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BC1 22:35->23:35 BST Tue 7th June

Various examples shown of children living in very damp accommodation... I would have thought it would be council accommodation and thus the council would fix it... Private landlords maybe?

So pathetic that you can have children living in such poor conditions surrounded by adults that are have not got work.

What a waste; time for a change maybe?

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BC1 22:35->23:35 BST Tue 7th June

Various examples shown of children living in very damp accommodation... I would have thought it would be council accommodation and thus the council would fix it...

So pathetic that you can have children living in such poor conditions surrounded by adults that are have not got work.

What a waste; time for a change maybe?

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...no no ...not Karl....keep him in Highgate....just vote out your useless councils who focus on their monthly take home cheque and sit and plan their next salary increase ...you are responsible with your vote ...or because you did not vote.... :rolleyes:

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BC1 22:35->23:35 BST Tue 7th June

Various examples shown of children living in very damp accommodation... I would have thought it would be council accommodation and thus the council would fix it... Private landlords maybe? their parents would make an effort to improve the family situation.

So pathetic that you can have children living in such poor conditions surrounded by adults that are have not got the slightest intention of getting work.

What a waste; time for a change to reform welfare so work pays maybe?

I removed the socialism from your post and added in personal responsibility.

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BC1 22:35->23:35 BST Tue 7th June

Various examples shown of children living in very damp accommodation... I would have thought it would be council accommodation and thus the council would fix it... Private landlords maybe?

So pathetic that you can have children living in such poor conditions surrounded by adults that are have not got work.

What a waste; time for a change maybe?

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Hahahaha! Like the USSR provided such great accommodation for the proles?

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There were huge building programs and millions were lifted out of poverty we can't imagine, then is all started to go wrong.

Look at the facilities in Chernobyl (in the documentaries they make when they return to the ghost town), children's play grounds, sport halls etc.. For the average worker life was in many ways better there than in a 1980's mining village in the north of England.

Our system of resource allocation is now also failing.

Hahahaha! Like the USSR provided such great accommodation for the proles?

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There were huge building programs and millions were lifted out of poverty we can't imagine, then is all started to go wrong.

Look at the facilities in Chernobyl (in the documentaries they make when they return to the ghost town), children's play grounds, sport halls etc.. For the average worker life was in many ways better there than in a 1980's mining village in the north of England.

Our system of resource allocation is now also failing.

there you have it, you compared a worker in a newly built facility with a specific case in a small run-down part of the west

and I don't believe that the average worker in the USSR was half so well off as you suggest

hear this if you try to bring down our democracy then we will bring you down

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millions were lifted out of poverty

For exactly the same reason so many are in poverty in Britain today. Statist VI's change the definition.

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BC1 22:35->23:35 BST Tue 7th June

Various examples shown of children living in very damp accommodation... I would have thought it would be council accommodation and thus the council would fix it... Private landlords maybe?

So pathetic that you can have children living in such poor conditions surrounded by adults that are have not got work.

What a waste; time for a change maybe?

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I agree. Change is coming, its all round us. Just won't happen overnight, is all.

To late for the poor little things in that programme though.

Makes me physically sick to see what we do to people in the name of economics, price stability, so called prudence: money basically.

Even sicker to see people so deluded that they think the situation of these kids is just down to HPI and Gordon Brown - basically - someone else's fault, not me guv.

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Well the good thing about communism is that everybody gets a job, but the jobs are 10 doormen to every 1 hotel door. :unsure:

North Korea and Cuba have high employment no?

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I agree. Change is coming, its all round us. Just won't happen overnight, is all.

To late for the poor little things in that programme though.

Makes me physically sick to see what we do to people in the name of economics, price stability, so called prudence: money basically.

Even sicker to see people so deluded that they think the situation of these kids is just down to HPI and Gordon Brown - basically - someone else's fault, not me guv.

even more bewildering to think that people like yourself consider a 'change' can fix things.

