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Coming to the Beeb on Monday 16th May - 'The Street That Cut Everything'

A street of people experience life for 6 weeks without any of the services a local council provides.

What does cutting all of the services prove? Presumably the message is that the council is indispensible and the cuts are wicked.

I doubt anyone disputes that some services need to be provided for the common good, but all of them?

How about a series where the people experience 6 weeks with council services, but excluding diversity officers, car park attendants, and 5-a-day consultants? I doubt they'd notice the loss.

How about a series where people get a serious opportunity to outsource services to the private sector?

How about a series where people spend 6 weeks without the PRIVATE sector? (After a day without food , heat , light, electricity and water, and no tax revenue to pay for the public sector services either, I think they would realise who the real drivers of the economy and ultimate providers of services are.)

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do they also get a cash in hand bonus each week with money they have saved from not using coucil services?

would make the program more accurate

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do they also get a cash in hand bonus each week with money they have saved from not using coucil services?

would make the program more accurate

Good point. They should get their council tax refunded PLUS a sum equivalent to the council subsidy per capita from the government.

Also, perhaps the goods they buy locally should be cheaper as if the local businesses did not pay business rates (though to be fair, they would suffer the effects of the businesses not being policed by environmental and trading standards officers).

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do they also get a cash in hand bonus each week with money they have saved from not using coucil services?

would make the program more accurate

Take a typical street of 30 houses, they would have about £5K a month to spend if they no longer were forced to make a monthly tribute to their council overlords.

£2K - private waste collection

£25 - Electricity for street lighting (if required - there is none around me)

£100 - contraceptives for local bikes - if they drop a sprog or 6, it is their problem

£50 - 1 set of stocks for thieves and ASBO collectors

£0 - old smelly veg, and in extreme cases cobblestones, for use with said stocks

Quite a saving. If any worthies feel an urgent need for diversity enforcers they can set up a little private firm and see how they get on.

That would leave at least £100 more in the average household budget a month. This would be a good 10-20% boost to most people's disposable income, to be spent as they please. It's their money.

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Hi tahoma

Are you from Iran by any chance?

Don't lefties love false binaries?

If you disagree with them, it's all 'blah blah go and live in Somalia/Iran'. My obviously tongue in cheek contribution above was underlining the need for a teensy bit more responsibility and self-reliance, rather than throwing money at nanny state so she can make it all better.

Council tax has tripled in 15 years. It is a f*cking disgrace.

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What's interesting is that you haven't seen this show yet but you jump to a conclusion. They may well conclude that some services are not necessary.

Oh come ON! It's on the BBC. It will be pure, statist propaganda with the final episode dedicated to bigging up nanny state. How could we pitiful minions even begin to think we could exist without her!?!

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Don't lefties love false binaries?

If you disagree with them, it's all 'blah blah go and live in Somalia/Iran'.

The funny thing is once people really do start to leave they will attempt to stop people from leaving. When the USSR occupied eastern Germany, love it or get lost, so people went west. At which they said not fair and built a massive wall to prevent this.

Even the great wall of China had a secondary use, although it was to keep people out, it was also to keep people IN.

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What's interesting is that you haven't seen this show yet but you jump to a conclusion. They may well conclude that some services are not necessary.

Past performance and all that, but seriously ask yourself what council services do you use? All I can think of is bins being emptied since:

We don't have street lights on this cul de sac.

The roads are like a warzone and make some of the awful Russian roads look good.

Police tend not to come if you are in trouble.

Though the leaflets threatening me every so often through the letter box are in 10 different languages.

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Even the great wall of China had a secondary use, although it was to keep people out, it was also to keep people IN.

I think you've got primary/secondary use mixed up there.

Scrape under the surface and all socialists know their ideas are hateful, unsustainable and anti-human, implementable only via violence or the threat thereof. The effort of maintaining so many inner contradictions literally contorts their faces - look at the typical Socialist Worker hawker/UAF thug and tell me I'm wrong.

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Scrape under the surface and all socialists know their ideas are hateful, unsustainable and anti-human, implementable only via violence or the threat thereof. The effort of maintaining so many inner contradictions literally contorts their faces - look at the typical Socialist Worker hawker/UAF thug and tell me I'm wrong.

I know that, just looking at the updates of one of my uber socialist labour school friends (my facebook account was opened 4 years ago and pretty much was left dormant, I've reactivated it because people message me through it I don't update ANYTHING or friend whore to people I don't know).

She often says no to cuts, I've remembered a few gems like how to give our children a future by not having cuts...... the borrowed money is a hell of a lot more damaging to their futures than any cutbacks.

Or the way she got a onto the labour council job and is now fiddling expenses. Yeesh,

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£2K - private waste collection

Where did you get that figure from. It costs less than a £1 to collect refuse from a household and bury it. DEFRA did a survey a while back and they found people perceived the cost to be far higher than it actually was. If the council services were disbanded and outsourced then competition may open up leading to a fall in the prices they charge today.

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There are a few very dark souls on hpc these days, it has changed a lot since I joined some 6 years ago.

Re: which public services I have used recently:

Bins

Street cleaning

Parks

Planning

Building control

City marathon organization

Street refurbishment (redesign of city centre streets, repaving etc.)

Car parks

Probably others, but those come to mind.

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There are a few very dark souls on hpc these days, it has changed a lot since I joined some 6 years ago.

