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Far-Right Catalans Making Waves Across Crisis-Hit Spain

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Plataforma per Catalunya is a far-right party created nine years ago by former supporters of General Francisco Franco in the north-eastern industrial province of Catalonia, and running in Sunday's regional elections in Spain.

Last year the party gained almost 3 per cent of the vote in the regional elections and now expects to increase its local vote five-fold, going from 17 to more than 100 council members across Catalonia and possibly winning control of some cities.

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More and more Europeans are getting fed up with neo-liberalism. Its one of those ideologies like communism which sounds good, but in practice Spain has a 45% young adult unemployment rate.

Ya fascists do a bunch of stuff you don't want to know about. But what matters at the end of the day for most people is having a job, having a house, being able to have and support a family.

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More and more Europeans are getting fed up with neo-liberalism. Its one of those ideologies like communism which sounds good, but in practice Spain has a 45% young adult unemployment rate.

Ya fascists do a bunch of stuff you don't want to know about. But what matters at the end of the day for most people is having a job, having a house, being able to have and support a family.

It's not an especially impressive electoral performance for a far right - or left - party.Le Pen got well up in the teens and took control of some town councils,Dreux if I remember correctly.They never manage to break through.

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It's not an especially impressive electoral performance for a far right - or left - party.Le Pen got well up in the teens and took control of some town councils,Dreux if I remember correctly.They never manage to break through.

I think when things are going fairly well, most people will stick with whatever the orthodoxy of the day is. Which honestly is a good strategy.. if it isn't broken don't fix it.

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Ya fascists do a bunch of stuff you don't want to know about. But what matters at the end of the day for most people is having a job, having a house, being able to have and support a family.

And that's exactly why we are in this mess. As long as people only think about themselves, without seeing the bigger picture society will never get better.

Fascists, banksters, communists, they all essentially take advantage of the stupid and self-interested masses.

The only way to a better society is for each individual to do their part in becoming more selfless and caring about others.

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And that's exactly why we are in this mess. As long as people only think about themselves, without seeing the bigger picture society will never get better.

Fascists, banksters, communists, they all essentially take advantage of the stupid and self-interested masses.

The only way to a better society is for each individual to do their part in becoming more selfless and caring about others.

In a way we have designed a society that only functions if millions of people act selflessly. Then are shocked to see from the broad view the vast majority of people acting in their own interests. Like the blatant selfishness and small mindedness of the special interest groups.

In a dictatorship you only need one man who thinks about the big picture. And in a way his interests are aligned with the general populations goals. If people are doing well, if things are on teh ascent.. the dictator is secure in his power.

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Surprising to see ex supporters of Franco gaining support in Catalonia considering the extremely harsh regime of oppression he inflicted on them and the attempts to eradicate Catalan culture, language, etc.

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In a way we have designed a society that only functions if millions of people act selflessly. Then are shocked to see from the broad view the vast majority of people acting in their own interests. Like the blatant selfishness and small mindedness of the special interest groups.

In a dictatorship you only need one man who thinks about the big picture. And in a way his interests are aligned with the general populations goals. If people are doing well, if things are on teh ascent.. the dictator is secure in his power.

I think that a benign dictatorship is the best form of government that the average schmo can ever hope for. Sadly, examples of them are extremely thin on the ground.

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In a dictatorship you only need one man who thinks about the big picture. And in a way his interests are aligned with the general populations goals. If people are doing well, if things are on teh ascent.. the dictator is secure in his power.

Sorry but that's the most twisted naive crap I heave read here for a long time. There has never been a dictatorship where the dictator was aligned with the general populations goals and there never will be because power corrupts, no exceptions.

Like I said in my previous post, the only way this world can change if we all change inside ourselves first. Greed and selfishness needs to stop, otherwise nothing will ever change. A world without greed and selfnishness wouldn't even need a government, let alone a dictator.

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Sorry but that's the most twisted naive crap I heave read here for a long time. There has never been a dictatorship where the dictator was aligned with the general populations goals and there never will be because power corrupts, no exceptions.

You don't seem to have much faith in human nature.

Like I said in my previous post, the only way this world can change if we all change inside ourselves first. Greed and selfishness needs to stop, otherwise nothing will ever change. A world without greed and selfnishness wouldn't even need a government, let alone a dictator.

You seem to have a lot of faith in human nature.

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Like I said in my previous post, the only way this world can change ifwe all change inside ourselves first. Greed and selfishness needs to stop, otherwise nothing will ever change. A world without greed and selfnishness wouldn't even need a government, let alone a dictator.

You seem to have a lot of faith in human nature.

It's hypotetical, I didn't say that it's going to happen anytime soon, although hope dies last.

Realistically speaking the only model that seems to work well is the one implemented in Switzerland. Direct democracy combined with a federal state where there is little power at federal level most power is distributed locally at cantonal and communal level, combined with a tax system where taxes are mostly used locally rather than centrally at federal level and where any major expenditure locally is decided upon directly by the voters in referendums.

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Surprising to see ex supporters of Franco gaining support in Catalonia considering the extremely harsh regime of oppression he inflicted on them and the attempts to eradicate Catalan culture, language, etc.

