over the long term. You're 100% right, but the ETF's cannot last for much longer - another bubble. The II's will be rushing back into stocks, as they have asset backed value, whereas ETF's don't....especially the junior miners, and prices will soar. It's a very good time to get into gold miners, for this reason, at the moment. There are some life changing opportunities out there. And lets be honest..not many of those come along! EDIT...EFT/ETF! Edited June 23, 2011 by Davetolbooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Pft, try the AIM market! Metal miners (well the majority of the ones I monitor) are down 50-60%!! I'm sitting on large losses. Written the money off in my mind. I think its very refreshing for you to be so honest, usually on HPC people only declare their profits. But be careful there are some real shysters on AIM. I knew some of them and even worked for them briefly. I know a bunch that are (or were) a gold mining outfit (in Vietnam). Be very, very careful. Don;t believe a word they say. They always make money, their investors don't (usually). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahoo Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) I think its very refreshing for you to be so honest, usually on HPC people only declare their profits. But be careful there are some real shysters on AIM. I knew some of them and even worked for them briefly. I know a bunch that are (or were) a gold mining outfit (in Vietnam). Be very, very careful. Don;t believe a word they say. They always make money, their investors don't (usually). Most AIM investors have had their portfolios shot to bits recently. I'm not sure that AIM is there to rip off investors. These are new companies, and it's fair to say that a lot go to the wall. Private investors lose their money, but it's not unusual for new companies to go bust. That's not fraud, but a bad business idea. So, it comes down to the individual investor to carry out the necessary research before investing. The first stop is looking at the BODs and their credentials. etc etc and finally... Don't invest what your not prepared to lose. Edited June 23, 2011 by Davetolbooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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