Jump to content
House Price Crash Forum

Bilderberger Meeting In Switzerland Now On (9-12/6)


Recommended Posts

Obviously you didn't read well, it's a meeting of very powerful people that have complete contempt for democracy, since they believe their power gives them the right to tell politicians what to do (rather than the politicians listening to their voters).

No, I doubt that they do think that. To think that it gives them the right they would have to accept the idea of right and wrong. It gives them the ability, and they're perfectly happy with that. They can do it, so screw whether they've got any right to or not.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 81
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

On a more serious note, a lot of people want to believe that a malevolent secret cabal are running everything. As horrible as that option is, it's preferable to the truth. The truth is that the people in charge are as clueless as the rest of us and the canoe really is heading for the edge of the waterfall.

Better to blame the lizard people....

I find it peculiar how threads like this one, that try to factually inform about and discuss the dealings of the world's most powerful persons, always attract "it's alright nothing to see here, you are all conspiracy theorists" posts from people who very rarely post on HPC.co.uk...

What did the moderators say a few weeks ago? This forum attracts a lot of shills...

The world's most powerful must be shitting themselves...

Link to post
Share on other sites

Back on subject:

Several swiss mainstream newspapers are reporting about the "secrect" Bilderberger meeting this year:

(all in German obviously)

Tagesanzeiger:

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/standard/LegaNordPolitiker-sorgt-fuer-Eklat-bei-den-Bilderbergern/story/17827138

20minutes:

http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/story/Das-lange-Warten-auf-die-Bilderberger-19613194

http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/story/Heute-trifft-sich-die--geheime-Weltregierung--28911256

http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/story/29329856

Anyone spotted any UK/US newspaper reports about this meeting (other than the guardian)?

I find it a step forward that newspapers start to report about it, what's missing so far though is any kind of criticism from the MSM about the secrecy combined with the fact that elected politicians are involved, which completely undermines democratic principles.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I find it peculiar how threads like this one, that try to factually inform about and discuss the dealings of the world's most powerful persons, always attract "it's alright nothing to see here, you are all conspiracy theorists" posts from people who very rarely post on HPC.co.uk...

What did the moderators say a few weeks ago? This forum attracts a lot of shills...

The world's most powerful must be shitting themselves...

You see, this is the problem with this stuff. It's all unprovable assertions.

Someone posts something which, whether you agree with it or not, is a perfectly rational opinion, and you say they're a shill. Tada! You've just upped the conspiracy level!

Do you understand why this methodology might give some people a problem?

Link to post
Share on other sites

I find it peculiar how threads like this one, that try to factually inform about and discuss the dealings of the world's most powerful persons, always attract "it's alright nothing to see here, you are all conspiracy theorists" posts from people who very rarely post on HPC.co.uk...

I average 1 post every 2 days. This could be for any of the following reasons;

1. As you suggested, I'm a shill, and I only post what the dark overlords tell me to post.

2. I hold down a job, have a family etc, which limits the amount of time I spend on forums like HPC.

3. I don't post the first thing that comes to mind, and I try to add value/humour to a thread.

Link to post
Share on other sites

...I think the BG are, in the scheme of things, relatively harmless. I'm far more scared of stupidity than I am of competence.

I think that anyone who thinks that the BG is like a gentleman's club where the powerful of this planet simply get together to catch up with friends and do a little business and forward planning without the eyes of the world disturbing them is naive in the extreme (IMHO).

As others have said, this meeting represents an elitist antipathy towards democracy. It is a concentration of undemocratic power where the interests of less than 1% of the global population are debated and forwarded, and if this is to the detriment of the other 99% then this is only of concern to the extent that they obviously want to avoid bloody revolutions. In my view, politicians are there to take their orders for the coming year (or to phrase it in a less paranoid conspiracist way - "listen to wise words"!).

On a lighter note, these sort of discussions always remind me of a great Bill Hicks joke where he is musing on a possible scenario for the initiation of new US presidents...

....the new US president is ushered into a darkened room where he can just make out the silhouettes of a dozen or so late-middle aged men in suits, sitting around a table puffing on cigars. One of the men tells the president to sit down...

Suddenly a projector screen lowers and a film begins to play...the president sees an open-topped limousine driving down a street and soon realises that he's watching footage of the JFK assassination.

He also realises that the footage has been shot from an angle different to all those that have been shown on TV, probably from somewhere near to the grassy knoll!

Just as JFK's head explodes, the film cuts to black, the screen is raised and the man says to the president..."any questions?"

