Jadoube Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 My landlord doesn't charge me more when I get a pay rise or when I spend more money in the shops. Shh, don't give your landlord ideas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 My landlord doesn't charge me more when I get a pay rise or when I spend more money in the shops. And the Government doesn't charge you more when your landlord increases the rent. I'm suggesting you regard taxes as rent, not that they are the same thing. Although if your going down that route, the Government won't make you homeless if you evade taxes. Quite the opposite actually What they do have in common is that you can always move if you think the 'rent' is excessive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Equally anybody who works there can resign from the public sector and get a job that's not paid for by extortion. there is public sector and public sector, we need to be sensible here. I can clean my street, take my rubbish to landfill, educate my kids, decide for myself which 5-a-day I want to eat BUT I cannot replace my grandma's hip or fix my smashed knee or bypass my uncle heart... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepista Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 What about a fire service? A terrace of 3 houses - the end 2 are insured with the private fire station, the middle one isn't. The middle one catches fire and the fire brigade won't put it out and wait for the end 2 houses to catch fire before putting them out. Of course in Injin world the fire engine won't have got to the fire as it will still be paying tolls every 10m on the privately owned stretches of road. They'd use the fire Injin, obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyblue Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 "Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground." Nothing personal at all Bosh, and I haven't read your posts, so please forgive me, but merely thinking of the amusing logic of your signature...Yesterday's nut that held its ground could just as easily be today's squirrel shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 there is public sector and public sector, we need to be sensible here. I can clean my street, take my rubbish to landfill, educate my kids, decide for myself which 5-a-day I want to eat BUT I cannot replace my grandma's hip or fix my smashed knee or bypass my uncle heart... Be sensible - how on earth can good come from theft and extortion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Be sensible - how on earth can good come from theft and extortion? How about if I stole £50k from Bill Gates, bought some antibiotics, and took them to Africa to treat children with easily cured infectious diseases who would otherwise have died slow and painful deaths? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 How about if I stole £50k from Bill Gates, bought some antibiotics, and took them to Africa to treat children with easily cured infectious diseases who would otherwise have died slow and painful deaths? Evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichB Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Who does he think he is? He's a surgeon. He's good at his job, and his job is doing something that people are desperate to have. As to wages - surgeons in the NHS make big money on the side in the private sector, from private patients. His perfectly adequate response is that daily WE beg him to heal us and he does so. IMO a man with excellent credentials to tell a media crew where they get off. Of course, having seen inside some hospitals in this country recently, I do wonder when the last time they cleaned the ward properly was... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Evil. The problem with Injinworld is that there is a single "good thing" - inalienable property rights - which always trumps every other "good thing", no matter what the context. Take a look at any religious text, or their secular equivalents like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. There are many things that make up a good life and a good society, and property rights are just one of them. Working out the balance between property rights and other good things like freedom from disease, everybody having food on the table etc is the business of politics. It seems to me that Injinworld, by always putting property rights first, would do a worse job of handling problems like disease and food distribution. Maybe you would claim as many libertarians do that when property rights are absolute, those other problems will just take care of themselves. To me, that case seems far from proven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 The problem with Injinworld is that there is a single "good thing" - inalienable property rights - which always trumps every other "good thing", no matter what the context. Take a look at any religious text, or their secular equivalents like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. There are many things that make up a good life and a good society, and property rights are just one of them. Working out the balance between property rights and other good things like freedom from disease, everybody having food on the table etc is the business of politics. It seems to me that Injinworld, by always putting property rights first, would do a worse job of handling problems like disease and food distribution. Maybe you would claim as many libertarians do that when property rights are absolute, those other problems will just take care of themselves. To me, that case seems far from proven. Don't care about any of that. Stealing is wrong. Stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Of course, having seen inside some hospitals in this country recently, I do wonder when the last time they cleaned the ward properly was... Christ, you want him to stick a broom up his ar$e so he can sweep the floor while fitting yer grannies plastic hip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RufflesTheGuineaPig Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 To be fair if he let they stay and someone got mrsa and died, he'd be liable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Maybe the Doc was not asked to be included in any interviews Seriously, I think he was completely right in what he was saying but completely wrong in the stroppy manner in which he went about it. Right and rude. