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I reckon Cameron is a genius.

The NHS will get reformed substantially, Clegg gets a life line, even Lansley will keep his job.

I don't especially like Cameron, but it is 4 years till the next election, he just needs to keep the Lib Dem front benchers onside for long enough to push on with his agenda. Any concessions to delicate LD consciences will be broadcast from the roof tops, of course.

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It's in their dna. Dna a spiral, a continuous U turn.

Mind you it's in the Labour and LibDem dna as well.

Promises promises.

There again they'll all claim they're straight forward kinda guys (Cleggie even littered the Embankment for miles around so determined was he to prove he was a straight forward kinda guy before the last election and just to get get the slightest sniff of power). What did Cameron say, something about bringing honesty back into politics after all the expenses scandals.

It's upto each person whether to believe any of them or not.

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I thought about writing this thread 6 months ago, as a record of the U-Turns... better late than never.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/environment/cameron_u_turn_in_thetford_forest_sell_off_plan_1_804370

http://www.communitycare.co.uk/blogs/service-user-voice/2011/03/u-turn-on-disability-living-allowance-overtaken-by-penny-pinching-over-mobility-component.html

http://www.marklazarowicz.org.uk/government-u-turn-on-housing-benefit-cut-for-long-term-unemploye

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378910/David-Camerons-latest-U-turn-decides-wear-tails-royal-wedding.html

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23864864-coalition-chaos-after-david-cameron-u-turn-on-free-school-milk.do

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/208589/David-Cameron-U-turn-denies-Britain-EU-referendum

http://www.politicalreboot.co.uk/2010/12/camerons-u-turn-on-married-couples.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/8225711/Literary-heavyweights-force-free-books-U-turn.html

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2011/01/15/cameron-u-turn-on-ipsa-will-push-the-tory-fodder-over-the-edge/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/dec/20/u-turn-michael-gove-school-sport-partnership

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224428/Tories-U-turn-Lisbon-Treaty-Cameron-drops-pledge-referendum.html

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/local-news/betrayed_by_u_turn_on_knife_crime_law_1_3009833

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/dec/27/david-cameron-hunting-ban-vote

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/politics/article-23897975-david-cameron-u-turn-over-vanity-staff-on-public-payroll.do

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1355004/British-Legion-accuses-David-Cameron-U-turn-pledge-war-heroes.html

http://www.prweek.com/news/rss/1040864/Governments-immigration-cap-U-turn-show-Cameron-listener/

http://www.hmforces.co.uk/news/articles/6849-david-camerons-army-u-turn

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1297098/David-Cameron-orders-U-turn-taxpayer-funding-prison-parties.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/2011/05/10/taxpayers-foot-the-bill-for-david-cameron-s-u-turn-on-cabinet-meetings-oustide-london-115875-23119506/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/24/cameron-conservatives-compromise-1922-committee

http://www.newsrt.co.uk/news/pm-u-turn-on-plan-to-let-rich-buy-places-at-uni-148040.html

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/187041/David-Cameron-s-u-turn-on-migrants/David-Cameron-s-u-turn-on-migrants

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2011/05/20/government-u-turn-on-coastguard-closures-gives-holyhead-hope-55578-28728619/

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw/news/880674/Cameron-shelves-fund-to-support-companies-using-green-technology.html

http://www.thinkbaby.co.uk/pregnancy-news/david-cameron-breaks-extra-midwives-pledge/3518.html

http://waeshael.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/cameron-a-u-turn-on-multi-culturism/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8331781/Government-accused-of-new-U-turn-over-NHS-reform.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/8512631/Government-accused-of-u-turn-on-ban-on-wild-animals-in-circuses.html

http://waugh.standard.co.uk/2010/08/cams-uturn-on-council-homes-for-life.html

http://www.general-election-2010.co.uk/pm-david-cameron-turns-his-back-on-free-over-60s-bus-pass-election-promise.html

http://thethirdestate.net/2011/01/nick-clegg-in-control-orders-u-turn/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1283435/Cameron-U-turn-rape-case-anonymity-apply-suspects-charged.html

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/191462/Tories-U-turn-on-200m-cancer-drugs-fund

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/05/04/is-the-government-doing-a-u-turn-on-selling-off-public-services/

Some direct HPC turns you might have missed:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/nov/28/housing-benefit-cap-postponed-2012

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/2011/02/19/100-000-council-homes-at-risk-after-tory-u-turn-115875-22933488/

http://www.examiner.co.uk/views-and-blogs/reader-letters/2011/04/26/a-strange-u-turn-on-green-belt-land-86081-28582490/

Google for "Cameron u-turn" shows 19 million hits. Wow.