:lol:

Link to post
Share on other sites

You see, this is the problem with this stuff. It's all unprovable assertions.

The unprovable assertions are the ones by those posters here clearly attempting to drag this thread into the conspiracy theory corner.

The Bilderberg meeting is taking place right now: FACT

The participants are people in very powerful positions: FACT

They have been doing this annually for the last 50 odd years in absolute secrecy: FACT

Someone posts something which, whether you agree with it or not, is a perfectly rational opinion, and you say they're a shill. Tada! You've just upped the conspiracy level!

It wasn't an opinion at all, it was a clear attempt to ridicule the idea that 100+ very powerful people meeting in secret is a significant event.

Anyone with half a brain will inevitably conclude that they don't just meet for a coffee and a social chat...

Anyway back on subject:

Here is this year's (incomplete) unofficial participants list according to a major swiss daily newspaper:

http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/story/Dies-ist-die--geheime--Teilnehmerliste-30440710

Belgium

# Coene, Luc, Governor, National Bank of Belgium

# Davignon, Etienne, Minister of State

# Leysen, Thomas, Chairman, Umicore

China

# Fu, Ying, Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs

# Huang, Yiping, Professor of Economics, China Center for Economic Research, Peking University

Denmark

# Eldrup, Anders, CEO, DONG Energy

# Federspiel, Ulrik, Vice President, Global Affairs, Haldor Topsøe A/S

# Schütze, Peter, Member of the Executive Management, Nordea Bank AB

Germany

# Ackermann, Josef, Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank

# Enders, Thomas, CEO, Airbus SAS

# Löscher, Peter, President and CEO, Siemens AG

# Nass, Matthias, Chief International Correspondent, Die Zeit

# Steinbrück, Peer, Member of the Bundestag; Former Minister of Finance

Finnland

# Apunen, Matti, Director, Finnish Business and Policy Forum EVA

# Johansson, Ole, Chairman, Confederation of the Finnish Industries EK

# Ollila, Jorma, Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell

# Pentikäinen, Mikael, Publisher and Senior Editor-in-Chief, Helsingin Sanomat

France

# Baverez, Nicolas, Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP

# Bazire, Nicolas, Managing Director, Groupe Arnault /LVMH

# Castries, Henri de, Chairman and CEO, AXA

# Lévy, Maurice, Chairman and CEO, Publicis Groupe S.A.

# Montbrial, Thierry de, President, French Institute for International Relations

# Roy, Olivier, Professor of Social and Political Theory, European University Institute

UK

# Agius, Marcus, Chairman, Barclays PLC

# Flint, Douglas J., Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings

# Kerr, John, Member, House of Lords; Deputy Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell

# Lambert, Richard, Independent Non-Executive Director, Ernst & Young

# Mandelson, Peter, Member, House of Lords; Chairman, Global Counsel

# Micklethwait, John, Editor-in-Chief, The Economist

# Osborne, George, Chancellor of the Exchequer

# Stewart, Rory, Member of Parliament

# Taylor, J. Martin, Chairman, Syngenta International AG

Greece

# David, George A., Chairman, Coca-Cola H.B.C. S.A.

# Hardouvelis, Gikas A., Chief Economist and Head of Research, Eurobank EFG

# Papaconstantinou, George, Minister of Finance

# Tsoukalis, Loukas, President, ELIAMEP Grisons

International Organisations

# Almunia, Joaquín, Vice President, European Commission

# Daele, Frans van, Chief of Staff to the President of the European Council

# Kroes, Neelie, Vice President, European Commission; Commissioner for Digital Agenda

# Lamy, Pascal, Director General, World Trade Organization

# Rompuy, Herman van, President, European Council

# Sheeran, Josette, Executive Director, United Nations World Food Programme

# Solana Madariaga, Javier, President, ESADEgeo Center for Global Economy and Geopolitics

# Trichet, Jean-Claude, President, European Central Bank

# Zoellick, Robert B., President, The World Bank Group

Ireland

