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Seems there's some odd stuff going on here.

Having been raped of decent pension provision and job security by the actions of those paragons of virtue in the private sector. Those who lost out are now cheering on the same behaviour as it occurs to others.

I'd bet there's a lot more final salary schemes in the exec / banker world. Its just they cost too much for the proles to have.

I'm not a fan of state expansion and make work schemes but once again this is diversionary. The people actually stuffing themselves with tax payers money are the bankers.

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They don't need popular support, just to threaten the tax take.

I don't understand, they won't get paid while they strike, the gov't will save money, how are they threatening the tax take

It's almost comical, 'we're going to be paid less so we're going to take unpaid leave to complain about it'

When they do this, any public sympathy they had will evaporate when parents have to make alternative arrangements for their schooling kids

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Seems there's some odd stuff going on here.

Having been raped of decent pension provision and job security by the actions of those paragons of virtue in the private sector. Those who lost out are now cheering on the same behaviour as it occurs to others.

I'd bet there's a lot more final salary schemes in the exec / banker world. Its just they cost too much for the proles to have.

I'm not a fan of state expansion and make work schemes but once again this is diversionary. The people actually stuffing themselves with tax payers money are the bankers.

Its a question of cake and eating it. Public sector recieve better pay at low to middle levels AND better pensions AND better job security.

All funded by theft from me.

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Don't sound so glum about it Ken, that would be fantastic news. Things need to get worse before they get better. And the more currency debasement, the betterer! B)

I dunno each time I look at my small pile of sovs and the much bigger pile of silver it always looks too small. Gotta contain the gold fever though.

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Seems there's some odd stuff going on here.

Having been raped of decent pension provision and job security by the actions of those paragons of virtue in the private sector. Those who lost out are now cheering on the same behaviour as it occurs to others.

I'd bet there's a lot more final salary schemes in the exec / banker world. Its just they cost too much for the proles to have.

I'm not a fan of state expansion and make work schemes but once again this is diversionary. The people actually stuffing themselves with tax payers money are the bankers.

Banker bashing won't solve the problem of this part of the economy is being better paid and working for less time with more security.

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Including half the private sector ;-) ......via funny litle spin offs

I work in the public sector and these parasitic private companies that feed off state money make us look ultra-efficient. Preoceduralisticbullcarappers they are. But THEY claim to be efficient.

Funny old world init.

Yes, like the oh-so-efficient private sector care home company Southern Cross that somehow has 3000 employees in their layer of fat.

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Banker bashing won't solve the problem of this part of the economy is being better paid and working for less time with more security.

+1

The years 2001-2007 were an orgy of greed and shortsightedness at all levels of society.

The banks just helped facilitate this. Now that they won't lend money to anyone who can fog a mirror, they are seen as tightfisted and hurting the economy. Blaming banks for making money out of our inability/refusal to live within our means is rather immature, IMHO.

PS - No bank should have received a penny of taxpayers bailout money. Were that the case, we would be recovering nicely now.

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Yes, like the oh-so-efficient private sector care home company Southern Cross that somehow has 3000 employees in their layer of fat.

The problem is that the public sector thinks it has license to copy the worst excesses and inefficiencies of the private sector, but with the risk of going bust perpetually covered by the taxpayer.

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Banker bashing won't solve the problem of this part of the economy is being better paid and working for less time with more security.

No, but cancelling all their promises, rescinding all debts, telling the savers "sorry you got conned" and locking them up for fraud might.

On topic - these pensions cannot be paid. So they won't be...in real terms. Printy printy can happen tho, and it will, probably by stealth.

A note on the tax take - the tax take is the real world goods and services that the nation provide. The elite who must get paid by the state measure in terms of real stuff, not being dim enough to fall for fiat money themselves. A general strike will drop the real output of the nation off a cliff. There are plenty of other tax farms not having industrial disputes fo rthe would be human farmer to go and invest in.

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They don't need popular support, just to threaten the tax take.

