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Nearly Half Of Detroiters Can’T Read

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According to a new report, 47 percent of Detroiters are ”functionally illiterate.” The alarming new statistics were released by the Detroit Regional Workforce Fund on Wednesday.

WWJ Newsradio 950 spoke with the Fund’s Director, Karen Tyler-Ruiz, who explained exactly what this means.

“Not able to fill out basic forms, for getting a job — those types of basic everyday (things). Reading a prescription; what’s on the bottle, how many you should take… just your basic everyday tasks,” she said.

“I don’t really know how they get by, but they do. Are they getting by well? Well, that’s another question,” Tyler-Ruiz said.

Some of the Detroit suburbs also have high numbers of functionally illiterate: 34 percent in Pontiac and 24 percent in Southfield.

“For other major urban areas, we are a little bit on the high side… We compare, slightly higher, to Washington D.C.’s urban population, in certain ZIP codes in Washington D.C. and in Cleveland,” she said.

Tyler-Ruiz said only 10 percent of those who can’t read have gotten any help to resolve it.

So, Detroit's standing in world literacy is right between Togo and Bhutan!

Shocking.

Way to go America! Ford always said, quality is job #1.

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So, Detroit's standing in world literacy is right between Togo and Bhutan!

Shocking.

Way to go America! Ford always said, quality is job #1.

This says 99% of the over 15s in the US can read and write, though that presumably does not imply they can comprehend what they read. I suspect both statistics are nonsense :-)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html

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So, Detroit's standing in world literacy is right between Togo and Bhutan!

With the culture of gangster rap, guns, hard rock, bikers, militarism, gambling, drugs and porn so endemic in US culture this kind of outcome is only to be expected. The inmates have taken over the asylum.

So little of the culture that comes out of the US is geared towards genuine impartial intellectual stimuli. Even the likes of Discovery Channel is red-neck TV masquerading as education.

The US excels at so much yet gets it so horrendously wrong elsewhere.

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Place is full of blacks and middle eastern immigrants stuck in a cycle of poverty.

Burn the whole place down and start from scratch.

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Nottingham has a 43% literacy rate which is sad. Detroit has been in decline since the 1970's and is populated by very poor people who cannot afford to move. Contrast Detroit with Orange County in Californina and you will see that the US has pockets of illiteracy and larger pockets of highly educated productive people.

Detroit is often the focus of anti-American ism as it represents the extreme of decline. Much like Nottingham would be the extreme in this country. My guess is that few, if any, US news articles focus on Nottingham as being representative of the UK as a whole.

Overall, we are about the same as the US but you could single out places like Detroit and compare them with Guidlford in Surrey and be shocked I suppose:

Adult literacy rate (% aged 15 and above)

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Afghanistan

28.0

.

Albania

99.0

.

Algeria

74.6

.

Andorra

..

.

Angola

67.4

.

Antigua and Barbuda

85.8

.

Argentina

97.6

.

Armenia

99.5

.

Australia

99

.

Austria

99

.

Azerbaijan

99.3

.

Bahamas

..

.

Bahrain

88.3

.

Bangladesh

52.5

.

Barbados

99

.

Belarus

99.7

.

Belgium

99

.

Belize

75.1

.

Benin

39.7

.

Bhutan

54.3

.

Bolivia

89.8

.

Bosnia and Herzegovina

96.7

.

Botswana

82.1

.

Brazil

89.6

.

Brunei Darussalam

94.6

.

Bulgaria

98.3

.

Burkina Faso

26.0

.

Burundi

59.3

.

Cambodia

75.6

.

Cameroon

67.9

.

Canada

99.00

.

Cape Verde

83.0

.

Central African Republic

48.6

.

Chad

25.7

.

Chile

96.4

.

China

93.0

.

Colombia

92.3

.

Comoros

74.2

.

Congo

86.0

.

Congo (Democratic Republic of the)

67.2

.

Costa Rica

95.8

.

Côte d'Ivoire

48.7

.

Croatia

98.6

.

Cuba

99.8

.

Cyprus

97.6

.

Czech Republic

99

.

Denmark

99

.

Djibouti

..

.

Dominica

88.0

.

Dominican Republic

88.8

.

Ecuador

92.4

.

Egypt

71.4

.

El Salvador

83.6

.

Equatorial Guinea

87.0

.

Eritrea

..

.

Estonia

99.8

.

Ethiopia

35.9

.

Fiji

..

.

Finland

99

.

France

99

.

