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Not watched it for a while but had to channel hop away because I could not help but feel so angry about the muppets who don't like hearing about how much debt we were left in.

*sighs*

Those who rolls their eyes and hiss when someone dares mention the financial mess nulabour left all need sorting out.

How do you explain to people that you can't just keep on spending?

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I think the general populous do get it. Hence why the Conservatives did quite well in the recent elections. QT audiences are comprised mostly of Unison members, so don't expect a representative example.

Really the best thing to do with this show, is not watch it. Its in serious decline anyway and it wouldn't take too much to kill it off. You can take a horse to water, but can't make it drink.

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I might make a complaint actually. It's hardly balanced having a red audience.

Who will you complain to? The BBC for some reason is self regulating. There was a scandal that a Labour candidate at one time dealt with viewers complaints! You can't go to Ofcom, cos the BBC is exempt, which leaves the BBC itself or the pointless, self serving, jobs for the boys, BBC Trust. You could try a letter to the new BBC Chairman, but he'll go "native" in time, its his last job before "retirement" and more likely your complaint will go in the bin. Just stop watching, and refuse to pay the BBC tax.

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after the channel 4 discussion format programme on selling off national assets to cut the debt (the audience voted to sell nothign off at all and all cheered, KGM seemed embarrassed by the bias in the audience), I think it is clear that most TV media outlets get comandeered by the left, as did the crowd-scene outside number 10 when Cameron was installed as Prime Minister.

I suspect not only QT, but the format in general, is going into decline. The silent majority have radio phone-ins, newspaper letters to the editor, and now internet forums, to discuss these issues on. Main advantage of TV is that even an illogical argument can be dressed up, which is why the current left go for it so much.

edit: on the subject of the silent majority - remember 18 months or so ago the French protests on the street - quite severe - against raising state retirement age in France to 63? - well, that law got passed a few months ago with barely a whimper; Sarkozy (a political/economic conservative within the French lexicon) said all along the silent sensible majority would let it go thru, ansd he was right.

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Bit of a silly question perhaps.... but who actually has time to go to these shows? Aren't we all busy working to prop up the economy?

Plus, I'd only ever go to a TV filming if I got bribed with alcohol or food, do QT provide either?

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Cheese sandwiches and orange squash.

Bit of a silly question perhaps.... but who actually has time to go to these shows? Aren't we all busy working to prop up the economy?

Plus, I'd only ever go to a TV filming if I got bribed with alcohol or food, do QT provide either?

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edit: on the subject of the silent majority - remember 18 months or so ago the French protests on the street - quite severe - against raising state retirement age in France to 63? - well, that law got passed a few months ago with barely a whimper; Sarkozy (a political/economic conservative within the French lexicon) said all along the silent sensible majority would let it go thru, ansd he was right.

The polls showed an overwhelming majority against the law. There were millions on the streets. The law was passed, as you rightly say. The "sensible" majority? Not so sure. Sarkozy's UMP party is decimated. Routed in the recent local canton elections (the least important of all French elections for a govt).

There's the Presidentiel election next year. I'm sure Sarkozy's opponents will be reminding the electorate of this law and how his stubborness passed it , in spite of public opinion. The silent majority will have their say. They might just decide "Non, merci. Monsieur Sarkozy" ;)

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Bit of a silly question perhaps.... but who actually has time to go to these shows?

The unemployed, those on benefits, students, public sector workers on flexi time.. ahh

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after the channel 4 discussion format programme on selling off national assets to cut the debt (the audience voted to sell nothign off at all and all cheered, KGM seemed embarrassed by the bias in the audience), I think it is clear that most TV media outlets get comandeered by the left, as did the crowd-scene outside number 10 when Cameron was installed as Prime Minister.

But selling things off is a completely different thing to making cuts. I'd hope that anyone with an ounce of common sense realises that serious cuts are needed (we can quibble about exactly where) but sell-offs are quick cash-grabbing and then it's gone for good. No taste for sell-offs isn't "comandeered by the left" (and neither is being against cuts since it's born out of ignorance and not politics), it's simply not being much further right than most people.

