Public Sector Pay 43% Higher

[leicestersq]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8501369/Workers-in-the-public-sector-are-more-than-40pc-better-off.html

Surprised no one has picked up on this.

If you want to get on, you know where to work.

[SHERWICK]

Must be the fault of the bankers.

[Timak]

This is one of those threads where us wealth producing IT contractors who spend all day on the internet for £500 a day complain about those overpaid and lazy nurses and teachers.

[ken_ichikawa]

It woke me up on the radio actually. This is why I fully support tax avoidance and evasion. As there is no method to say no to tax it is merely extortion.

Edited May 9, 2011 by ken_ichikawa

[Live Peasant]

It woke me up on the radio actually. This is why I fully support tax avoidance and evasion. As there is no method to say no to tax it is merely extortion.

You shouldn't listen to crazy fools like Injin, they'll just mess with your head.

[Si1]

This is one of those threads where us wealth producing IT contractors who spend all day on the internet for £500 a day complain about those overpaid and lazy nurses and teachers.

the irony of a contractor on generous public sector contracts using nurses and teachers, patients and pupils, as a human shield to protect his own little world is lost on only yourself

you lost the election, and then you lost the next election

[TwoWolves]

This is one of those threads where us wealth producing IT contractors who spend all day on the internet for £500 a day complain about those overpaid and lazy nurses and teachers.

If it was useful people like that few people would complain but most of the money goes to ineffectual managers, political appointees and bean-counters. The deal with being a government employee always used to be less money for more security, considering its the private sector that bankrolls government I think it needs to go back to that before the state defaults on its debt mountain. Not so much to do with what's fair but more to do with what's sustainable.

[ken_ichikawa]

You shouldn't listen to crazy fools like Injin, they'll just mess with your head.

How is it crazy and foolish? Does it feel good to be raped constantly? Perhaps you are suffering from stockholm syndrome. As before there is no mechanism of which to refuse anything the public sector offers as refusal is backed up with thugs.

Ask yourself this how does it benefit me to be paying for public sector pensions? Not one jot.

[ken_ichikawa]

If it was useful people like that few people would complain but most of the money goes to ineffectual managers, political appointees and bean-counters. The deal with being a government employee always used to be less money for more security, considering its the private sector that bankrolls government I think it needs to go back to that before the state defaults on its debt mountain. Not so much to do with what's fair but more to do with what's sustainable.

BURN HIM!

[noodle doodle]

Before you get excited, it's provable ********

"For example' date=' the report says that primary school teachers in state education typically earned £33,140 after banking a pay rise of 2.1 per cent, compared with a 12 per cent pay cut for the same job in a private school, where the average salary was £21,159 in 2010. "[/quote']

The private schools in eburgh pay as well if not more than the state schools, and chuck in subsidised fees for the teachers own kids.

http://www.privateschools.co.uk/school-guide/teaching-private-schools/faq-teaching-in-private-schools/

Do private schools provide salaries' date=' terms and conditions comparable to those in the maintained sector?

Terms and conditions of service vary throughout the independent sector. Many private schools have a longer working day, but the holidays are also significantly longer. Benefits made available to staff vary greatly but salaries are competitive. Many schools use the main national salary scale as a minimum, often enhancing it by adding an agreed percentage. Larger schools often have their own pay scales, which are likely to above the standard scales. Standard UK teacher pay scales can be checked on The Training and Development Agency for Schools website.

[/quote']

You always post toss like this leicestersq despite knowing, and you must by now, that it'll be shown to be absolute ********. Give yourself a break from it.

PS Example 1 from a cursory search of the TES job portal:

ROBERT GORDON'S COLLEGE

Applications are invited from registered teachers, or teachers eligible for registration, for the post of :-

Teacher of Computing

Salary will be based on SNCT scales together with the Robert Gordon's Allowance of 6%. The candidate will be expected to contribute to the extra-curricular activities of the College and take a full part In school life. The post will be tenable from August 2011.

Edited May 9, 2011 by noodle doodle

[ken_ichikawa]

Before you get excited, it's provable ********

The private schools in eburgh pay as well if not more than the state schools, and chuck in subsidised fees for the teachers own kids.

You always post toss like this leicestersq despite knowing, and you must by now, that it'll be shown to be absolute ********. Give yourself a break from it.

I suppose I could be considered a private sector teacher because I'm often bored and the girls are extremely hot and naive. I get expenses only.

[zilly]

If it was useful people like that few people would complain but most of the money goes to ineffectual managers, political appointees and bean-counters. The deal with being a government employee always used to be less money for more security, considering its the private sector that bankrolls government I think it needs to go back to that before the state defaults on its debt mountain. Not so much to do with what's fair but more to do with what's sustainable.

Well in days (long) gone by, one would enter public service because of the old fashioned notion of, er, public service.

The greater good and all that.

Then the 80s happened and all notion of the greater good was discarded.

The only interest was/is self interest. Anything else is nasty socialism. Greed is socially acceptable.

Hence the nest-lining we see in the public sector is merely a symptom of a way of living that was thrust upon us thirty years ago or so, and has now become the norm ie looking after number one.