There will always be some sh*t and effective improvement will come in small steps

socialist idealists just make things worse

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problem clearly isn't money, we know current benifit levels if you have kids are enough to live an ok life. These families are struggling due to other reasons, alcohol, drugs, and debt.i noticed two flatscreens and a pc in the lounge. But the family said they struggled to eat due to poverty. On dad had red nose, the other mum, well watch it

There was a big substory in each family which wad obscured by a massive political message. I would have liked to have seen the finances on screen to put it into context. I want to see income vs costs..

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problem clearly isn't money, we know current benifit levels if you have kids are enough to live an ok life. These families are struggling due to other reasons, alcohol, drugs, and debt.i noticed two flatscreens and a pc in the lounge. But the family said they struggled to eat due to poverty. On dad had red nose, the other mum, well watch it

There was a big substory in each family which wad obscured by a massive political message. I would have liked to have seen the finances on screen to put it into context. I want to see income vs costs..

2 flatscreens!

you woulda thought they could sell them on ebay using the PC...

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Even sicker to see people so deluded that they think the situation of these kids is just down to HPI and Gordon Brown - basically - someone else's fault, not me guv.

Do you Socialists think that parents are reasponsible for their own kids situation at all? Or is it just up to the state to destroy the free market incentives to produce and have people live in fear of the secret police. Then everything will be perfect. Just like in the living hell that was the USSR?

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There were huge building programs and millions were lifted out of poverty we can't imagine, then is all started to go wrong.

Look at the facilities in Chernobyl (in the documentaries they make when they return to the ghost town), children's play grounds, sport halls etc.. For the average worker life was in many ways better there than in a 1980's mining village in the north of England.

Our system of resource allocation is now also failing.

um it was a show off town, nice to show off and look after important workers in a very important sector. Far from the norm

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North Korea and Cuba have high employment no?

I don't know. I looked North Korea up but it said NA%. :rolleyes:

Instead of lassaiz-faire a better system would be some sort of National Capitalism. Where the free market would be allowed to operate until a time where the national welfare was threatened. So no free trade outsourcing to virtual slave countries, no immigrants doing jobs that a young British could be trained to do, no banks allowed to grow big enough to cause depressions when they fail. The problem is it would quickly fail under democracy, and would need to be operated like some form of Pinochet's Chile to work, or at least get off the ground, and there will be too many vested interests against it.

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I don't know. I looked North Korea up but it said NA%. :rolleyes:

Instead of lassaiz-faire a better system would be some sort of National Capitalism. Where the free market would be allowed to operate until a time where the national welfare was threatened. So no free trade outsourcing to virtual slave countries, no immigrants doing jobs that a young British could be trained to do, no banks allowed to grow big enough to cause depressions when they fail. The problem is it would quickly fail under democracy, and would need to be operated like some form of Pinochet's Chile to work, or at least get off the ground, and there will be too many vested interests against it.

Just anothet kind of central planning.

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problem clearly isn't money, we know current benifit levels if you have kids are enough to live an ok life. These families are struggling due to other reasons, alcohol, drugs, and debt.i noticed two flatscreens and a pc in the lounge. But the family said they struggled to eat due to poverty. On dad had red nose, the other mum, well watch it

There was a big substory in each family which wad obscured by a massive political message. I would have liked to have seen the finances on screen to put it into context. I want to see income vs costs..

One of the problems is the systems is so complex because basically it is designed to keep those running it in jobs - not to help these families

The guy with the daughter at college initially said he no longer received child benefit for his daughter because she had turned 16.

The fact is he is entitled to child benefit for her until she is 19 if she is in full time education.

He can also claim child tax credits for her

and she could have got £30 quid a week EMA

also if she is still in school she would get free school meals worth £10 a week approx.

Also the the parent was not claiming free school meals for the boy either which would have been another £400 quid towards school uniform - which you can get grants for in any case.