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I thought about writing this thread 6 months ago, as a record of the U-Turns... better late than never.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/environment/cameron_u_turn_in_thetford_forest_sell_off_plan_1_804370

http://www.communitycare.co.uk/blogs/service-user-voice/2011/03/u-turn-on-disability-living-allowance-overtaken-by-penny-pinching-over-mobility-component.html

http://www.marklazarowicz.org.uk/government-u-turn-on-housing-benefit-cut-for-long-term-unemploye

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378910/David-Camerons-latest-U-turn-decides-wear-tails-royal-wedding.html

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23864864-coalition-chaos-after-david-cameron-u-turn-on-free-school-milk.do

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/208589/David-Cameron-U-turn-denies-Britain-EU-referendum

http://www.politicalreboot.co.uk/2010/12/camerons-u-turn-on-married-couples.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/8225711/Literary-heavyweights-force-free-books-U-turn.html

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2011/01/15/cameron-u-turn-on-ipsa-will-push-the-tory-fodder-over-the-edge/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/dec/20/u-turn-michael-gove-school-sport-partnership

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224428/Tories-U-turn-Lisbon-Treaty-Cameron-drops-pledge-referendum.html

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/local-news/betrayed_by_u_turn_on_knife_crime_law_1_3009833

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/dec/27/david-cameron-hunting-ban-vote

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/politics/article-23897975-david-cameron-u-turn-over-vanity-staff-on-public-payroll.do

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1355004/British-Legion-accuses-David-Cameron-U-turn-pledge-war-heroes.html

http://www.prweek.com/news/rss/1040864/Governments-immigration-cap-U-turn-show-Cameron-listener/

http://www.hmforces.co.uk/news/articles/6849-david-camerons-army-u-turn

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1297098/David-Cameron-orders-U-turn-taxpayer-funding-prison-parties.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/2011/05/10/taxpayers-foot-the-bill-for-david-cameron-s-u-turn-on-cabinet-meetings-oustide-london-115875-23119506/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/24/cameron-conservatives-compromise-1922-committee

http://www.newsrt.co.uk/news/pm-u-turn-on-plan-to-let-rich-buy-places-at-uni-148040.html

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/187041/David-Cameron-s-u-turn-on-migrants/David-Cameron-s-u-turn-on-migrants

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2011/05/20/government-u-turn-on-coastguard-closures-gives-holyhead-hope-55578-28728619/

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw/news/880674/Cameron-shelves-fund-to-support-companies-using-green-technology.html

http://www.thinkbaby.co.uk/pregnancy-news/david-cameron-breaks-extra-midwives-pledge/3518.html

http://waeshael.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/cameron-a-u-turn-on-multi-culturism/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8331781/Government-accused-of-new-U-turn-over-NHS-reform.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/8512631/Government-accused-of-u-turn-on-ban-on-wild-animals-in-circuses.html

http://waugh.standard.co.uk/2010/08/cams-uturn-on-council-homes-for-life.html

http://www.general-election-2010.co.uk/pm-david-cameron-turns-his-back-on-free-over-60s-bus-pass-election-promise.html

http://thethirdestate.net/2011/01/nick-clegg-in-control-orders-u-turn/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1283435/Cameron-U-turn-rape-case-anonymity-apply-suspects-charged.html

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/191462/Tories-U-turn-on-200m-cancer-drugs-fund

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/05/04/is-the-government-doing-a-u-turn-on-selling-off-public-services/

Some direct HPC turns you might have missed:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/nov/28/housing-benefit-cap-postponed-2012

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/2011/02/19/100-000-council-homes-at-risk-after-tory-u-turn-115875-22933488/

http://www.examiner.co.uk/views-and-blogs/reader-letters/2011/04/26/a-strange-u-turn-on-green-belt-land-86081-28582490/

Google for "Cameron u-turn" shows 19 million hits. Wow.

Do you have a Tory MP? Please send this to them if you do... and any Tory MPs email address you can find.

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There again they'll all claim they're straight forward kinda guys (Cleggie even littered the Embankment for miles around so determined was he to prove he was a straight forward kinda guy before the last election and just to get get the slightest sniff of power).

