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At court today waiting outside patiently for a hearing to begin. Heard a wide boy type bleating about his property to his brief. Apparently it has been valued at £240k, been on the market for 2 years and only had one offer at £178k.

Not much else to report other than he wasn't a happy bunny.

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Depending on personal circumstances it is beneficial for your property to be worth more than its true worth, and sometimes it is beneficial for it to be worth as little as possible. ;)

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Depending on personal circumstances it is beneficial for your property to be worth more than its true worth, and sometimes it is beneficial for it to be worth as little as possible. ;)

True. And the banks always indulge in that risky little game as well: write on/write off!

If we had debt courts open to the public, Mr Miyagi's anecdote would actually be available for reporting in the press.

Mr Miyagi - I assume your case was civil, so I wonder if you can tell HPCers whether the public was allowed in to hear the proceedings.

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Criminal proceedings, Crown Court

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True. And the banks always indulge in that risky little game as well: write on/write off!

If we had debt courts open to the public, Mr Miyagi's anecdote would actually be available for reporting in the press.

Mr Miyagi - I assume your case was civil, so I wonder if you can tell HPCers whether the public was allowed in to hear the proceedings.

I believe that some repossessions are heard in open (County) court, and can have the press present. I'm amazed some HPC types haven't gone along and reported back!

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All court proceedings in the UK are open to the Public - it's democracy innit!

The only exception is times during a court case when it is held in camera - I can't recall a single court case in the UK in my lifetime that has been held entirely in camera, but there are times when portions of a case can be such as when undercover military types have given evidence in terrorist cases or the judge believes a witness's life may be in danger.

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There are plenty of people who go daily to sit in courts and watch trials. Why do we think pensioners have free bus passes?

:D

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Family court isn't

No, that was changed. It used to be so due to the fact that children were often involved. But now the need for democracy to be seen to be done over-rides this, although names of minors and other sensitive 'names' might be with-held.

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No, that was changed. It used to be so due to the fact that children were often involved. But now the need for democracy to be seen to be done over-rides this, although names of minors and other sensitive 'names' might be with-held.

What, like Fred Goodwin?

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There are plenty of people who go daily to sit in courts and watch trials.

I've been in the gallery a few times. I found it very interesting.

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What, like Fred Goodwin?

Hence why there hs been such an outcry over the superinjunctions - in a democracy, the law must be seen to be done.

Alas, I am not legally allowed to put forth my views on these superinjunctions as the superinjunctions actually make it illegal for people to even mention that superinjunctions even exist. Even thinking about it could get me arrested so I suppose I had better forget the past thousand years of people fighting and dying to get deomocracy in this country.

Thank goodness a handful of non democractically unelected judges know what is best for the other 60 odd million of us.

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All court proceedings in the UK are open to the Public - it's democracy innit!

The only exception is times during a court case when it is held in camera - I can't recall a single court case in the UK in my lifetime that has been held entirely in camera, but there are times when portions of a case can be such as when undercover military types have given evidence in terrorist cases or the judge believes a witness's life may be in danger.

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There are plenty of people who go daily to sit in courts and watch trials. Why do we think pensioners have free bus passes?

:D

Are you sure people go daily to watch trials? Maybe at the Old Bailey, maybe 15 years ago. At best, you're talking about high profile criminal stuff, and the seats are already booked up by Murdoch's reporters. Otherwise, English courts are filled with ... lawyers and clients only. There's no audience, and the humour and drama have disappeared.

All debt cases are heard in chambers, not open court. Technically the hearings are open to the public, but ask anyone involved if they've EVER seen a member of the public at a hearing - answer is No. The chances of someone wandering in off the street to satisfy their hunger for seeing justice done are approximately zero. Journalists do try to stick their oar in on a rare occasion, but only for celeb cases.

NuLab were very keen to preserve people's dignity by not exposing them to publicity. Current government seems to agree. But I'm sure there's another motive - it's as if they don't want the public to know how screwed up things are. Hmmm.

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Are you sure people go daily to watch trials? Maybe at the Old Bailey, maybe 15 years ago. At best, you're talking about high profile criminal stuff, and the seats are already booked up by Murdoch's reporters. Otherwise, English courts are filled with ... lawyers and clients only. There's no audience, and the humour and drama have disappeared.

All debt cases are heard in chambers, not open court. Technically the hearings are open to the public, but ask anyone involved if they've EVER seen a member of the public at a hearing - answer is No. The chances of someone wandering in off the street to satisfy their hunger for seeing justice done are approximately zero. Journalists do try to stick their oar in on a rare occasion, but only for celeb cases.

NuLab were very keen to preserve people's dignity by not exposing them to publicity. Current government seems to agree. But I'm sure there's another motive - it's as if they don't want the public to know how screwed up things are. Hmmm.

Yes, all over the country. Walk into most magistrates and crown courts in the UK and they will have a hardcore of people who turn up to watch. Police, solicitors, court reporters will all have stories of people who turn up regularly to watch. Lots of pensioners do.

I know of several retired ladies who take knitting along to court and knit when they are allowed. There was a solicitor on trial for mortgage fraud recently and if they had not moved the trial from Swansea to Cardiff I would have popped in to watch.

