neil324 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) Somehow I can't see sensible people using these touch screens. It would be as filthy as holding a handrail in the tube, are MuckDonalds going to make it easy for people to wash their hands after they touch the typhoid Mary terminals? Got no choice if you want a MaccyD's I get your point though. Most construction sites now have hand scanners that scan your right hand and allows you onto and off site. Something to do with knowing who is on site in case of a fire etc. Anyway just think of the germs that are being spread by these scanners, health and safety ******** gone mad and contradicting itself. Edited May 16, 2011 by neil324 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I've seen these in European McDonalds for 4 years, it may have been longer. It's very fast, very easy to use and you don't have to queue. That piece is a bit out of date I think. Not that I ever go to McDonalds, it's just something I heard... Have to confess I now tend to favour supermarkets that have self service check outs. Tends to avoid queue's. Except when the mentally challenged choose to run the weekly shop through one and take five minutes to find the bar code and scan the item. The only thing is, I'm spending less and less at the supermarket's, favouring farm shops and local markets because for a little of bit of inconvenience the savings stack up. For instance a bigger cauli today for 90p, compared to £1.20 in Sainsbury's. As for MacD's would think only a matter of time before the checkout staff are replaced, and think they could replace the "kitchen" with pre-packed/cooked means. Surprised if they were not experimenting with the manufacture and distribution aspects now. No job is safe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Have to confess I now tend to favour supermarkets that have self service check outs. Tends to avoid queue's. Except when the mentally challenged choose to run the weekly shop through one and take five minutes to find the bar code and scan the item. Have I met you somewhere before? The only thing is, I'm spending less and less at the supermarket's, favouring farm shops and local markets because for a little of bit of inconvenience the savings stack up. For instance a bigger cauli today for 90p, compared to £1.20 in Sainsbury's. Too right, fresh vegetables are so much fresher, better, bigger, tastier, and often cheaper grown locally. Supermarkets are there for your convenience so expect to pay a bit more. As for MacD's would think only a matter of time before the checkout staff are replaced, and think they could replace the "kitchen" with pre-packed/cooked means. Surprised if they were not experimenting with the manufacture and distribution aspects now. No job is safe! Would you miss them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel in w9 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 It is pretty sad, that the only type of jobs you have left in the UK are service jobs, and now you are finding a way to destroy those as well. Manufacturing- RIP 1984 Service- RIP 2011 So how many millions more will this put on the dole? This saves money, how?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whalewatcher Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 hoo yeah! Most MacDos in France are staffed with lovely French girls that look pretty much like this. Plus they serve nice coffee. A very different experience to the McDs in the UK, which I doubt the French would put up with for a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 It is pretty sad, that the only type of jobs you have left in the UK are service jobs, and now you are finding a way to destroy those as well. Manufacturing- RIP 1984 Service- RIP 2011 So how many millions more will this put on the dole? This saves money, how?? By cancelling the dole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Monk Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Most MacDos in France are staffed with lovely French girls that look pretty much like this. Plus they serve nice coffee. A very different experience to the McDs in the UK, which I doubt the French would put up with for a day. I dunno, one of the pleasures of driving through France used to be a chat with a pretty peage girl from time to time but they have all nearly gone now, replaced with automated booths using windscreen-mounted smart boxes or credit card readers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 the cost of labour is just too high. They wouldnt need this automation in India or china. Trouble is, Robots dont buy houses...or cars, or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantnrave Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Most MacDos in France are staffed with lovely French girls that look pretty much like this. Plus they serve nice coffee. A very different experience to the McDs in the UK, which I doubt the French would put up with for a day. Staff in McDs Japan bow to you after you've placed your order and again after you've paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Staff in McDs Japan bow to you after you've placed your order and again after you've paid. Apparently, if you run a large International Quango, like, say...I dunno...the IMF, even chamber maids offer extras... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Never mind, I'm sure we'll all be 'freed up' to do all those wonderful jobs Dave has lined up for us in our new 'green' economy. We are dying to hear the socialist alternative. Given there isn't a hairs breadth, ideologically speaking between Cameron and say Blair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Tomorrow's World said this 40 years ago. People keep saying this and it keeps on not happening. I remember that too. However that was before they got everybody super indebted. The second person in the home, probably only has to work to pay the mortgage debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) Got no choice if you want a MaccyD's I get your point though. Most construction sites now have hand scanners that scan your right hand and allows you onto and off site. Something to do with knowing who is on site in case of a fire etc. Anyway just think of the germs that are being spread by these scanners, health and safety ******** gone mad and contradicting itself. Hand scanning, thats soooo yesterday. Some of the datacentres in London have retina scanning to gain entry, very Star Trek! Wondered how long before they tie up retina scanning to buy goods, + credit card pre-authorization and credit rating, so one missed payment and you starve to death. You are then forced to hack the eye out of someone in the queue in order to eat. Edited May 16, 2011 by Sir John Steed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 We are dying to hear the socialist alternative. Given there isn't a hairs breadth, ideologically speaking between Cameron and say Blair. Yes they are both as bad as one another , the difference at present though is Call Me Dave and his team are at the helm and so we are looking to them for the answers. Make work pay was one of Ian Duncan Smiths policys , heard him on Question time a while back saying he had done a lot of work on this and his proposal was to make it easier for someone to move from a council house in one area to another in order to find work. He stated the case of a man up north he met who was working in London. Gave no indication of how that would work ( would the unemployed from up north jump the 20 year waiting list for a council house in the capital ?) he never said . No one on the programme asked him what would happen to the half million unemployed in London if people moved form another part of the country to take any jobs that might appear . He never mentioned the outsourcing of jobs the jobs being taken over by robots, the working week that is being extended for many right now , the fact that the working week has not been cut for 30+ years. No one tory , labour or lib*******s , want to admit that there is not enough work for every adult to work 40 hours a week so they carry on scapgoating those without work and refer to them as lazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Can we re-title the thread "graduate job prospects decrease" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Good. At least i'll be safe in the knowledge the only free radicals to deposit themselves in my burger are likely to be motor oil, not chav hiv infected spittle . Actually, this is nothing new. There used to be a burger bar called megatron near me in the late 80s. You used to order with a computer and a robot would bring your food. Even the meat and cheese tasted synthetic. http://comfortabledisorientation.