This makes no sense to me. What do you mean?

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Who really runs the country? A political party voted in or Whitehall?

The latter, Obviously an administration that can change every few years can't run anything.

Please don't act surprised.

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To start with it was a little comical, put down to over eager "new boys" over-promising before they fully understood the situation. Then it became embarrassing and now it is plain funny.

I emailed my Tory MP on Thursday with a selection from that day:

http://www.dailymail...ply-unfair.html

http://www.telegraph...son-policy.html

http://www.pharmatim...HS_reforms.aspx

less than 36 hours later we have:

http://www.dailymail...icy-review.html

http://www.thisismon...=moretopstories

http://www.telegraph...bin-rounds.html

David Cameron was in PR, he must know that this makes them look like a joke.

Even funnier when you think about toilets and 'U' bends!

It's the Westminster/ISIS "Big Stink" (gawd another 'BS'ociety) which would make them "Bog Standard " (flushed with success - not!) :P

"In 1934 Ramsay MacDonald, former Labour politician, reluctantly colluded in the corruption and gave one of Gregory's protectors a knighthood. As Stanley Baldwin, the Tory leader, put it, the alternative was to let Gregory 'stir up such a filthy sewer as would poison public life'. This would have exposed the Royal Commission as a sham."

Yet corruption has always played a part in the 'Mother of Parliaments'. Parliament emerged historically as the instrument of the capitalist class. That may have enabled it to play a heroic part in the struggle against aristocratic and feudal reaction, culminating in the English Revolution of the mid-17th century. But with the emerging capitalists more or less firmly in the saddle thereafter, it has never departed from its role as the servant of that class.

The long history of corruption from that day to this is not an aberration but an expression of this role as different sections of the ruling class have jockeyed for influence with MPs and governments to advance their interests.

Sometimes this involved the most naked forms of corruption. In the 18th century MPs were little more than paid lackeys of the landowners, now thoroughly imbued with the new commercial ethic. Contracts, titles and favours went with the job. Robert Walpole, the Whig prime minister in the first half of the century, regularly used Treasury coffers to pay for support for his government.

Politics was literally the business of a few who could buy votes as they chose. What the vast majority wanted could be safely ignored as there was little sense that parliament represented anything except the interests of the men of property.

That began to change with the growth of radicalism, especially in the first half of the 19th century. Democracy became a force that could not be ignored when it became tied to the mass working class movement of Chartism. The ruling class was forced to concede inroads into what had hitherto been its exclusive debating forum--parliament. Our rulers didn't like the fact that they were more open to public scrutiny. But there was a certain advantage for them. If they could persuade the mass of the population to see parliament as the one and only place for 'politics', then the fact that politics happened elsewhere--in the private debates among judges, generals, chief constables and the captains of industry--could be glossed over.

But to make parliament credibly appear to reflect the interests of society as a whole, the obvious corruption would have to be swept out of view. No more could the election of MPs be secured by bribery or coercion, a relatively frequent occurrence as the novels of Dickens and Trollope show. In the 1870s and 1880s, with the newly enfranchised masses needing to have their respect for parliament confirmed, the Liberal statesman William Gladstone brought in the secret ballot and limited electoral spending.

The myth of MPs' public accountability dates from this period of reform. When Labour entered the scene a little later the myth was confirmed rather than challenged. Yet in reality the corruption continued. Even Gladstone, the reform minded prime minister, sold honours in exchange for cash to fill party coffers, a habit taken up vigorously by his successors, Liberal and Tory alike.

gr000016.jpgMaundy Gregory sold honours Initially the whole process was fairly discreet. But by 1922 the scandal became open. For the previous six years Lloyd George, the Liberal prime minister, had been promising peerages to his cronies--without even bothering to get royal clearance. One baronetcy went to a convicted wartime food racketeer and another was offered to a South African diamond merchant found guilty of serious fraud. The war had been fought for profit and parliament was full of hard faced men who had done well out of it. The scandal could not be toughed out, however, because this was also the period of heightened class antagonism. There had to be an attempt to rehabilitate parliament in the eyes of the masses. A debate in parliament led to the downfall of the government and the setting up of a Royal Commission.

This made not a jot of difference. The network of contacts masterminded by Maundy Gregory, who had been whisked away to France by his Tory backers just as the scandal broke, continued to operate. Several Indian princes were persuaded to part with £3 million in today's money.