# Gallagher, Paul, Senior Counsel; Former Attorney General

# McDowell, Michael, Senior Counsel, Law Library; Former Deputy Prime Minister

# Sutherland, Peter D., Chairman, Goldman Sachs International

Italy

# Bernabè, Franco, CEO, Telecom Italia SpA

# Elkann, John, Chairman, Fiat S.p.A.

# Monti, Mario, President, Univers Commerciale Luigi Bocconi

# Scaroni, Paolo, CEO, Eni S.p.A.

# Tremonti, Giulio, Minister of Economy and Finance

Canada

# Carney, Mark J., Governor, Bank of Canada

# Clark, Edmund, President and CEO, TD Bank Financial Group

# McKenna, Frank, Deputy Chair, TD Bank Financial Group

# Orbinksi, James, Professor of Medicine and Political Science, University of Toronto

# Prichard, J. Robert S., Chair, Torys LLP

# Reisman, Heather, Chair and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc. Center, Brookings Institution

Nederlands

# Bolland, Marc J., Chief Executive, Marks and Spencer Group plc

# Chavannes, Marc E., Political Columnist, NRC Handelsblad; Professor of Journalism

# Halberstadt, Victor, Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings

# H.M. the Queen of the Netherlands

# Rosenthal, Uri, Minister of Foreign Affairs

# Winter, Jaap W., Partner, De Brauw Blackstone Westbroek

Norway

# Myklebust, Egil, Former Chairman of the Board of Directors SAS, sk Hydro ASA

# H.R.H. Crown Prince Haakon of Norway

# Ottersen, Ole Petter, Rector, University of Oslo

# Solberg, Erna, Leader of the Conservative Party

Austria

# Bronner, Oscar, CEO and Publisher, Standard Medien AG

# Faymann, Werner, Federal Chancellor

# Rothensteiner, Walter, Chairman of the Board, Raiffeisen Zentralbank Österreich AG

# Scholten, Rudolf, Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG

Portugal

# Balsemão, Francisco Pinto, Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Former Prime Minister

# Ferreira Alves, Clara, CEO, Claref LDA; writer

# Nogueira Leite, António, Member of the Board, José de Mello Investimentos, SGPS, SA

Russia

# Mordashov, Alexey A., CEO, Severstal

Sweden

# Bildt, Carl, Minister of Foreign Affairs

# Björling, Ewa, Minister for Trade

# Wallenberg, Jacob, Chairman, Investor AB

Switzerland

# Brabeck-Letmathe, Peter, Chairman, Nestlé S.A.

# Groth, Hans, Senior Director, Healthcare Policy & Market Access, Oncology Business Unit, Pfizer Europe

# Janom Steiner, Barbara, Head of the Department of Justice, Security and Health, Canton

# Kudelski, André, Chairman and CEO, Kudelski Group SA

# Leuthard, Doris, Federal Councillor

# Schmid, Martin, President, Government of the Canton Grisons

# Schweiger, Rolf, Ständerat

# Soiron, Rolf, Chairman of the Board, Holcim Ltd., Lonza Ltd.

# Vasella, Daniel L., Chairman, Novartis AG

# Witmer, Jürg, Chairman, Givaudan SA and Clariant AG

Spain

# Cebrián, Juan Luis, CEO, PRISA

# Cospedal, María Dolores de, Secretary General, Partido Popular

# León Gross, Bernardino, Secretary General of the Spanish Presidency

# Nin Génova, Juan María, President and CEO, La Caixa

# H.M. the Queen of Spain

Turkey

# Ciliv, Süreyya, CEO, Turkcell Iletisim Hizmetleri A.S.

# Gülek Domac, Tayyibe, Former Minister of State

# Koç, Mustafa V., Chairman, Koç Holding A.S.

# Pekin, Sefika, Founding Partner, Pekin & Bayar Law Firm

USA

# Alexander, Keith B., Commander, USCYBERCOM; Director, National Security Agency

# Altman, Roger C., Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc.

# Bezos, Jeff, Founder and CEO, Amazon.com

# Collins, Timothy C., CEO, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC

# Feldstein, Martin S., George F. Baker Professor of Economics, Harvard University

# Hoffman, Reid, Co-founder and Executive Chairman, LinkedIn

# Hughes, Chris R., Co-founder, Facebook

# Jacobs, Kenneth M., Chairman & CEO, Lazard

# Johnson, James A., Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC

# Jordan, Jr., Vernon E., Senior Managing Director, Lazard Frères & Co. LLC

# Keane, John M., Senior Partner, SCP Partners; General, US Army, Retired

# Kissinger, Henry A., Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc

.