True but the threats to Catalan culture still exist this time from gloablisation, mass immigration etc - well thats how many catalans see it..

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Surprising to see ex supporters of Franco gaining support in Catalonia considering the extremely harsh regime of oppression he inflicted on them and the attempts to eradicate Catalan culture, language, etc.

Contrary to the Orwell-readers believing their own myth, there has always been a strong right-wing presence in Catalunya along with the liberals and anarchists, albeit one that thinks it's superior to the rest of Spain Nationalists generally are right-wing. Equally the myth of Madrid being the centre of francoism - it was actually the strongest area of opposition to Franco's forces, and held out for 2 years despite the many fifth columnists it also had. Soon as Madrid fell, it only took a few weeks for Catalunya to topple.

The video here shows not a few jubilant pro-Franco supporters in Barcelona, after its "liberation". This was the grim reality of the civil war - the country was split almost down the middle. In some ways it still is (PP - right wing, very pro Catholic, PSOE - liberal, left-wing, secular)

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Germany were so traumatised by the mass unemployment of an economically depressed, socially chaotic Weimar Germany leading to their world famous far-right backlash that their more balanced, industrialised economy today (abnormal in the declining West) is successful at that's starting to drive its mass unemployment down, while the other European countries are not equipped to properly deal with the mass employment that threatens to become systemic for many years to come (with Franco inspired Fascists stirring in southern Spain and Britain slowly sliding towards Children of Men with mass immigration exacerbating its economic/social fabric).

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Germany were so traumatised by the mass unemployment of an economically depressed, socially chaotic Weimar Germany leading to their world famous far-right backlash that their more balanced, industrialised economy today (abnormal in the declining West) is successful at that's starting to drive its mass unemployment down, while the other European countries are not equipped to properly deal with the mass employment that threatens to become systemic for many years to come (with Franco inspired Fascists stirring in southern Spain and Britain slowly sliding towards Children of Men with mass immigration exacerbating its economic/social fabric).

but the real devil in the detail is the likes of blair and co.

blair and broon do have two totally different agendas,but each equally malignant toward this country.

brown......... being marxist,wants to destroy the country by snatching all claim to property and distributing it(extremely inefficiently) toward people who he thinks are more deserving than people who make and create stuff.

blair,being hardcore jesuit....wishes to bring this country (and anglo-saxon US)back to catholicism by deliberately formenting policies of mass immigration(mainly from eastern europe..but equally happy with large muslim populations)....and then pull the trigger on the muslims with a couple of faked terror attacks.....of course the brits will take the bait and blame the ***** for snatching all their jobs...and then rush to war(with horrific consequences for eveybody...naturally his boss will attempt to do everything he can to keep the primary core of the holy roman empire OUT of the ensuing conflict...even though they are the ones that started it)

....bad news for them,they have been sussed and their scheming is about to backfire in spectacular fashion....they will lose ALL of russia,ALL of USA plus ALL of the EU.(please see middle eastern quartet with a view to bible prophecy in book of daniel)

the REMAINING bit will form the united nations.

the remnant that do survive will have to take their chances in the southern hemisphere and regroup down there.

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They would do well to separate themselves from Spain which is demographically doomed. This article raised something I hadn't considered. Think about the future demographics of Spain/Greece/etc and who is going to be paying those bonds and pensions in 30 years. African immigrants.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/278370-southern-europe-beyond-a-demographic-point-of-no-return

Let's face reality, europeans and NE asians are historically the most productive/innovative people. Europe and the US is getting re-populated with the LEAST productive people. I had been planning to load up on US long term bonds if rates go up from this debt crisis, but now I'm wondering about it. White children are already a minority in the US. In 30 years... I don't exactly see a futuristic utopia of economic power. And don't forget these people nearly all vote for the left. 96% of blacks voted for Obama. Economic and political doom through demographics.

Another interesting read if you're OK with committing thought crime:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nations-Evolution-Behavior-Intelligence-ebook/dp/B000VIHYX2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=digital-text&qid=1310660212&sr=8-2

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96% of blacks voted for Obama. Economic and political doom through demographics.

Isn't it because they've been invariably economically and politically descriminated against for many generations? Also the economic and political doom has been instigated by people who have disproportionately pinkish and sallow skin, rather than people with skins of deepening shades of brown.

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Also the economic and political doom has been instigated by people who have disproportionately pinkish and sallow skin, rather than people with skins of deepening shades of brown.

Under the cultural marxist pretense that everyone is equally educable given enough government help., which I think it's safe to say has been proven false over the last 40 years and billions of dollars of trying.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2081778,00.html

The idea is, as Newt Gingrich might say, simple liberal social engineering. You take the million or so poorest 3- and 4-year-old children and give them a leg up on socialization and education by providing preschool for them; if it works, it saves money in the long run by producing fewer criminals and welfare recipients — and more productive citizens. Indeed, Head Start did work well in several pilot programs carefully run by professionals in the 1960s. And so it was "taken to scale," as the wonks say, as part of Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty.

It is now 45 years later. We spend more than $7 billion providing Head Start to nearly 1 million children each year. And finally there is indisputable evidence about the program's effectiveness, provided by the Department of Health and Human Services: Head Start simply does not work.

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