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Will Imf Policy Change Following The Dsk Debacle?

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Interesting suggestions here, although the article is primarily about the impact on French politics.

Dominique Strauss-Kahn played a pivotal role in the euro-zone crisis. He had pushed Europe to tackle its debts. He was also intensely committed to saving the euro. He was both courted and heeded by major European leaders, particularly the Germans, who wanted strong IMF involvement in Europe's bail-outs.

Some say the IMF's commitments may change. "The chances are the successor won't be a European, and will want to rebalance the IMF's priorities away from its massive commitment in Europe," said Jean Pisani-Ferry, director of the Bruegel economic think-tank.

I love the opening sentence: In a New York minute French politics changed :D

Will this ripple out to the ailing PIIGS?

Be interesting to see what European credit and FX markets make of this in a few hours.

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This story is so crazy it either true or a setup. Can't believe someone in such high office, probably running for the French presidency could get caught up in something like this.

Read on business insider that there have been other incidents in France / IMF that the French press to do not report on. Very strange.

It may change IMF policy, the markets won't like the uncertainty especially as the deputy head of the IMF was meant to be leaving in August. Probably the worst timing DSK could have had with the bailouts at a crucial stage.

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This story is so crazy it either true or a setup. Can't believe someone in such high office, probably running for the French presidency could get caught up in something like this.

Read on business insider that there have been other incidents in France / IMF that the French press to do not report on. Very strange.

It may change IMF policy, the markets won't like the uncertainty especially as the deputy head of the IMF was meant to be leaving in August. Probably the worst timing DSK could have had with the bailouts at a crucial stage.

I was almost tempted to start a thread on this myself - under the heading of 'Randy Frenchman or Political Setup?'

I'm no fan of conspiracy theories in general, but to deny that skullduggery never occurs in high circles is the height of naivete.

IF this is a 'setup' its one of those that is so easy to deny. All the right factors are in place. He's French (therefore will get the label of being randy/amorous/lecherous/etc) and has already a 'history' of this sort of thing hanging over him - albeit unproven. He was not in the hotel on IMF business(?). If he was it would be less likely that he would 'alone' for any meaningful amount of time, and have accompanying entourage(?) to support him in respect of his observed behaviour (or lack thereof!) and how he was generally conducting himself.

IF it is a conspiracy to be rid of DSK, then why?

Did I not read recently that, under his stewardship, the IMF proposed forcing Irish bond holders to take some sort of 'haircut'? and that thhis might be reflecting his socilaist background? BUT that the US vetoed this?

and now we see that his deputy, and American economist and former american 'banker', has taken over. Again, IF a conspiracy, I would be stunned if his deputy had anything to do with this. Why would he need to? No.1 gets kicked out, so No.2 automatically takes the place. I wonder if we will indeed see sudden subtle changes in policy?

On an entirely separate note.... am I alone at being uncomfortable in these sorts of cases where people end up being convicted of such crimes merely on the say so of the supposed victim (i.e no witnesses, no physical evidence, etc).

Unless he actually placed his hands on her there cant surely be any physical evidence?

Edited by anonguest

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On an entirely separate note.... am I alone at being uncomfortable in these sorts of cases where people end up being convicted of such crimes merely on the say so of the supposed victim (i.e no witnesses, no physical evidence, etc).

Unless he actually placed his hands on her there cant surely be any physical evidence?

Nope the same thought occurred to me too. There are lots of white women with Negro fetishes that will insist that president Obama crawled in their window last night and raped them. They don't go and drag the president off air force one on each of these allegations.

She can withdraw her allegations, at no cost, and he is still tainted. He cannot remain head of the IMF and his French election campaign is over. The US police should have been more thorough before acting. He was not fleeing the country, he was heading off to see the German chancellor and would return.

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The police are taking forensic evidence.

Neither you nor I know what happened.

If the woman was attacked, my sympathies are with her, not him. There has been no circumstantial evidence so far to emerge that implies she is lying. To hear people talk of how their thoughts are with the alleged attacker and his family under these circumstances is sickening.

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zerohedge hinting at more

He's either been at this for years and it's been covered up but the masses will be happy he's been caught rather than questioning why the elites covered up for him.

Alternatively he's got a eye for the ladies and has been playing away for years and was ripe for a sting.

To be honest we'll never know, but isn't there a report that someone posted his arrest on twitter before he was arrested?

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IF it is a conspiracy to be rid of DSK, then why?

Perhaps the French and German banksters are worried that he was going to make them take a haircut on Greek and Portugese debt they underwrote? <_<

He was on his way to Berlin to have a "chat" with Angela M to discuss this

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Is Brown going to be called in take over the reigns at the IMF?