# Kleinfeld, Klaus, Chairman and CEO, Alcoa

# Kravis, Henry R., Co-Chairman and co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis, Roberts & Co.

# Kravis, Marie-Josée, Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute, Inc.

# Li, Cheng, Senior Fellow and Director of Research, John L. Thornton China Center, Brookings Institution

# Mundie, Craig J., Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation

# Orszag, Peter R., Vice Chairman, Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

# Perle, Richard N., Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research

# Rockefeller, David, Former Chairman, Chase Manhattan Bank

# Rose, Charlie, Executive Editor and Anchor, Charlie Rose

# Rubin, Robert E., Co-Chairman, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury

# Schmidt, Eric, Executive Chairman, Google Inc.

# Steinberg, James B., Deputy Secretary of State

# Thiel, Peter A., President, Clarium Capital Management, LLC

# Varney, Christine A., Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust

# Vaupel, James W., Founding Director, Max Planck Institute for Demographic Research

# Warsh, Kevin, Former Governor, Federal Reserve Board

# Wolfensohn, James D., Chairman, Wolfensohn & Company, LLC

Edited by wise_eagle
Link to post
Share on other sites

So, basically, they're a bit shite at it.

Well, quite possibly yes!

But there are also times when uprisings are good for the agenda I imagine....I haven't really followed these recent 'Arab Spring' events as closely as I would like to, but there certainly seems to be a few signs of outside interference, especially in Libya - perhaps Gadaffi was getting too big for his boots with his dreams of leading Africa into a unified gold currency etc.?

I think the other thing to remember is that this group probably doesn't operate with complete hegemony of ideas - I'm sure there is a hierarchy within it and power-struggles between old and new money or other factions. But while they may quibble over petty details I do think that there are overarching themes on which there is broad agreement, and I'm fairly confident that these aren't going to be things that are designed to benefit you and me :ph34r:

Link to post
Share on other sites

Not concerned so much about who attends, I'm more interested to know what the topics of discussion are this year but have yet to find anything on the subject. This is imo the real eye opener.

Global businesses dont have to panda to the electorate so "policies" are enabled more quickly hence the question to find out what this years agenda is. :)

I agree, maybe we should all contact our MPs to ask them to demand a public report in parliament by George Osborne (who is attending) about this three day meeting.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I think the other thing to remember is that this group probably doesn't operate with complete hegemony of ideas - I'm sure there is a hierarchy within it and power-struggles between old and new money or other factions. But while they may quibble over petty details I do think that there are overarching themes on which there is broad agreement, and I'm fairly confident that these aren't going to be things that are designed to benefit you and me :ph34r:

If you listen to that interesting BBC R4 recording posted earlier in this thread it actually says there is an inner circle of 30 odd people and the hierarchy in these meeting is that it's mostly the bankster representants and the corporate heads leading and the politicians listening.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree, maybe we should all contact our MPs to ask them to demand a public report in parliament by George Osborne (who is attending) about this three day meeting.

"...and then when I had finished swallowing I refer you to the answer I gave a few moments ago..."

Link to post
Share on other sites

UK

# Agius, Marcus, Chairman, Barclays PLC

# Flint, Douglas J., Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings

# Kerr, John, Member, House of Lords; Deputy Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell

# Lambert, Richard, Independent Non-Executive Director, Ernst & Young

# Mandelson, Peter, Member, House of Lords; Chairman, Global Counsel

# Micklethwait, John, Editor-in-Chief, The Economist

# Osborne, George, Chancellor of the Exchequer

# Stewart, Rory, Member of Parliament

# Taylor, J. Martin, Chairman, Syngenta International AG

Oh, Mandleslime, Osborne, Big Banks and Big Oil. What honest characters, what could they possibly be discussing in secret, other than how to make the world better for us proles. :lol::lol:

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm reliably told that Injin is the keynote speaker this year.

Well that's what I heard :o)

On a more serious note, a lot of people want to believe that a malevolent secret cabal are running everything. As horrible as that option is, it's preferable to the truth. The truth is that the people in charge are as clueless as the rest of us and the canoe really is heading for the edge of the waterfall.

Better to blame the lizard people....

A cabal of fools is even more of a danger than a cabal of evil, and all the more reason to expose and stop them.

Link to post
Share on other sites

The Bilderburger meeting is not where it's at.

In fact, the place where it's at is not even at where the people who know the Bilderburger meeting is not where it's at think it's at. It's at somewhere else.

Same with Area 51.

you mean its a Schroedingers meeting, both there and not there until it is observed?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • 415 Brexit, House prices and Summer 2020

    1. 1. Including the effects Brexit, where do you think average UK house prices will be relative to now in June 2020?


      • down 5% +
      • down 2.5%
      • Even
      • up 2.5%
      • up 5%



×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.