Faced with a choice between letting the corruption continue and discrediting parliament in the eyes of the voter, no politician was prepared to tolerate the latter. In 1934 Ramsay MacDonald, former Labour politician, reluctantly colluded in the corruption and gave one of Gregory's protectors a knighthood. As Stanley Baldwin, the Tory leader, put it, the alternative was to let Gregory 'stir up such a filthy sewer as would poison public life'. This would have exposed the Royal Commission as a sham.

After the war, in the context of the long economic boom and absence of political crisis, corruption was a tamer affair. But it did not disappear. It flourished strongly in local government. Financial sleaze connected local government officials and companies anxious to make lucrative contracts out of the massive rebuilding programmes in the inner city areas. The architect John Poulson, whose construction company paid T Dan Smith, Labour leader of Newcastle, a 'fee' of £155,000, was the most well known symbol of much wider corruption. Both went to jail. Poulson's associate, Tory minister Reggie Maudling, resigned in 1972 after being exposed by Paul Foot in Private Eye.

gr000015.jpgJohn Poulson bought ministers But this is small beer compared with the corruption which has swollen over the last 15 years. The Tories have been so long in power that some MPs think they are untouchable, greedy as a result of their government's deregulation and privatisation measures and careless about openly abusing their positions of privilege. The economic crisis has also meant that access to government decision making has become more keenly contested.

This is particularly true of sections of industry like defence and construction eager at any cost to secure lucrative overseas contracts. The stickiest web of corruption involves arms sales to the Middle East and massive projects like the Pergau dam project in Malaysia. The revelations and allegations about Mark Thatcher, Jonathan Aitken, Saudi businessmen and former ministers are only the tip of an exceedingly murky iceberg.

Corruption dogs the institution of parliament, whether in its early days, when it was unreformed and in the possession of a tiny minority, or whether in its maturity, when it was reformed and supposedly the expression of the interests of the majority. For in effect, whether the number of voters is a handful or whether every adult over the age of 18 has a vote, it has never and can never belong to the majority. In a class society, where the economy is owned and controlled by a minority, so too is every political institution, however democratic the appearance.

The levels of corruption may vary, depending on the health of the economy and the degree of political crisis, but corruption and parliament are inseparable. Essentially, parliament is unreformable. But we should not be indifferent to these scandals. They are an expression of the contempt our rulers have for the democracy they pretend to stand for and of their personal abuse of public services while claiming there is "no money for things we need, like health and education".

http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/sr181/jenkins.htm

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Even funnier when you think about toilets and 'U' bends!

It's the Westminster/ISIS "Big Stink" (gawd another 'BS'ociety) which would make them "Bog Standard " (flushed with success - not!) :P

"In 1934 Ramsay MacDonald, former Labour politician, reluctantly colluded in the corruption and gave one of Gregory's protectors a knighthood. As Stanley Baldwin, the Tory leader, put it, the alternative was to let Gregory 'stir up such a filthy sewer as would poison public life'. This would have exposed the Royal Commission as a sham."

I like your lavatorial thinking! :huh:;)

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I like your lavatorial thinking! :huh:;)

shit (v.)

O.E. scitan, from P.Gmc. *skit-, from PIE *skheid- "split, divide, separate." Related to shed (v.) on the notion of "separation" from the body (cf. L. excrementum, from excernere "to separate"). It is thus a cousin to science and conscience. The noun is O.E. scitte "purging;"

conscience

early 13c., from O.Fr. conscience "conscience, innermost thoughts, desires, intentions; feelings" (12c.), from L. conscientia "knowledge within oneself, sense of right, a moral sense," from conscientem (nom. consciens), prp. of conscire "be (mutually) aware," from com- "with," or "thoroughly" (see com-) + scire "to know" (see science). Probably a loan-translation of Gk. syneidesis, lit. "with-knowledge." Sometimes nativized in O.E./M.E. as inwit. Russian also uses a loan-translation, so-vest, "conscience," lit. "with-knowledge."

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Nearly all U turns since he has been in power have been mostly policies that affect some private company, or rich person, all the other policies that havent been u turned have been policies based on the poor. Seems its all out war against the poor of this nation.

Infact West London councils have been preparing to socially cleansing London, most large council estates have been sold for development into parks and mulit millon pound homes.

With female pensions i agree that they should be inline with mens.

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