If public sector workers don't value thier jobs, they should be sacked. There is an army of unemployed, under 30 year olds who would give their left arm for a public sector job right now.

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If public sector workers don't value thier jobs, they should be sacked. There is an army of unemployed, under 30 year olds who would give their left arm for a public sector job right now.

They don't have the experience, qualifications, contacts or legal right toi perform those jobs.

That stuff is how the state maintains it's grip on the working populace, theres ****** all chance of the statists chucking those control levers away over a few, easily printable quid.

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They don't have the experience, qualifications, contacts or legal right toi perform those jobs.

That stuff is how the state maintains it's grip on the working populace, theres ****** all chance of the statists chucking those control levers away over a few, easily printable quid.

They said that about the air traffic controllers in the States before Ronald Reagan sacked the lot of them, see here. People in employment (both the private and public sector) have an inflated sense of their own value. If it comes down to saving money, you most definitely are replaceable in most cases.

Anyway, the Reagan argument is a moot point. If we see a showdown between the unions and Cameron, the unions will blink first.

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Yes but they all have 12 BTL's each so can live off that income.

Oh yeah, the state cannot afford for their to be a mass mortgage default either. Even a delay in payment by millions would reveal the bankrupcy of the banks again.

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They don't have the experience, qualifications, contacts or legal right toi perform those jobs.

That stuff is how the state maintains it's grip on the working populace, theres ****** all chance of the statists chucking those control levers away over a few, easily printable quid.

Can't see the Government backing down as they had a grand opportunity to cut VAT this week with the retail figures and didn't citing the deficit being too large.

The big question is will the strike endure long enough to bring down the Government? If Labour get back in then the Unions know this is their best chance of getting these proposals reversed.

The levels of debt probably do mean most will not be able to stick it out too long and if any of them were feckless enough to think it was a good idea to continue paying their mortgage after they have retired (and drawing their pension) then bolloks to them.

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They don't have the experience, qualifications, contacts or legal right toi perform those jobs.

That stuff is how the state maintains it's grip on the working populace, theres ****** all chance of the statists chucking those control levers away over a few, easily printable quid.

....they should have the qualifications, the teachers taught them.... ;)

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It's all posturing.. Theyre on a weaker footing than during the miners strike because there's no private sector support for the cause, having been shafted themselves in their pensions and their wages recently and consider the public sector bloated and overpaid.

If it wasn't for the left wing media (BBC & Guardian) whipping things up it'd barely register with anyone else.

If they strike its time all the working people in the UK withhold all council tax payments income tax and TV license .Its only fair.

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They said that about the air traffic controllers in the States before Ronald Reagan sacked the lot of them, see here. People in employment (both the private and public sector) have an inflated sense of their own value. If it comes down to saving money, you most definitely are replaceable in most cases.

Anyway, the Reagan argument is a moot point. If we see a showdown between the unions and Cameron, the unions will blink first.

There is a difference between a small but important sector of the economy going off on one and millions of workers accross many sectors downing tools all at once.

Reagan had the luxury of deficit financing. Cameron doesn't.

Reagan had the luxury of being able to find people to take the jobs on. Cameron doesn't.

Reagan could afford to take the financial hit to make a political point. Cameron can't.

I expect a lot of torch-under-the-chin scary noises from the right wingers and a lot of QQ from the daily mail brigade but a general strike sort of affair would drop the entire state into de facto bankrupcy, see higher interest rates and millions homeless etc etc

The PTB will just stick a pretense on, and then print more money.

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If they strike its time all the working people in the UK withhold all council tax payments income tax and TV license .Its only fair.

They won't have to stop paying, because there won't be anyone collecting them.

Get it yet?

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Prentis said that while pensions were the focus of the unions' industrial dispute – and the only issue that they could legally jointly strike on

Hardly going to be bad is it?

No, it's all good. Sooner this clusterf4ck of a country collapses the sooner we can rebuild it properly with sound currency and a sustainable economy. Therefore, anything that helps push us closer to the edge quicker is a bonus.

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