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/05/the_megatron_1.html http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=36760150413 turned into mcdonalds in the 90s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Creation Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) Went to Amsterdam years ago - they had those funny little self service heated food snack shops - looked like a cross between a bank vault and a vending machine on a grand scale - put your money in and open the galss door to take the snack of your choice, which looked different (ish) but tasted pretty much the same. Surprised it has taken them this long to take that step - very small number of sales lines and large throughput - far easier than a supermarket system. Febo! Count the many, many ways they fry croquettes. Edited May 16, 2011 by Jack's Creation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Creation Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Yes they are both as bad as one another , the difference at present though is Call Me Dave and his team are at the helm and so we are looking to them for the answers. Make work pay was one of Ian Duncan Smiths policys , heard him on Question time a while back saying he had done a lot of work on this and his proposal was to make it easier for someone to move from a council house in one area to another in order to find work. He stated the case of a man up north he met who was working in London. Gave no indication of how that would work ( would the unemployed from up north jump the 20 year waiting list for a council house in the capital ?) he never said . No one on the programme asked him what would happen to the half million unemployed in London if people moved form another part of the country to take any jobs that might appear . He never mentioned the outsourcing of jobs the jobs being taken over by robots, the working week that is being extended for many right now , the fact that the working week has not been cut for 30+ years. No one tory , labour or lib*******s , want to admit that there is not enough work for every adult to work 40 hours a week so they carry on scapgoating those without work and refer to them as lazy. What is it then?, you still haven't told us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traktion Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Sounds like the pay machines at Argos. You pick your goods, pay for them and then collect them. In fact, it's easier - there are only a few options to pick from, compared to Argos. I hope the left realise that the NMW has helped to remove these jobs too. When you price fix too high, the market seeks alternatives. The alternative is a machine that does it for less than NMW. Besides, it's a pointless, crappy job. There are better things to do with your time that take burger orders! This is more efficient for everyone. Ultimately, it means people will have more time and money to spend on other, more useful things and services... which is where said burger till operators will end up instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traktion Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Or "MacDonalds works out way to save their customers paying tax credits for their staff." EDIT: Think how much more automation there would be if these companies had to pay a living wage. Exactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Sounds like the pay machines at Argos. You pick your goods, pay for them and then collect them. In fact, it's easier - there are only a few options to pick from, compared to Argos. I hope the left realise that the NMW has helped to remove these jobs too. When you price fix too high, the market seeks alternatives. The alternative is a machine that does it for less than NMW. Besides, it's a pointless, crappy job. There are better things to do with your time that take burger orders! This is more efficient for everyone. Ultimately, it means people will have more time and money to spend on other, more useful things and services... which is where said burger till operators will end up instead. Time to raise the rents! or of course Time to raise the land tax! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 What is it then?, you still haven't told us. Derrrr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Creation Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 We are dying to hear the socialist alternative. Given there isn't a hairs breadth, ideologically speaking between Cameron and say Blair. There isn't one. well there is, but it tends to look like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traktion Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Yes they are both as bad as one another , the difference at present though is Call Me Dave and his team are at the helm and so we are looking to them for the answers. Make work pay was one of Ian Duncan Smiths policys , heard him on Question time a while back saying he had done a lot of work on this and his proposal was to make it easier for someone to move from a council house in one area to another in order to find work. He stated the case of a man up north he met who was working in London. Gave no indication of how that would work ( would the unemployed from up north jump the 20 year waiting list for a council house in the capital ?) he never said . No one on the programme asked him what would happen to the half million unemployed in London if people moved form another part of the country to take any jobs that might appear . He never mentioned the outsourcing of jobs the jobs being taken over by robots, the working week that is being extended for many right now , the fact that the working week has not been cut for 30+ years. No one tory , labour or lib*******s , want to admit that there is not enough work for every adult to work 40 hours a week so they carry on scapgoating those without work and refer to them as lazy. IDS has some good ideas, IMO. The universal benefit is very much like a negative income tax. The less you work, the more benefits you get, BUT the more you work, the more you take home. Taking a NIT further, you can abolish the NMW and just pay a decent NIT instead. You can then top it up with a poor paying job or decide not to. Either way, you will get your NIT and you take home more by working. You can fund it via company taxes too, if you feel the profits from automation just end up at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledgehead Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) There's a KFC at the Oxford service station on the M40 that's had a self service order point for at least 3 years. You still need people to fry up the rat meat and serve it to the customers so it wouldn't replace all the staff in a fast food place. I think you need to take a look inside a modern food factory before you make assertions like that. It's basically sacks of commodity in, packaged product out, with two or three guys loading the sacks into hoppers / monitoring quality. Still, all these guys can now go do something intellectually stimulating ... like the 900 researchers likely to lose their jobs at Pfizer last week. It just struck me: we can all join Team Venture and make AmpiApps! Edited May 16, 2011 by Sledgehead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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