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Anybody Read Moscow Nights?

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Looking for opinions and help as I've had a falling out with a friend over this book. I don't wish to elaborate in my OP if no-one knows what I'm talking about.

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Seems no-one knows of this book (not surprised) so can I ask how people would define 'a bit risque' in terms of literature? and would you agree that many mainstream novels have some passages that could be termed a bit risque? i.e the sex bits.

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This book is pornographic and depraved (in my opinion). I could give you a link to an excerpt, but it really is gross. I am female and was outraged to be given the book by a male friend. In fact I would value your opinion on whether it exceeds being 'a bit risque' (his words).

So are you okay with me giving you the link?

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Yeah send us the link, I've read Jackie Collins :lol: so will be interesting to see. I'm always trying to understand why things occur especially human behaviour as some of it translates well into computer AI although in this instance I doubt sexual behaviour could be translated. ;)

Ok. There is a lot of sexual stuff in the book but the link just gives some minor sex references compared to the rest of the book. I only got as far as the first four pages when given the book, but I did flick through the rest of it and could see by keywords that the book was littered with porn (IMO) To give you some idea of it's content read from pages 143 - 148. I'm not quite sure what you'd call these particular passages apart from grossly offensive, obscene and depraved. As far as I'm concerned that just sums up the whole book.

I don't actually care particularly what other people read or watch, that's their business, but I don't want to be confronted with it, as I have been.

So be aware people don't click on the link unless you are prepared for what you will be reading - It might sound like I'm making a huge fuss but I think I'm right in doing so.

http://books.google.com/books?id=pmGUAwWp3NAC&pg=PA104&vq="From+time+to+time+one+or+the+other+of+them+would+make+a+slip+and+get+sent"&source=gbs_quotes_r&cad=6#v=onepage&q=%22From%20time%20to%20time%20one%20or%20the%20other%20of%20them%20would%20make%20a%20slip%20and%20get%20sent%22&f=true

Edited to shorten link - didn't work so had to use long link

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I often here women say that when they are in a group they are much more explicit than men and that men wouldn't believe what women say to each other. I have always been of the opinion that it is rather the opposite and men plunge much further when it comes to what they would consider acceptable in terms of a conversation or in particular read or view of a sexual nature.

I must say this only continues to confirm that, however I would agree it is a bit more than risque. In bad taste? possibly but to be honest having only read 3 pages I have no idea of the context. For those short of time skip to page 148 there is nothing going on at all on 146/147, however doing so would remove even more context.

Am I shocked, horrified or disgusted by what I have seen on page 148, no not really. It's not something I'd particularly be interested in reading, however I read 3/4 pages starting where the link pointed too and there was nothing there of consequence whatsoever.

Having only read a short section, and as I say totally out of context, would I consider it porn, not sure, it's certainly for adult eyes only, porn for me is there to titillate, can't see page 148 doing that so I can only assume in context of the book it makes more sense.

Possibly one for Richard and Judy to avoid for their book club.

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Thanks for your comments Gilf. I understand what you're saying about context, it's the only excerpt I could find on the internet about the book, freenet would probably have more but it's not something I use. The following links might help give a little more understanding..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Girodias

http://www.diesel-ebooks.com/item/9781596541511/Tenin-Vlas-Moscow-Nights-Sleep-Soundly-Dear-Comrade/1.html

I am surprised you thought there is nothing of consequence within pages 143 - 148. Personally I've never read anything that even comes close to it before and I found it disgusting, though that might be a female thing or just me I guess. I had no reason to suspect that my friend was giving me anything other than a 'mainstream' book and I haven't come across that sort of content within any of the books I've read.

I often here women say that when they are in a group they are much more explicit than men and that men wouldn't believe what women say to each other. I have always been of the opinion that it is rather the opposite and men plunge much further when it comes to what they would consider acceptable in terms of a conversation or in particular read or view of a sexual nature.

I have heard of this but amongst my group of friends things are discussed on a superficial level except maybe when someone has a problem but then it's more likely to be spoken about on a one to one basis and not using graphic language.

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I am surprised you thought there is nothing of consequence within pages 143 - 148. Personally I've never read anything that even comes close to it before and I found it disgusting, though that might be a female thing or just me I guess. I had no reason to suspect that my friend was giving me anything other than a 'mainstream' book and I haven't come across that sort of content within any of the books I've read.

It's certainly not Harry Potter, I'll give you that and as I said not something I'd particularly be interested in, however had I read the whole thing (and given the subject matter given in your latest links) I'm not sure I'd have been that bother by that particular section.

Having looked back and seen this was recommended by a male friend I think it highlights my point. As a "modern" man I don't find it particularly shocking, without reading the whole thing I have no idea what else is in there but I imagine it's an error of judgement on your friends part, I doubt I'd recommend it to a female friend. I'm sure if my father were to read it he would have a similar opinion to you.

The internet age has allowed people to see things we might never have seen a generation ago, perhaps like me, your friend has become desensitized to the horrors of this world and it takes a bit more than page 148 to shock us.

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