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealthy Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 The man walked up to the camera crew who were filming cameron and clegg and told them to do one in the best interest of the patients on his ward That takes some serious balls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunK BeaR Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 He reminded me a bit of spoilt b@stard out of viz. It was pretty unprofessional going off on one like that in the ward in front of the patients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosh Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Nothing personal at all Bosh, and I haven't read your posts, so please forgive me, but merely thinking of the amusing logic of your signature...Yesterday's nut that held its ground could just as easily be today's squirrel shit Yes but it starts with todays mighty oak not todays Squirrel shit. Could use the same logic describing someone growing into a fine person but I would then flip and say they could have just as easily dribbled down dads leg and not exist. Read my posts. I`m here all week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealthy Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 (edited) He reminded me a bit of spoilt b@stard out of viz. It was pretty unprofessional going off on one like that in the ward in front of the patients. So what would you have done written a letter to your MP? I'm glad we're all living in the real world, I'm sure handling an NHS ward isn't stressful, and I'm sure having to deal with a camera crew in front of the PM and Deputy PM isn't a particularly difficult situation that all the geniuses here would handle perfectly, inbetween posting on a forum. Edited June 15, 2011 by wealthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tricksters Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 The man walked up to the camera crew who were filming cameron and clegg and told them to do one in the best interest of the patients on his ward That takes some serious balls He still sounded like a Dick. You could see his staff cringing with embarrassment. He could have been forceful with a bit of style. Instead, he made a tw@t of himself. Silly little tantrum. I still take me hat off to surgeons though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosh Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 So what would you have done written a letter to your MP? I'm glad we're all living in the real world, I'm sure handling an NHS ward isn't stressful, and I'm sure having to deal with a camera crew in front of the PM and Deputy PM isn't a particularly difficult situation that all the geniuses here would handle perfectly, inbetween posting on a forum. Simple really, walk up to them and ask them to please stop filming. Explain who you are politely and tell them that the actions of the camera crew/press represent a significant health risk to patients under your care. Tell them what they need to do before they can continue filming and thank them for abiding by clinical hospital policy. Same result with less drama/stress to the patients and visitors. Does not matter what we think on hpc about authority/government but some patients would have been excited about meeting the Prime minister. Something to tell the kids maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timak Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I can't help but think if it had been Gordon Brown who was ticked off by the surgeon a number of posters on here would have a slightly different opinion.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealthy Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 (edited) He still sounded like a Dick. You could see his staff cringing with embarrassment. He could have been forceful with a bit of style. Instead, he made a tw@t of himself. Silly little tantrum. I still take me hat off to surgeons though. Who gives a toss how he sounded Job done Vast majority of the population would have hid in the corner and said nothing, including everyone on here Stop crictising the guy: I'm not having it Edited June 15, 2011 by wealthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealthy Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Simple really, walk up to them and ask them to please stop filming. Explain who you are politely and tell them that the actions of the camera crew/press represent a significant health risk to patients under your care. Tell them what they need to do before they can continue filming and thank them for abiding by clinical hospital policy. No not simple If you think it's simple you've never found yourself in a difficult situation, let alone one that involves the safety of others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosh Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I have visited hospitals many times. I don`t wear ties unless up before the judge or burying someone. I was unaware of the tie rule. I always disinfect my hands. If he came flying at me all guns blazing in an aggresive manner then he would have been lucky he was in the right place to have one of his mates remove his head from his ar5e. Forget political favourites and even if it was Brown or Obama I just don`t understand why people choose to be rude instantly. Fair enough if they were told and decided to ignore the rules then give em both barrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunK BeaR Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 (edited) So what would you have done written a letter to your MP? I'm glad we're all living in the real world, I'm sure handling an NHS ward isn't stressful, and I'm sure having to deal with a camera crew in front of the PM and Deputy PM isn't a particularly difficult situation that all the geniuses here would handle perfectly, inbetween posting on a forum. As bosh said he should have asked him politely to observe the required hygiene regulations. I dont deny he has a stressful job but losing the rag in front of the patients isnt too smart. As an aside, does anyone know if he was observing the required hygiene regulations? I would have though his bow tie and that id card swinging round his neck would have been a no no. Edited June 15, 2011 by PunK BeaR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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