So swapping sexual harassment for nokia / printer violence, the staff members will be pleased.

Edited by interestrateripoff

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This story is so crazy it either true or a setup. Can't believe someone in such high office, probably running for the French presidency could get caught up in something like this.

Read on business insider that there have been other incidents in France / IMF that the French press to do not report on. Very strange.

Strict French privacy laws make it very difficult for their press to report.

I suspect there has also being an element of DSK's activities being covered up for years by the hangers on.

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The police are taking forensic evidence.

Neither you nor I know what happened.

If the woman was attacked, my sympathies are with her, not him. There has been no circumstantial evidence so far to emerge that implies she is lying. To hear people talk of how their thoughts are with the alleged attacker and his family under these circumstances is sickening.

I didnt say that or imply that.

The replier to my comments is correct though. There is too much presumption of automatic guilt BEFORE enough evidence to support the claims. He is hardly a person likely to disappear/flee justice if he is indeed deemed liable for arrest.

FWIW my inclination is for the 'Randy frenchman' theory, i.e nothing more than a lecherous guy of a certain age in great power trying it on with a hotel maid - wouldnt be the first time it happened.

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Jonathan Pinet, a french supporter of the Ump, the party of Nicolas Sarkozy, twittered about the fact two hours before it happened:

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This is at the very least suspicious...

Sarkozy is the one benefitting the most from the arrest of DSK, since Sarkozy would have most likely lost out in the first round of the presidential elections already if DSK had partecipated.

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I didnt say that or imply that.

Sorry I didn't mean to imply you. I watched the news last night where those thoughts of condolence were expressed by female supporters of the socialist party, something I'm guessing they wouldn't dream of doing for a stranger charged with attempted rape.

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Jonathan Pinet, a french supporter of the Ump, the party of Nicolas Sarkozy, twittered about the fact two hours before it happened:

153324635-7fc6ae98-6b5a-42c5-bb55-b791c302fff0.jpg

This is at the very least suspicious...

Sarkozy is the one benefitting the most from the arrest of DSK, since Sarkozy would have most likely lost out in the first round of the presidential elections already if DSK had partecipated.

Does he have a Tardis? Perhaps his PC had the wrong time on it, I'm sure that will be the case....

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Does he have a Tardis? Perhaps his PC had the wrong time on it, I'm sure that will be the case....

AFAIK the timestamp for a post on twitter is determined by the twitter server (just like here on HPC.co.uk), not the PC of the user.

This is supposed to be the direct link to the tweet, but I currently only get a blank page:

https://twitter.com/#!/j_pinet/status/69507272040136704

Edited by wise_eagle

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On an entirely separate note.... am I alone at being uncomfortable in these sorts of cases where people end up being convicted of such crimes merely on the say so of the supposed victim (i.e no witnesses, no physical evidence, etc).

Unless he actually placed his hands on her there cant surely be any physical evidence?

He hasn't been convicted yet, just charged, afaik.

Most of the assumptions about him having done it are based on his decades of trying to ****** anything that moves (with or without consent.) But that's also hearsay.... Going off his character (liar, thief) reveals no great insights either. Being a thief and a liar doesn't automatically make you a rapist.

If he's forcefully grabbed her by the back of the neck and forced her to suck his dick, there will be evidence though. Given the mans political stature, i'd guess the arresting officers have more than the 4 winds to go off.

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AFAIK the timestamp for a post on twitter is determined by the twitter server (just like here on HPC.co.uk), not the PC of the user.

It's not suspicious. He heard the rumour via a friend of a friend who worked at the New York Sofitel which is also why it was factually incorrect - DSK wasn't arrested at the hotel but on his plane. The chamber-maid would have reported the allegation to the hotel staff first so I'm sure rumours were flying out of control.

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Given the man's stature and high profile the American law enforcement agencies (and there were two involved) would not have gone to the length's of dragging him off an outbound aircraft unless they had some pretty compelling evidence.

Picture hotel worker has made an allegation that a guest has tried to rape her. Police are immediatley called and enter guests room, they find all his luggage and mobile phone still in situ. Quick call establishes the chap has been booked onto the flight manifest (all these things are computer linked these days) of an Air France due to leave in the next few minutes.

Whilst they may not have had the DNA at the time they arrested him there are already significant questions he needs to answer.

If it was an elaborate sting and the girl came onto him then why run?

I have to say it don't look good for the bloke but then as he was a banker who gives a shit.

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A well known French radio comedy did a skit where female staff at a government office which DSK was about to visit were advised to wear burkhas to minimise risk to themselves. The man has form.