The amount of money quoted for tax credits was thousands per annum less than they should have been receiving

And there was also no mention of the family receiving income support ???????

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even more bewildering to think that people like yourself consider a 'change' can fix things.

the system already is changing itself. It has no option otherwise it would collapse.

QE, and the initiatives that will follow, are painted as approaches that aim to prop up the status quo but the reality is that they are fatally undermining the ability to return to the old ways. In fact, things have already progressed far too far along to change direction.

Not that a "change of direction" was ever really possible.

I make a point to avoid talking about fixes, "take my patent economic elixir and all will be well as can be eventually" since as you observe that's all bullsh1t.

I just talk about the changes I see happening and how I think they'll pan out. If a secular civilisational move towards socialism is the nearest equilibrium to the current situation, then no doubt that's where we'll go. I don't advocate that and actually I don't think its likely, but the future is certainly going to shred the quaint cultural and economic "certainties" advanced by both mainstream economists and the typical HPC-er.

Not before time, either.

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Having known many people from the DDR, their feelings were that life there was not so bad, there were good and bad points just like there are for us; they liked the toys and the freedom of expression the west had but they crave the stability and support the old system gave them.

Again: it is clear the current system of resource allocation is falling apart, what will replace it will be a form of social democracy.

um it was a show off town, nice to show off and look after important workers in a very important sector. Far from the norm

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Oh and one other thing

Why wasn't the BBC making documentaries like this for the 13 years Labour were in power?

Because this is when the poor were getting poorer and millions got caught in the benefits trap while the middle class champagne Socialists lined their own pockets.

:angry:

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Just anothet kind of central planning.

Well it is already planned now, in the interests of Banks and Big business. The LibLabCon all follow the same agendas set by supranational orgs like the EU and G20, which themselves are directed by Bilderberg, Trilateral, etc.

There is of course always the Pure Free Market, the coming of which we all eagerly await (along with the second coming of Jesus).

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For the average worker life [in Chernobyl] was in many ways better there than in a 1980's mining village in the north of England.

Still is.

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Good post!

Looking at the debt levels and seeing how this country will get poorer in the next few years it is clear we can't pay it back and it's just kicking the can a little further down the street.

the system already is changing itself. It has no option otherwise it would collapse.

QE, and the initiatives that will follow, are painted as approaches that aim to prop up the status quo but the reality is that they are fatally undermining the ability to return to the old ways. In fact, things have already progressed far too far along to change direction.

Not that a "change of direction" was ever really possible.

I make a point to avoid talking about fixes, "take my patent economic elixir and all will be well as can be eventually" since as you observe that's all bullsh1t.

I just talk about the changes I see happening and how I think they'll pan out. If a secular civilisational move towards socialism is the nearest equilibrium to the current situation, then no doubt that's where we'll go. I don't advocate that and actually I don't think its likely, but the future is certainly going to shred the quaint cultural and economic "certainties" advanced by both mainstream economists and the typical HPC-er.

Not before time, either.

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problem clearly isn't money, we know current benifit levels if you have kids are enough to live an ok life. These families are struggling due to other reasons, alcohol, drugs, and debt.i noticed two flatscreens and a pc in the lounge. But the family said they struggled to eat due to poverty. On dad had red nose, the other mum, well watch it

There was a big substory in each family which wad obscured by a massive political message. I would have liked to have seen the finances on screen to put it into context. I want to see income vs costs..

+1

There was something not right about the father. Doubt he was being straight with us. His nose was indeed red and IMO there was a sobriety issue or lack of in this case.

His maths didn't add up either. He said £150 fortnight dole and £50 a week tax credit then added £70-80 a week isn't alot to live on. I make it £125 which is coincidentally the same as my weekly housekeeping and like him I get my housing and council tax paid for (don't bite, it's Mrs Posh not the State).

Anyway, my two kids most certainly do not starve... wholesome food is plentiful in my HH and I have nappies taking a huge chunk out of my budget.

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