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Are you sure people go daily to watch trials? Maybe at the Old Bailey, maybe 15 years ago. At best, you're talking about high profile criminal stuff, and the seats are already booked up by Murdoch's reporters. Otherwise, English courts are filled with ... lawyers and clients only. There's no audience, and the humour and drama have disappeared.

All debt cases are heard in chambers, not open court. Technically the hearings are open to the public, but ask anyone involved if they've EVER seen a member of the public at a hearing - answer is No. The chances of someone wandering in off the street to satisfy their hunger for seeing justice done are approximately zero. Journalists do try to stick their oar in on a rare occasion, but only for celeb cases.

NuLab were very keen to preserve people's dignity by not exposing them to publicity. Current government seems to agree. But I'm sure there's another motive - it's as if they don't want the public to know how screwed up things are. Hmmm.

so true.

A friend of mine, a polish national is pursuing her former British partner for child maintenance. The award was made in poland and registered in the UK. The guy has plenty of money but pays nothing. Meanwhile she is sinking fast and her and her 5 year old disabled child are likely to end up homeless. Every two months he gets called to the Mags for non compliance. He sticks two fingers up with a pack of blatant lies. They give him another two months to hid his assets / do a flit).

Appalling state of affairs. I have seen it written here that the courts only exist to enforce rich peoples property rights. Didn't believe it before but do now :angry:

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Yes, all over the country. Walk into most magistrates and crown courts in the UK and they will have a hardcore of people who turn up to watch. Police, solicitors, court reporters will all have stories of people who turn up regularly to watch. Lots of pensioners do.

I know of several retired ladies who take knitting along to court and knit when they are allowed. There was a solicitor on trial for mortgage fraud recently and if they had not moved the trial from Swansea to Cardiff I would have popped in to watch.

So little has changed since Miss Flite's time.

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Appalling state of affairs. I have seen it written here that the courts only exist to enforce rich peoples property rights. Didn't believe it before but do now :angry:

the fact we have an independent legal system means it can be played by the savvy, that's life

I don't think most chav BTLrs are that savvy frankly

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the fact we have an independent legal system means it can be played by the savvy, that's life

I don't think most chav BTLrs are that savvy frankly

I think it's more simple than that -Courts are instructed not to consider poor peoples property rights.

My friend at the last hearing showed that her former partner was still in full time employment as a University lecturer and had recently enjoyed a long holiday in the USA. She also demonstrated that on the sale of his house he walked away with about £200K equity. This was after claiming before the court in the previous hearing he is penniless and has nothing to pay towards the maintenance of his 5 year old disabled son.

Straight fwd case of contempt - what do they do - give him another 2 months. A complete and utter shambles. :angry:

As a British subject abroad - I find these cases embarassing and a sad reflection on why the UK is turning into a banana republic.

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As a British subject abroad - I find these cases embarassing and a sad reflection on why the UK is turning into a banana republic.

On the contrary, a legal system run for and by a club of insiders was a great bastion of Empire! A great social reformer like Dickens and a great satirist and wit like Gilbert could attack it, and nothing happens. It's little-changed today, nor is it clear whether in general it's better or worse. The fundamental principles remain: it's explicitly above the law, and enjoys strong legal protection from the kind of sanction you can take against a corrupt politician, copper, or anyone else, making it a safe haven for Big (and small) Corruption.

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My friend at the last hearing showed that her former partner was still in full time employment as a University lecturer and had recently enjoyed a long holiday in the USA. She also demonstrated that on the sale of his house he walked away with about £200K equity. This was after claiming before the court in the previous hearing he is penniless and has nothing to pay towards the maintenance of his 5 year old disabled son.

sounds like the promotion of the liberal elite under the former government, I hope this doesn't continue

a labour voting champaghne socialist of some sort

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sounds like the promotion of the liberal elite under the former government, I hope this doesn't continue

a labour voting champaghne socialist of some sort

Even better - an Iranian Immigrant, muslim, who claimed various student benefits for a decade whilst working full time. :rolleyes:

I have decided that I may well help my friend to get established in the UK - let her stay in my house for 6 months to establish residency. She is entitled to about £240 a week benefits plus £640 HB a month. On top of this all her childs medical needs. Of course there would be no need for this if the UK courts would actually take action to enforce a maintenance award of £450 a month which would be adequate in Poland.

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Even better - an Iranian Immigrant, muslim, who claimed various student benefits for a decade whilst working full time. :rolleyes:

I have decided that I may well help my friend to get established in the UK - let her stay in my house for 6 months to establish residency. She is entitled to about £240 a week benefits plus £640 HB a month. On top of this all her childs medical needs. Of course there would be no need for this if the UK courts would actually take action to enforce a maintenance award of £450 a month which would be adequate in Poland.

jeesus

good luck

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Yes, all over the country. Walk into most magistrates and crown courts in the UK and they will have a hardcore of people who turn up to watch. Police, solicitors, court reporters will all have stories of people who turn up regularly to watch. Lots of pensioners do.

I know of several retired ladies who take knitting along to court and knit when they are allowed. There was a solicitor on trial for mortgage fraud recently and if they had not moved the trial from Swansea to Cardiff I would have popped in to watch.

Dear me, are knitting needles not banned on Health and Safety grounds?

Someone is slipping up.

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