Gabon

85.4

.

Gambia

..

.

Georgia

99.00

.

Germany

99

.

Ghana

64.2

.

Greece

97.0

.

Grenada

..

.

Guatemala

72.5

.

Guinea

29.5

.

Guinea-Bissau

62.8

.

Guyana

..

.

Haiti

61.0

.

Honduras

82.6

.

Hong Kong, China (SAR)

..

.

Hungary

98.9

.

Iceland

99

.

India

65.2

.

Indonesia

91.0

.

Iran (Islamic Republic of)

84.0

.

Iraq

74.1

.

Ireland

99

.

Israel

97.1

.

Italy

98.8

.

Jamaica

85.5

.

Japan

99

.

Jordan

92.7

.

Kazakhstan

99.6

.

Kenya

73.6

.

Kiribati

..

.

Korea (Democratic People's Rep. of)

..

.

Korea (Republic of)

99

.

Kuwait

93.3

.

Kyrgyzstan

99.3

.

Lao People's Democratic Republic

72.5

.

Latvia

99.8

.

Lebanon

..

.

Lesotho

82.2

.

Liberia

54.4

.

Libyan Arab Jamahiriya

86.2

.

Liechtenstein

99

.

Lithuania

99.7

.

Luxembourg

99

.

Macedonia (TFYR)

96.8

.

Madagascar

70.7

.

Malawi

70.9

.

Malaysia

91.5

.

Maldives

97.0

.

Mali

22.9

.

Malta

91.4

.

Marshall Islands

..

.

Mauritania

55.2

.

Mauritius

87.0

.

Mexico

91.7

.

Micronesia (Federated States of)

..

.

Moldova

99.2

.

Monaco

99

.

Mongolia

97.4

.

Montenegro

96.4

.

Morocco

54.7

.

Mozambique

43.8

.

Myanmar

89.9

.

Namibia

87.6

.

Nauru

..

.

Nepal

55.2

.

Netherlands

99

.

New Zealand

99

.

Nicaragua

80.1

.

Niger

29.8

.

Nigeria

71.0

.

Norway

99

.

Occupied Palestinian Territories

92.4

.

Oman

83.7

.

Pakistan

54.2

.

Palau

..

.

Panama

93.2

.

Papua New Guinea

57.3

.

Paraguay

93.6

.

Peru

88.7

.

Philippines

93.3

.

Poland

99.3

.

Portugal

94.6

.

Qatar

89.8

.

Romania

97.6

.

Russian Federation

99.5

.

Rwanda

64.9

.

Saint Kitts and Nevis

97.8

.

Saint Lucia

94.8

.

Saint Vincent and the Grenadines

88.1

.

Samoa

98.7

.

San Marino

99

.

Sao Tome and Principe

87.5

.

Saudi Arabia

84.3

.

Senegal

42.0

.

Serbia

96.4

.

Seychelles

91.8

.

Sierra Leone

37.1

.

Singapore

94.2

.

Slovakia

99

.

Slovenia

99.7

.

Solomon Islands

76.6

.

Somalia

..

.

South Africa

87.6

.

Spain

97.4

.

Sri Lanka

90.8

.

Sudan

60.9

.

Suriname

90.1

.

Swaziland

79.6

.

Sweden

99

.

Switzerland

99

.

Syrian Arab Republic

82.5

.

Tajikistan

99.6

.

Tanzania (United Republic of)

72.0

.

Thailand

93.9

.

Timor-Leste

50.1

.

Togo

53.2

.

Tonga

99.2

.

Trinidad and Tobago

98.6

.

Tunisia

76.9

.

Turkey

88.1

.

Turkmenistan

99.5

.

Tuvalu

..

.

Uganda

72.6

.

Ukraine

99.7

.

United Arab Emirates

89.8

.

United Kingdom

99

.

United States

99

.

Uruguay

97.8

.

Uzbekistan

96.9

.

Vanuatu

77.3

.

Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of)

93.0

.

Viet Nam

90.3

.

Yemen

57.3

.

Zambia

68.0

.

Zimbabwe

90.7

.

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Place is full of blacks and middle eastern immigrants stuck in a cycle of poverty.

Burn the whole place down and start from scratch.

How is that going to teach them to read or give them a job?

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Not wishing to rubbish the statistics on the previous (overly lengthy) post, but there's no way that Australia has a 99% adult literacy rate.

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I suspect this 'functional illiteracy' is a moving goalpost. This will sound cynical, but presumably most of them are literate enough to sort out their welfare payments?

