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The Ministry of Defence is set to double the number of civilian jobs it will cut this year to 8,000, union leaders have warned.

Prospect said it had learnt that the ministry was about to announce it will let 8,000 civilian staff go on early release in 2011/12.

National officer Steve Jary described the move as incomprehensible, saying: ‘A few weeks ago the MoD ruled out any increase on the 4,000 figure this year, saying it would be too risky to let more staff go in the operational climate.

‘Suddenly it is seized with panic and doubles the scale of job losses before it has even got approval from the Treasury to pay the redundancy bills. There is absolutely no justification for rushing through these damaging cuts other than to meet the Treasury’s budget targets.’

Prospect said the MoD originally planned to lose 4,000 civilian posts in 2011/12, 8,000 in 2012/13 and 3,500 in 2013/14, adding that another 5,000 posts would be lost by privatisation.

A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: ‘The overall number of civil servants being reduced has not changed and remains at 25,000 over four years. Owing to the high number of applications received for the voluntary early release scheme, we are looking at whether we can release more people earlier than intended.’

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They don't need to worry, those with mortgages will just have their inability to service them conveniently overlooked by the banks and be allowed to carry on living there for free. Don't want those holes in the balance sheets showing up now do we?

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They are also scrapping planes for spares that had only had a major refit 12months ago as well.

reminds me ogf when I sold a brand new pair of trainers for 1/3 of what I paid due to a bill

you have to make ends meet

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They are also scrapping planes for spares that had only had a major refit 12months ago as well.

Which planes?

Edit: Apart from that, it sounds like these are voluntary redundancies mainly = big payout, probably early retirement for those over 50ish. Not too bad if you can take advantage of it.

Chances are you'll still be able to work as a contractor as well, since the MOD might just find out that it needs your knowledge anyway.

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I would expect that while the jobs will 'go' they will simply be farmed off to one of the big corporate public sector replacement outsourcers.

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Good, I'm amazed by the amount of useless ******s Serco has on its payroll getting military benefits with none of the drawbacks. Next up hopefully some Police force.

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They can afford to lose 8000 due to the large number of soldies who are being retained by the army but who, due to combat unjuries, are no longer fit for combat.

They can't sack them just because they've lost a leg, so they give them desk jobs.

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Which planes?

Edit: Apart from that, it sounds like these are voluntary redundancies mainly = big payout, probably early retirement for those over 50ish. Not too bad if you can take advantage of it.

Chances are you'll still be able to work as a contractor as well, since the MOD might just find out that it needs your knowledge anyway.

These for a start £Billions of taxpayers hard earned down the pan and these aircraft barley saw the outside of the assembly hanger.

MRA4 BAE Systems Nimrod MRA4 Main article: BAE Systems Nimrod MRA4 The Nimrod MRA4 was intended to replace the capability provided by the MR2. It was essentially a new aircraft, with current-generation Rolls-Royce BR710 turbofan engines, a new larger wing, and fully refurbished fuselage. However the project was subject to delays, cost over-runs, and contract re-negotiations. It was cancelled in 2010 as a result of the Strategic Defence and Security Review at which point it was £789 million over-budget and nine years late.[12] The prototype aircraft, produced at a cost of over £1bn each, have been scrapped.[13]

Talking to a mate of mine yesterday works in the cargo area of Heathrow, say the import levels are falling back to what they were just before the big recession hit. Asks 'what recovery' (not particularly clued up on economics) the government are on about as things are as bad as they always were and getting worse..

Seems to me the Government are anticipating a huge drop in taxation revenue coming into the exchequer and are cutting their cloth appropriately.

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Talking to a mate of mine yesterday works in the cargo area of Heathrow, say the import levels are falling back to what they were just before the big recession hit. Asks 'what recovery' (not particularly clued up on economics) the government are on about as things are as bad as they always were and getting worse..

Seems to me the Government are anticipating a huge drop in taxation revenue coming into the exchequer and are cutting their cloth appropriately.

They tried to bluuf the austerty measures and complicity in the central bank zero interest rate spend and pretend policy - which is the same as the previous government and central bankers had tried.

Will end in dismal and total failure - they have now screwed the finances of an even larger proportion of the population - possibly the majority, rather than just let the overleveraged idiots take the hit. The inflation they have intentional caused will (and now is) crippling discretionary expenditure.

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OK - but VERS (voluntary early release scheme) is not compulsory. Many people's application are probably little more than kite flying to see how much they might get, as an option / fall back position.

The MoD were after 4000 to go on VERS this year and ended up with 14000 applicants (about 20% of the workforce) but with few job opportunities outside how many will actually accept offers made under the VERS scheme, will they actually get 8000 ?

This has some way to run yet.

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OK - but VERS (voluntary early release scheme) is not compulsory. Many people's application are probably little more than kite flying to see how much they might get, as an option / fall back position.

The MoD were after 4000 to go on VERS this year and ended up with 14000 applicants (about 20% of the workforce) but with few job opportunities outside how many will actually accept offers made under the VERS scheme, will they actually get 8000 ?

This has some way to run yet.

The VERS terms appear generous. Many more MoD professionals would have jumped at the chance to apply, but couldn't because they have skills that would need to be replaced so couldn't get line manager approval to apply. MoD are probably embarassed that VERS was so oversubscribed. Needless to say, the most reliable and productive team members will be over-represented in the pool of people being allowed to leave with bulging wallets.

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These for a start £Billions of taxpayers hard earned down the pan and these aircraft barley saw the outside of the assembly hanger.

MRA4 BAE Systems Nimrod MRA4 Main article: BAE Systems Nimrod MRA4 The Nimrod MRA4 was intended to replace the capability provided by the MR2. It was essentially a new aircraft, with current-generation Rolls-Royce BR710 turbofan engines, a new larger wing, and fully refurbished fuselage. However the project was subject to delays, cost over-runs, and contract re-negotiations. It was cancelled in 2010 as a result of the Strategic Defence and Security Review at which point it was £789 million over-budget and nine years late.[12] The prototype aircraft, produced at a cost of over £1bn each, have been scrapped.[13]

Talking to a mate of mine yesterday works in the cargo area of Heathrow, say the import levels are falling back to what they were just before the big recession hit. Asks 'what recovery' (not particularly clued up on economics) the government are on about as things are as bad as they always were and getting worse..

Seems to me the Government are anticipating a huge drop in taxation revenue coming into the exchequer and are cutting their cloth appropriately.

Oh no, not those again. They should have been cancelled about a decade ago but were spared due to the last governments inability to actually make any decisions with respect to defence spending.

Did you know they were originally going to be called Nimrod 2000 - as in, they were meant to be ready by 2000? The original airframes were hand-made, based on the DeHavilland Comet. The new wings therefore had to made individually because each plane has different measurements - no cost savings from mass-manufacturing like with modern Airbus or Boeings (or even modern military jets).

Google a bit more about the actual project to get more background before parroting bad reporting from the mainstream newspapers.

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Hercules - I don't really know about these, but it does seem a bit daft. I guess there is some politics involved though - aren't they meant to be replaced by the new (but late and over-budget of course) A400M?

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The VERS terms appear generous. Many more MoD professionals would have jumped at the chance to apply, but couldn't because they have skills that would need to be replaced so couldn't get line manager approval to apply. MoD are probably embarassed that VERS was so oversubscribed. Needless to say, the most reliable and productive team members will be over-represented in the pool of people being allowed to leave with bulging wallets.

It all depends on perspective, relative to many in the private sector VERS is undoubtedly quite generous, but compared to those in the financial sector, who had a large part in creating the mess we all now collectively have to deal with, less so.

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