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Fuel protesters are staging a go-slow on major routes towards Cheshire's Stanlow oil refinery, where they plan to impose a blockade. The M56, M62 and M6 in Greater Manchester, Cheshire and Staffordshire are affected along with the A55 in north Wales and the A5 in Shropshire. About 600 lorry drivers, farmers and bikers are joining 20mph convoys.

Seems a sizeable protest!!

Last time this happened (in 2000) Blair rushed a Bill through giving the authorities the power to shoot these protesters (and anyone supporting them) on sight.

I suspect the British Stazi's version the US Bin Laden Kill Team will be along soon to put this revolt down.

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As always the real danger/power in this lies with the Tanker drivers themselves. If they go on widespread strike, it is only the army that could react and then it would very much be emergency supplies only.

Around 1981/82 there was a similar threat and I was brought back from Germany (was in the army) to be on standby to drive tankers if required. As such we ere briefed on the plan and it did not involve roadside filling stations.

In 2000 I worked in the supply chain for (as was then) Safeway Supermarkets. 4 Days in and the firms distribution depots were running short of diesel, which in itself was not as immediatley pressing as many of the drivers could not get to work due to no petrol. Plans were drawn up where our 'key workers' the food delivery drivers were to be given vouchers to allow them to buy petrol at designated fuel stations so they could get to work. We were also told that the Army would be delivering diesel into the main distribution depots. All the other big players such as Tesco and Sains were in the same boat.

Some of the further flung areas of the UK's supermarkets shelves began to empty quite markedly and it was only the lifting of the blockade that allowed 'normal service' to resume.It took over a Month before things were back as they were before the blockade. If they could have stuck it out another couple of days they would probably have got everything they wanted.

The scale of the problems with the food supply chain through the UK scared the jeebies out of the Government which brought about the Civil Contingencies Act which gives them additional powers to stop protests if they reach the same scale again.

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I would have what you need at home in case supply disruptions occur. We maybe confident in paying for petrol when it hits £2/L or bread becomes £3 a loaf; but actually buying anything maybe impossible at whatever price. Shops are keeping inventory under control since the financial crisis to keep on top of cashflow.

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As always the real danger/power in this lies with the Tanker drivers themselves. If they go on widespread strike, it is only the army that could react and then it would very much be emergency supplies only.

Around 1981/82 there was a similar threat and I was brought back from Germany (was in the army) to be on standby to drive tankers if required. As such we ere briefed on the plan and it did not involve roadside filling stations.

In 2000 I worked in the supply chain for (as was then) Safeway Supermarkets. 4 Days in and the firms distribution depots were running short of diesel, which in itself was not as immediatley pressing as many of the drivers could not get to work due to no petrol. Plans were drawn up where our 'key workers' the food delivery drivers were to be given vouchers to allow them to buy petrol at designated fuel stations so they could get to work. We were also told that the Army would be delivering diesel into the main distribution depots. All the other big players such as Tesco and Sains were in the same boat.

Some of the further flung areas of the UK's supermarkets shelves began to empty quite markedly and it was only the lifting of the blockade that allowed 'normal service' to resume.It took over a Month before things were back as they were before the blockade. If they could have stuck it out another couple of days they would probably have got everything they wanted.

The scale of the problems with the food supply chain through the UK scared the jeebies out of the Government which brought about the Civil Contingencies Act which gives them additional powers to stop protests if they reach the same scale again.

Terrific post Geezer,

I remember the time this happened before. I wasnt as close to it as you, but I could see that things were getting close to anarchy. The supermarkets feed the people, and if you dont have food you stop work and try and get some. Our whole nation would have just melted down.

I am not sure what the fuel protestors want. Less tax on petrol? I think that they had better be careful what they wish for. Put up tax, people adjust their lives so that they use less of it. That means more frugal cars, living closer to work, or even cycling to work or perhaps walking. It means that we use less fuel.

That has to be a good thing right now, I wouldnt want to be in an economy over reliant on super cheap fuel. Making fuel cheaper now is just plain daft.

And if they do take the duty off of fuel, how would the protestors balance the books if they were in power? Which schools and hospitals would they close? Now I know that I want cuts to stuff, particularly wages and pensions in the public sector, but that is different to what we are seeing here, which is a belief that the government can do much to make things cheaper and better for people.

Cutting fuel duty may be an option of course, but doing that is stupid. Firstly it shows protestors that they can blackmail themselves a bit of cheaper fuel, which sets a precedent for others. Secondly the difference needs to be found from somewhere. Thirdly, cheaper fuel encourage less thrifty use of fuel, bad given that we are at the point of peak oil.

So whilst I feel bad that it costs a lot more to fill up at the pumps, all this protest can do is bring the country to its knees one way or another. The government has no magic wand it can wave to give the protestors what they want. All it can do is prevent the descent into anarchy that so nearly happened last time.

What I dont get is why are so many people boneheaded when it comes to the operation of markets? Crude oil prices have risen, signalling to producers to bring more of the stuff on line. Do they want to cancel out that signal?

I truly despair.

