muggle Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Suspected burglar stabbed to death in SalfordA suspected burglar has been stabbed to death while trying to break into a house in Greater Manchester. It is understood the man was attempting to get into a house in Ethel Avenue, Salford, on Wednesday night when the householder tried to defend the house. The man, 26, is believed to have been carried away by other members of a balaclava-clad gang as they fled... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-13885457 If a gang of people wearing balaclavas broke into my home i think I might well react just as strongly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendy Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-13885457 If a gang of people wearing balaclavas broke into my home i think I might well react just as strongly. How unreasonable – the reasonable person here would have invited the gang in, arranged some tea and biscuits and then gone through the local college prospectus to show them that there is hope and that they can mend the errors of their ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 What sort of wimpy gang goes in mob handed with balaclavas and then runs away after one stabbing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I want a house! Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Two words, NOT GUILTY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggle Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share Posted June 23, 2011 What sort of wimpy gang goes in mob handed with balaclavas and then runs away after one stabbing? Yeah, pussies. Masked assailants, I $hit ‘em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GloomMonger Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Two words, NOT GUILTY. Only after a public outcry persuades the judge to make a U-Turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 There was a new story on the radio several years ago where a pensioner had killed someone breaking in. The policeman being interviewed gave the distinct impression that his attitude was that the guy had done everyone a favour. A whole balaclava-clad gang breaking in makes me wonder if there's something more than a burglary involved though. On the other hand it's Salford, so that's normal day-to-day business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timak Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Didn't Cameron announce just this week: Householders will be allowed to defend their properties by reasonable force And Mandatory sentence for carrying a knife It's a boolean error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMac Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 What sort of wimpy gang goes in mob handed with balaclavas and then runs away after one stabbing? Most of them are cowards, like the ones you see running away after and old Granny starts swinging her handbag. Any sort of resistance triggers their flight response. I dont like the way the police automatically arrest the real victims either. One thing that the USA does right is give the benefit of the doubt to the occupier when it's blatantly obvious they have defended their home. The police these days prefer an easy collar, following the letter of the law rather than the spirit of justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Most of them are cowards, like the ones you see running away after and old Granny starts swinging her handbag. Any sort of resistance triggers their flight response. I dont like the way the police automatically arrest the real victims either. One thing that the USA does right is give the benefit of the doubt to the occupier when it's blatantly obvious they have defended their home. The police these days prefer an easy collar, following the letter of the law rather than the spirit of justice. Remember that case where a tourist in the USA was shot for knocking on someone's door to ask for directions, and the killer successfully got the benefit of the doubt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMac Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Remember that case where a tourist in the USA was shot for knocking on someone's door to ask for directions, and the killer successfully got the benefit of the doubt? Yes, always the 'got lost' or 'just knocked on door' scenario is brought up in opposition to householders having the right to defend themselves. If a man shoots and kills someone for knocking on their door then he's a murderer. Presumably he was found out after a proper investigation. I'm not saying the police shouldn't investigate and ask questions, but to routinly arrest all of occupants of a house that's been attacked by a masked gang is garbage imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 It all comes down to reasonable force and reasonable force is to sneak up behind him and hit him on the head as hard as you can with the heaviest thing you can lay your hands on to make absolutely certain that he doesn't get up again for at least an hour. If he never gets up, tough. Stabbing him would be dangerous, as unless you know what you're doing, you could end up with a wounded and very pissed off burglar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMac Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 It all comes down to reasonable force and reasonable force is to sneak up behind him and hit him on the head as hard as you can with the heaviest thing you can lay your hands on to make absolutely certain that he doesn't get up again for at least an hour. If he never gets up, tough. Stabbing him would be dangerous, as unless you know what you're doing, you could end up with a wounded and very pissed off burglar. Hard to sneak up behind him if he has accomplices and he's in the process of breaking into your house! I don't think anyone particularly knows what they're doing or knows what they would do when faced with such a situation. The body goes into automatic. It would take a cool customer to think logically and 'reasonably', guaging the threat and responding with appropriate force - most would grab the most effective thing to hand and use that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 iirc he went round the back of the hosue when there was no need. That still doesn't mean that shooting the guy wasn't a completely disproportionate response that he should not have got off scot-free from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Hard to sneak up behind him if he has accomplices and he's in the process of breaking into your house! I don't think anyone particularly knows what they're doing or knows what they would do when faced with such a situation. The body goes into automatic. It would take a cool customer to think logically and 'reasonably', guaging the threat and responding with appropriate force - most would grab the most effective thing to hand and use that. Agreed, adrenaline kicks in and your "fight or flight" instincts take over, all rational thought goes and you just react, thinking is for later, its either you or him, and he's in YOUR house, your Family are upstairs, scared. could he kill you? your family? no time to think about it. before you know it, the burgular is lying in a pool of blood, your standing over him, your heart doing a 1000 BPM, your not sure what really just happened, it was all so quick, a blur even, you look down and the blood pool is touching your toes, you raise your hand to see the knife you cant remember picking up covered in blood. YOU just stabbed him. that is perfectly accpetable in my books. its what happens next that changes the situation, to you then call the police etc to report this, or do you bundle him in to the boot of your car and dump him in the middle of nowhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superted187 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Just saw this one on twitter: A burglar has been stabbed to death in Salford, Manchester. His condition is described as satisfactory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ayatollah Buggeri Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Didn't Cameron announce just this week: Householders will be allowed to defend their properties by reasonable force And Mandatory sentence for carrying a knife It's a boolean error. Presumably Cameron's definition of 'carrying' does not include within your own home. If it did, we'd all be going to jail every time we ate our dinner. It all comes down to reasonable force and reasonable force is to sneak up behind him and hit him on the head as hard as you can with the heaviest thing you can lay your hands on to make absolutely certain that he doesn't get up again for at least an hour. If he never gets up, tough. And if you can't lay your hand on a very heavy object imnmediately but you can a sharp one? If there is a burglar in your house, that doesn't leave you time to find that hammer you last used three months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 And if you can't lay your hand on a very heavy object imnmediately but you can a sharp one? If there is a burglar in your house, that doesn't leave you time to find that hammer you last used three months ago. Just a question of what's most likely to get him out of action (and you want to minimise contaminating your place with his blood). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Just saw this one on twitter: A burglar has been stabbed to death in Salford, Manchester. His condition is described as satisfactory Oh I shouldn't laugh it sets off my cough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichB Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 that is perfectly accpetable in my books. its what happens next that changes the situation, to you then call the police etc to report this, or do you bundle him in to the boot of your car and dump him in the middle of nowhere? Ah yes, punished for stupidity by involving the coppers eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 REOFFENDING RATE: ZERO COST OF IMPRISONMENT: ZERO STOLEN PROPERTY: ZERO If only the rozzers were as efficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikthe20 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 A whole balaclava-clad gang breaking in makes me wonder if there's something more than a burglary involved though. On the other hand it's Salford, so that's normal day-to-day business. Remind me which town all those BBC staffers are relocating to again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Two words, NOT GUILTY. More words - "It could have been a copper or taxman, send the ******er down." - Judge Cocklecarrot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_ichikawa Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I can fully expect the home owner to be prosecuted and for the government to take his stuff becuase of this prosecution. It bad business to punish criminals are it is not profitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_ichikawa Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Trust me, they'll be living nowhere near Salford! Salford is OK in some areas. The flats with a moat around it (the Quays are OK) anywhere else might as well be as dangerous as down town Baghdad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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