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The unemployed, those on benefits, students, public sector workers on flexi time.. ahh

Yeah, it's true. The QT audience is often rabidly 'anti'Tory'. I don't say left wing because if Will Self or Ian Hislop tear a strip from the Labour Party they lap it up nonetheless.

Just the usual anti-Thatcher(although they're not clear why exactly) tribal thickos. Half of them weren't even born then by the looks of it.

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I might make a complaint actually. It's hardly balanced having a red audience.

Out of interest, how do the Beeb know when dishing out tickets how red, blue or yellow people are? Do they know at all? Do they ask? Has anyone here applied for tickets and been asked?

Even if they do ask, anyone could lie.

If it's a QT in somewhere like Guildford they're presumably going to assume that blues and yellows will dominate, equally in e.g. Southwark they'll assume a load of red.

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I've applied several times and never got on.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/1858613.stm

9. If there were a General Election tomorrow, which political party would you be most likely to vote for?

Conservative

Labour

Liberal Democrats

Green

Scottish National

Plaid Cymru

Ulster Unionist

Democratic Unionist

Sinn Fein

Social Democrat & Labour

Alliance

UKIP

Would not vote

Undecided

Other (please state)

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As I've said on here before I am left of centre / social democratic etc but not New Labour.

Just as there are accusations of the "left" being unable to see the connect between relatively high spending under Labour administrations and relatively high rhetoric about cuts under the following Tory administrations I also think the right have blindspots.

As a nation we owned lots of houses that were rented out to the population generating an income stream for the nation and suppressing the value of privately owned house prices. Selling off all these houses, at a discount, or transferring the ownership to third parties removed a revenue stream for the country, increased house values and we still ended up housing the population but instead of the money going into the nations pockets it goes to private landlords.

This is at the heart of the housing and budgetary crisis and is all due to the fact that right-wingers cannot stand the state making money when it could be going to a rich person instead.

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The polls showed an overwhelming majority against the law.

yes, showed, past tense, and then they changed their minds once the dust had settled, and the economic situation bequeathed by socialism entered even more sharp relief with the downfall of Portugal and unrest in the Middle East

as to Sarkozy's prospects, I understand the socialist opposition still aren't sure on their leader or their election rhetoric - look like a shambles

There's the Presidentiel election next year. I'm sure Sarkozy's opponents will be reminding the electorate of this law and how his stubborness passed it , in spite of public opinion. The silent majority will have their say. They might just decide "Non, merci. Monsieur Sarkozy" ;)

or so the left wing press like to hope - seeing as the left wing across europe appears to be in tatters

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Not watched it for a while but had to channel hop away because I could not help but feel so angry about the muppets who don't like hearing about how much debt we were left in.

*sighs*

Those who rolls their eyes and hiss when someone dares mention the financial mess nulabour left all need sorting out.

Quite agree, it's getting to the stage now I'm turning away from politics as an interest. There doesn't seem to be any debt just a slanging match between the Conservatives and Labour, by jumping in with the Tories the Lib Dems have become an irrelevance.

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As I've said on here before I am left of centre / social democratic etc but not New Labour.

Just as there are accusations of the "left" being unable to see the connect between relatively high spending under Labour administrations and relatively high rhetoric about cuts under the following Tory administrations I also think the right have blindspots.

As a nation we owned lots of houses that were rented out to the population generating an income stream for the nation and suppressing the value of privately owned house prices. Selling off all these houses, at a discount, or transferring the ownership to third parties removed a revenue stream for the country, increased house values and we still ended up housing the population but instead of the money going into the nations pockets it goes to private landlords.

This is at the heart of the housing and budgetary crisis and is all due to the fact that right-wingers cannot stand the state making money when it could be going to a rich person instead.

Private landlords or.... normal working council tenants who jumped at the chance of owning their own property. I understand that from a leftie perspective owning your own house and maintaining it from your own pocket is something you just DON'T do (see baroness Udin, Bob Crow and endless labour cronies poncing off the social housing stock).

I don't see why housing is something we have to manage in the manner of a Soviet Tractor factory... we do need to set rules but we don't need to be forcing poor people to live in vile barrack blocks made from concrete because it gives us a warm ideological glow.