Re: which public services I have used recently:

  1. Bins

  2. Street cleaning

  3. Parks

  4. Planning

  5. Building control

  6. City marathon organization

  7. Street refurbishment (redesign of city centre streets, repaving etc.)

  8. Car parks

Probably others, but those come to mind.

Grasping at straws I see...

1 could be considered fluff tbh, it is what fire is for.

2+3+4+5+6+7+8 are fluff

4+5 are things which cause uber high house prices tbh.

6 is pointless, why is public money used for private sector profits marathons are for profit btw.

7 is pointless fluff.

8 is also pointless fluff which is land control and restriction which is less about keeping the streets safe more about raising money for themselves.

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I think you've got primary/secondary use mixed up there.

Scrape under the surface and all socialists know their ideas are hateful, unsustainable and anti-human, implementable only via violence or the threat thereof. The effort of maintaining so many inner contradictions literally contorts their faces - look at the typical Socialist Worker hawker/UAF thug and tell me I'm wrong.

And the right wing are very different in that regard...

:lol::lol::lol:

The thing is, this test could be done properly and it would still come to the conclusion that some state services are required because the larger market demand that would satisfy the needs simply isn't present. 1 street is nothing - for economies of scale to function correctly it'd need to be a lot bigger than that and the test would need to be a lot longer.

There is also going to be a good bit of going to "private" companies that actually are the ones who have a special licence from the council anyway.

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As China moved away from communism they opened up economic free zones. Citizens could go there if they wanted or stay in the area they already were in. First just a few zones were created, then many across the nation. The first I believe was Shenzen, which in 1980 was rice paddies. Today its a bustling city of 8 million.

I would like to see some libertarian free zones in Britain. Like you could buy any drug you wanted, no perscription. High rise buildings could be built. Your 12 year old could buy heroin if they wanted - thats actually the way it was in many nations in the late 1800's. Your pet need an operation? You could go to a certified veternarian or you could go to an uncertified one.. your choice.

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As China moved away from communism they opened up economic free zones. Citizens could go there if they wanted or stay in the area they already were in. First just a few zones were created, then many across the nation. The first I believe was Shenzen, which in 1980 was rice paddies. Today its a bustling city of 8 million.

I would like to see some libertarian free zones in Britain. Like you could buy any drug you wanted, no perscription. High rise buildings could be built. Your 12 year old could buy heroin if they wanted - thats actually the way it was in many nations in the late 1800's. Your pet need an operation? You could go to a certified veternarian or you could go to an uncertified one.. your choice.

As long as it had a one-way immigration policy I could live with that. Otherwise all of the 'broken' (drug addicted, debt riddled, diseased etc.) people it would lead to would just be inflicted on the rest of the country at our cost.

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As long as it had a one-way immigration policy I could live with that. Otherwise all of the 'broken' (drug addicted, debt riddled, diseased etc.) people it would lead to would just be inflicted on the rest of the country at our cost.

Yes you are right. I'm wondering how China dealt with this, with their free economic zones. I am thinking they put in place a tax that was enough to cover those broken ones who wandered back.

Of course part of the libertarian argument is people are less likely to do irresponsible things if there is no safety net. Like I can imagine the pressure to abort a baby for a single mom if there was no free housing and no child benefits or welfare.

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Grasping at straws I see...

1 could be considered fluff tbh, it is what fire is for.

There's only so much you can burn.

Cooked food waste fed to wild birds on garage roof.

Waste vegetable peelings etc, garden cuttings and shredded paper on the compost pile.

Our black bin goes out rarely but what do you suggest we do with cans & glass bottles?

While plastic can be burned, the smoke is not exactly pleasant.

As consumers it's not exactly easy to buy many things without packaging which needs to be collected and taken away.

I'd like to see businesses/shops responsible for the excessive packaging of their products. If they were, I am sure they would come up with ways of selling things with less waste.

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Of course part of the libertarian argument is people are less likely to do irresponsible things if there is no safety net.

In a way the perfect system, you can choose the mini-state where the rules best suit you.

Injin, for example could live in an area where there are no rules, no tax, no governance.

Some of the lefties could live in a socialist utopia of 100% taxation, 100% regulation, top down government planning and enforcement.

Everyone else could live some where in between.

The only problem I can see is with law enforcement. If you have a state with none.. you would return to tribal/gang control, effectively driving out the people who would otherwise enjoy the freedoms on offer. Perhaps you could have a bare minimum in any one state.. then a sliding scales there after?

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In a way the perfect system, you can choose the mini-state where the rules best suit you.

Injin, for example could live in an area where there are no rules, no tax, no governance.

Some of the lefties could live in a socialist utopia of 100% taxation, 100% regulation, top down government planning and enforcement.

Everyone else could live some where in between.

The only problem I can see is with law enforcement. If you have a state with none.. you would return to tribal/gang control, effectively driving out the people who would otherwise enjoy the freedoms on offer. Perhaps you could have a bare minimum in any one state.. then a sliding scales there after?

Libertarians are not anarchists, they want a small police force to enforce common law, and courts to punish criminals and enforce contracts.

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Where did you get that figure from. It costs less than a £1 to collect refuse from a household and bury it. DEFRA did a survey a while back and they found people perceived the cost to be far higher than it actually was. If the council services were disbanded and outsourced then competition may open up leading to a fall in the prices they charge today.

It was a wild guess. Considering waste collection is one of the few services people actually willingly pay council tax for, I guessed it would be the most expensive.

Oh well, even more money left in people's pockets. What a hellish vision for Lefties.

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