The BBC of course has been frantically playing down the allegations hinting that the woman may be 'unstable'. It's fine to drag sexual politics back to the 1800s providing you are protecting a fellow socialist.

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extreme entitlement among the powerful is a danger to us all.

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A well known French radio comedy did a skit where female staff at a government office which DSK was about to visit were advised to wear burkhas to minimise risk to themselves. The man has form.

Almost a career ending move for the man behind the sketch, which is why no-one reports DSKs misbehavior n France. If he does become president they would be finished - like former tv anchore man PPdA who asked Sarkozy what it was like to "play with the big boys now?"... not a good question given Sarkozy's 5'6" height. If DSK stumbles the knives will be out.

The BBC of course has been frantically playing down the allegations hinting that the woman may be 'unstable'. It's fine to drag sexual politics back to the 1800s providing you are protecting a fellow socialist.

A friend of DSK said she was "hallucinating". It wasn't until this morning that Radio Anchorman Patrick Cohen said that we should respect the victim as well as DSK in this affair.

This could be pay-back for the Roman Polanski affair for the US justice, probably why they were keen to pull him off the flight.

I'm not sure DSK hiring Michael Jackson's lawyer was a good idea, makes him look guilty to me. At the same time I don't set much store in the US police given the number of wrongful convictions, but I assume DSK will be treated better than some black guy.

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the european left seems to be imploding - the wrong milliband, Huhne's dodgy speeding fines, DSK, left wing parties out of power across europe, the right's rise and survival within the libdems, remarkable

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I'm not one for conspiracy theories but when I saw these headlines juxtaposed I did start to wonder:

Dominique Strauss-Kahn arrested for sex crime

Marine killed in North Africa

Sarkozy may be no stranger to dirty tricks but having Marine Le Pen bumped off is going a bit too far. So far things are lining up to be the Front National's best ever hope of winning the presidency.

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I was almost tempted to start a thread on this myself - under the heading of 'Randy Frenchman or Political Setup?'

I'm no fan of conspiracy theories in general, but to deny that skullduggery never occurs in high circles is the height of naivete.

IF this is a 'setup' its one of those that is so easy to deny. All the right factors are in place. He's French (therefore will get the label of being randy/amorous/lecherous/etc) and has already a 'history' of this sort of thing hanging over him - albeit unproven. He was not in the hotel on IMF business(?). If he was it would be less likely that he would 'alone' for any meaningful amount of time, and have accompanying entourage(?) to support him in respect of his observed behaviour (or lack thereof!) and how he was generally conducting himself.

IF it is a conspiracy to be rid of DSK, then why?

Did I not read recently that, under his stewardship, the IMF proposed forcing Irish bond holders to take some sort of 'haircut'? and that thhis might be reflecting his socilaist background? BUT that the US vetoed this?

and now we see that his deputy, and American economist and former american 'banker', has taken over. Again, IF a conspiracy, I would be stunned if his deputy had anything to do with this. Why would he need to? No.1 gets kicked out, so No.2 automatically takes the place. I wonder if we will indeed see sudden subtle changes in policy?

On an entirely separate note.... am I alone at being uncomfortable in these sorts of cases where people end up being convicted of such crimes merely on the say so of the supposed victim (i.e no witnesses, no physical evidence, etc).

Unless he actually placed his hands on her there cant surely be any physical evidence?

Does not sound like a setup.

The allegations are forced fellatio and then ******** rape. There will be evidence that is why they have done DNA tests and they will test his clothes for other physical evidence. The other charge is forced imprisionment, this is because he is charged with locking the maid in the bathroom after he had finished. She was only found because DSK called the hotel saying that he had lost his phone and was it in the room (not too smart, seeing as our DSK had locked the maid in the bathroom). Also he was only charged after he had taken part in an identity parade.

I know there will be conspiracy theories but the charging here looks to be on pretty solid ground especially if there is DNA found in her rectum and signs off forced entry.

Edited by ralphmalph

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Does not sound like a setup.

The allegations are forced fellatio and then ******** rape. There will be evidence that is why they have done DNA tests and they will test his clothes for other physical evidence. The other charge is forced imprisionment, this is because he is charged with locking the maid in the bathroom after he had finished. She was only found because DSK called the hotel saying that he had lost his phone and was it in the room (not too smart, seeing as our DSK had locked the maid in the bathroom). Also he was only charged after he had taken part in an identity parade.

I know there will be conspiracy theories but the charging here looks to be on pretty solid ground especially if there is DNA found in her rectum and signs off forced entry.

I think you've misunderstood the allegations somewhat.

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