You can't expect people to exist in this system and not be affected by it - to want a slice of the pie.

And if that means your tax money is to pay for it - tough. The people taking these big salaries are just looking after number one, and hence are simply living by contemporary standards.

I ain't defending it - but it is a symptom of a greater malaise. And it shouldn't be surprising, when all life is about is money and material wealth.

[plummet expert]

If it was useful people like that few people would complain but most of the money goes to ineffectual managers, political appointees and bean-counters. The deal with being a government employee always used to be less money for more security, considering its the private sector that bankrolls government I think it needs to go back to that before the state defaults on its debt mountain. Not so much to do with what's fair but more to do with what's sustainable.

It's been coming on a long time. Labour allowed much of the increased public spending going into public services, to be spent on wages!! Remember that? Studies found that only a small % of the increased spending was actually going towards buildings, equipment etc.

They should be forced to open up the jobs on offer to anyone who can show they could do them, not jus someone already in public service. Have you ever tried to get a publicly piad job only to find a polite decline, followed by finding the appointed person was already in a related dept and had fewr life skills, if indeed any worthwhile skills atall. FAR TOO MANY OVERDESCRIBED NON JOBS TOO. Taxpayers should complain about thos much more frankly. Come on TAXPAYERS ALLCANCE..

[swissy_fit]

This is one of those threads where us wealth producing IT contractors who spend all day on the internet for £500 a day complain about those overpaid and lazy nurses and teachers.

[ken_ichikawa]

They should be forced to open up the jobs on offer to anyone who can show they could do them, not jus someone already in public service. Have you ever tried to get a publicly piad job only to find a polite decline, followed by finding the appointed person was already in a related dept and had fewr life skills,

The thing is they already go through the motions of this, without the secret hand shake or knowing somebody already working there the public sector is very difficult to get into.

Funnily the a week or so ago a public sector type told me he agreed with many facets of the PS arguement about how many are deskilled and incapable of doing anything else thus plodded along till retirement. But he then went on to say how it was unfair to throw millions onto the scrap heap who were unemployable anywhere else.

With great irony he also complained about how high his tax bill is, about how every £1000 he 'earned' 50% was taxed.... he didn't get the irony of his position.

[Warwick-Watcher]

It's been coming on a long time. Labour allowed much of the increased public spending going into public services, to be spent on wages!! Remember that? Studies found that only a small % of the increased spending was actually going towards buildings, equipment etc.

It was an investment by Gordon Brown - an investment in Labour party votes that is.

Higher wages = loyal supporters.

:angry:

[_w_]

Must be the fault of the bankers.

Very insightful because as a matter of fact it is. They are the enabler of deficit spending.

[Si1]

But he then went on to say how it was unfair to throw millions onto the scrap heap who were unemployable anywhere else.

not technically true - some of them might be good in Asda or Pizza Express, not sure they would be permitted to call themselves 'retail sales champion (solo checkout)' or 'pizza distibution officer' tho.

[Jack's Creation]

Very insightful because as a matter of fact it is. They are the enabler of deficit spending.

It doesn't matter what political hue it is, any Govt that runs a budget deficit will do everything in it's power to bail the *banking system out. Nobody else is able to buy their bonds. The politicians are bailing themselves out. If the system falls, so do they.

*This includes various sovereign wealth, private investment and pension funds ( the ones that are public sector funded, will be, I guess just a form of tax recycling as they will net out negatively)

[exiges]

This is an article based on the same report

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13329634

How can this be stopped ?

The report said the gap - or pay premium - between what a typical public sector worker earns above their equivalent in the private sector has increased to 16.5% over the past two years for salaried workers.

But it says this has risen by 35% for workers paid by the hour, despite efforts by the government to reduce the public sector wage bill.

Edited May 9, 2011 by exiges

[Bloo Loo]

This is an article based on the same report

http://www.bbc.co.uk...siness-13329634

How can this be stopped ?

in spite of headline low rises, payscales knock the reality for 6.

[_w_]

It doesn't matter what political hue it is, any Govt that runs a budget deficit will do everything in it's power to bail the *banking system out. Nobody else is able to buy their bonds. The politicians are bailing themselves out. If the system falls, so do they.

*This includes various sovereign wealth, private investment and pension funds ( the ones that are public sector funded, will be, I guess just a form of tax recycling as they will net out negatively)

Yes but this time I was writing about the fact that the banks' job, under the central banking system, is to permanently bail out deficit spending governments.

[exiges]

in spite of headline low rises, payscales knock the reality for 6.

Imagine how utterly f*cked it'd be without the "cuts"

[Georgia O'Keeffe]

This is an article based on the same report

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13329634

How can this be stopped ?

im in the Bloo Loo Camp, cut all public sector salaries above 1m by 3% and watch it naturally cascade down

[Si1]

I think the timing of the report is no coincidence - it comes at the medium term high water mark of conservative political might

next year is going to see real pain in the public sector, nominal wage and jobs cuts, and the unions are virtually powerless given the weakness of Labour and the Libdems

any protest or anger from the public will be outflanked and outmanouvred by the sheer pace of change

the boiling frog has been tranferred to the microwave oven