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Terrific post Geezer,

I remember the time this happened before. I wasnt as close to it as you, but I could see that things were getting close to anarchy. The supermarkets feed the people, and if you dont have food you stop work and try and get some. Our whole nation would have just melted down.

I am not sure what the fuel protestors want. Less tax on petrol? I think that they had better be careful what they wish for. Put up tax, people adjust their lives so that they use less of it. That means more frugal cars, living closer to work, or even cycling to work or perhaps walking. It means that we use less fuel.

That has to be a good thing right now, I wouldnt want to be in an economy over reliant on super cheap fuel. Making fuel cheaper now is just plain daft.

And if they do take the duty off of fuel, how would the protestors balance the books if they were in power? Which schools and hospitals would they close? Now I know that I want cuts to stuff, particularly wages and pensions in the public sector, but that is different to what we are seeing here, which is a belief that the government can do much to make things cheaper and better for people.

Cutting fuel duty may be an option of course, but doing that is stupid. Firstly it shows protestors that they can blackmail themselves a bit of cheaper fuel, which sets a precedent for others. Secondly the difference needs to be found from somewhere. Thirdly, cheaper fuel encourage less thrifty use of fuel, bad given that we are at the point of peak oil.

So whilst I feel bad that it costs a lot more to fill up at the pumps, all this protest can do is bring the country to its knees one way or another. The government has no magic wand it can wave to give the protestors what they want. All it can do is prevent the descent into anarchy that so nearly happened last time.

What I dont get is why are so many people boneheaded when it comes to the operation of markets? Crude oil prices have risen, signalling to producers to bring more of the stuff on line. Do they want to cancel out that signal?

I truly despair.

I think dropping fuel duties and taxes to only 100% would be a fair start.

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I think dropping fuel duties and taxes to only 100% would be a fair start.

What would you tax more or spend less of to make up the difference?

And why do you think it would be a good thing to encourage greater use of fuel that will occur if you cut the tax?

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I think dropping fuel duties and taxes to only 100% would be a fair start.

Mind you, if this protest really has legs, like last time, then that will cause the bond market to crash.

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What would you tax more or spend less of to make up the difference?

And why do you think it would be a good thing to encourage greater use of fuel that will occur if you cut the tax?

Hey, if you don't want others to use it, buy it yourself and keep it from them.

Otherwise, might I suggest it's got naff all to do with you?

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For a start they could eradicate the duty and bring the VAT down to 10% on road fuels to bring us in line with say a fairer system like the US. :rolleyes:

Of course this would have to be paid for but I wouldn't close any hospitals or schools the answer is simples. Shave 50% off the housing benefit bill and introduce emergency legislation to ensure fair rents for all.

Of course my plan has flaws in it and deserves to be shot down in flames however I only put it here cos it will get lots of sympathy (and support) in here..... :lol:

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Doesn't he already buy it by proxy in all the other products and services used?

Do you know, you are right.

I just bought a twix and it came free with the north seas entire oil supply. ;p

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No, I am wrong, the Twix arrived in the shop by magic carpet.

Scroll up the thread, read what was originally written, feel stupid about getting the wrong end of the stick and we'll say no more.

Deal?

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TPTB have to adapt new nastier tactics this time. Maybe crush some skulls and break some legs..

Namely as the protestors have gotten wise to many of the stazi tactics used by the thugs. Like sending bills to the protestors for 'police escorts' or sending thugs around to 'talk' some sense into the ring leaders. All this meant protests are decentralised and spread only amongst trusted long termers.

For instance the M62-M60 biker protest a few years back, it was kept under wraps and anybody who had not been in the biking community was not told of the protest. We kept it in secret forums whereby you needed to be a member for years and have a big wedge of posts to be allowed it. We did this to prevent police from sending agent provocateurs to label us baddies. And sending us a bill.

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surely most HPCers carry a months food stash.I do.Water too.

Sure, but more important is the means to defend your stash and even more important is the ability to relieve other people of their stashes as well. I live on a street with lots of old people which means I have plentiful supplies and can sell erm 'pork stew' to other people in exchange for their shiny shiny.

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Sure, but more important is the means to defend your stash and even more important is the ability to relieve other people of their stashes as well. I live on a street with lots of old people which means I have plentiful supplies and can sell erm 'pork stew' to other people in exchange for their shiny shiny.

I like your style.

:lol:

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I wouldnt want to be in an economy over reliant on super cheap fuel

Isn't that the economy we are living in though (and globally too).

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surely most HPCers carry a months food stash.I do.Water too.

Most people in the UK carry much more than a month's food stash, in the form of ar5e fat.

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Most people in the UK carry much more than a month's food stash, in the form of ar5e fat.

When the smoke clears, the citizens of Barnsley will inherit what's left of the nation.

Kappa tops and Silk Cut will be the new gold and silver. Invest now!

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Great timing as usual by the trucker dumbos wanting fuel duty tax to be shifted onto a higher rate of VAT on fuel, reclaimable by themselves.

Have you a link for these VAT demands? Thanks.

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