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I understand the socialist opposition still aren't sure on their leader or their election rhetoric - look like a shambles

The are proposing reverting the law to retirement at 60... but I seem to recall it was a bit of a scam as you would not get the same benefits. Hey, you could retire at 30 if you were prepared to eat grass and live in a box.

For the socialists the elephant in the room is DSK, until he decides whether he wants to return to a life of gorging on champagne and truffles in Paris the party is paralyzed.

DSK is another of these dreadful career politicians who has never done a proper day's work in his life.

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As I've said on here before I am left of centre / social democratic etc but not New Labour.

Just as there are accusations of the "left" being unable to see the connect between relatively high spending under Labour administrations and relatively high rhetoric about cuts under the following Tory administrations I also think the right have blindspots.

As a nation we owned lots of houses that were rented out to the population generating an income stream for the nation and suppressing the value of privately owned house prices. Selling off all these houses, at a discount, or transferring the ownership to third parties removed a revenue stream for the country, increased house values and we still ended up housing the population but instead of the money going into the nations pockets it goes to private landlords.

This is at the heart of the housing and budgetary crisis and is all due to the fact that right-wingers cannot stand the state making money when it could be going to a rich person instead.

IMO, this is because both the left and right both engage in deficit spending.

There is an argument for more tax/spend or less tax/spend. These arguments have been mostly muted by Labour spending borrowed money while keeping the taxes the same, with the Tories spending borrowed money to cut taxes. It's as if either is 'free' and the electorate has completely fallen for it; they are unable or unwilling to see that taxation and spending must be linked to be sustainable.

The ever increasing borrowing must stop. It has to stop. Maybe then we can actually have a proper left vs right debate again, i.e. do we want more tax and more services OR do we want less tax and less services?

EDIT: P.S. To add, it's about time the left took on the rentiers too, instead of trying to join them.

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I don't see why housing is something we have to manage in the manner of a Soviet Tractor factory... we do need to set rules but we don't need to be forcing poor people to live in vile barrack blocks made from concrete because it gives us a warm ideological glow.

Or conversely starving on the streets, or at least having to give what little they have to some rich landlord, all because it gives us a warm ideological glow.

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As I've said on here before I am left of centre / social democratic etc but not New Labour.

Just as there are accusations of the "left" being unable to see the connect between relatively high spending under Labour administrations and relatively high rhetoric about cuts under the following Tory administrations I also think the right have blindspots.

As a nation we owned lots of houses that were rented out to the population generating an income stream for the nation and suppressing the value of privately owned house prices. Selling off all these houses, at a discount, or transferring the ownership to third parties removed a revenue stream for the country, increased house values and we still ended up housing the population but instead of the money going into the nations pockets it goes to private landlords.

This is at the heart of the housing and budgetary crisis and is all due to the fact that right-wingers cannot stand the state making money when it could be going to a rich person instead.

I too was always against the sell-off of the council housing stock however you are labouring under a misconception. Council housing was not a revenue generator in most areas as the council was liable for maintenance and most tenants abused the properties and refused to maintain them in any way. My parents were involved in Conservative policy at the time so I can tell you that a large part of the policy direction was due to this.

It’s a bit of a conundrum. There are considerable benefits to providing state housing affordably but how to you ensure that people take reasonable care of the properties when they don't own them?

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The are proposing reverting the law to retirement at 60... but I seem to recall it was a bit of a scam as you would not get the same benefits. Hey, you could retire at 30 if you were prepared to eat grass and live in a box.

For the socialists the elephant in the room is DSK, until he decides whether he wants to return to a life of gorging on champagne and truffles in Paris the party is paralyzed.

DSK is another of these dreadful career politicians who has never done a proper day's work in his life.

and yet the left-leaning press seems to see him as some sort of glorious-leader figure - bit like they saw GB 5 years ago...!?!

word is he will only seek to lead the French socialists if he is likely to be president - ie only if they are going to win, bit like GB's arrangement to gain power after 2005

ok, so they get DSK for the next election, the most likely socialist platform for an election win, and then what ;)

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