The report will be used to provide better training for local workers

I.e, the report will be used to justify more taxpayers' money being spent on literacy programmes providing work for the public sector/NGOs.

Surely they should be asking why, in a country with compulsory, 'free' education, so many cannot read in the first place?

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I suspect this 'functional illiteracy' is a moving goalpost.

It seems to be anything between recognising the letter "A" and settling down to enjoy Tolstoy.

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Nottingham has a 43% literacy rate which is sad. Detroit has been in decline since the 1970's and is populated by very poor people who cannot afford to move. Contrast Detroit with Orange County in Californina and you will see that the US has pockets of illiteracy and larger pockets of highly educated productive people.

Detroit is often the focus of anti-American ism as it represents the extreme of decline. Much like Nottingham would be the extreme in this country. My guess is that few, if any, US news articles focus on Nottingham as being representative of the UK as a whole.

Overall, we are about the same as the US but you could single out places like Detroit and compare them with Guidlford in Surrey and be shocked I suppose:

+1

All this report is saying is that in neighbourhoods where the population has few or no educational qualifications you find a high rate of illteracy. And wow, what a surprise, if you focus within such an area on the parts with the worst levels of educational qualifications you find even higher rates of illiteracy. By picking a suitable (small) neighbourhood you could produce similar distorted headlines for many parts of the UK.

Consider - is the 'City of London' the same thing as London? Or are people in the city rather different from Londoners as a whole? Never mind being different from British people as a whole.

According to Wikipedia "In 2010, the city had a population of 713,777 and ranked as the 18th most populous city in the United States"

Some other data on Detroit link

Population declined by 25% in the past decade. (USA as a whole - growth of 9%)

Population aged under 18 31% (USA as a whole 24%)

Population white 12% (USA as a whole 80%)

Detroit is a shrinking city with a very skewed population structure and ethnic mix. An exceptionally high proportion of children, and low level of pensioners. (High birth rate, low life expectancy) Very low proportion of kids finishing high school, very low proportion of people achieving a degree. Average income about 40% lower than the national average.

Find somewhere like that in the UK, and see if we're surprised at the literacy rate :)

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Nottingham has a 43% literacy rate which is sad. Detroit has been in decline since the 1970's and is populated by very poor people who cannot afford to move. Contrast Detroit with Orange County in Californina and you will see that the US has pockets of illiteracy and larger pockets of highly educated productive people.

Detroit is often the focus of anti-American ism as it represents the extreme of decline. Much like Nottingham would be the extreme in this country. My guess is that few, if any, US news articles focus on Nottingham as being representative of the UK as a whole.

Overall, we are about the same as the US but you could single out places like Detroit and compare them with Guidlford in Surrey and be shocked I suppose:

Adult literacy rate (% aged 15 and above)

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Tl:DR

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How is that going to teach them to read or give them a job?

They're no hopers , no point wasting cash on them.

They don't give a ******.

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Obviously it must be those nasty conservatives in charge.

Wait, no Detroit is a socialist democratic city and has been in all living memory.

Obviously the teachers arent paid well enough

http://www.mackinac.org/12781

http://www.mackinac.org/10743

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Public_Schools#Finances

Median compensation for a DPS teacher is $76,000 and Detroit spends the third highest amount of money per student among 76 large cities nationwide.

The 2008-2009 edition of the Michigan Department of Education's ranking of Michigan Public School financial data showed the mean Detroit Public School teacher's salary stood at $71,031, more than 14% higher than the state average of $62,237[26]. During the same period, the Michigan cohort graduation rate was 80.1%, while Detroit Public Schools' cohort graduation rate was 67.39%, 16% lower than the state average[27].

No, thats not it.

Well, i guess the infrastructure must be starved of funds.

Nope, 12 highest expenditure out of 50 states in Michigan alone, underperforming Detroit probably recieves far more.

http://www.ppinys.org/reports/jtf/educationspending.htm

Socialism at work, friends. I guess liebour was wrong, throw more money at a problem and it doesnt just go away.

$70k a year would buy a mansion in parts of Detroit too. Although i admit even for $70k i probably wouldnt dodge bullets teach there

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Place is full of blacks and middle eastern immigrants stuck in a cycle of poverty.

Burn the whole place down and start from scratch.

Thats what theyve been doing for the last 50 years!

Guess theyre too lazy to even do that properly/quickly!

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I find it very sad. I am so grateful that I had wonderful parents and wonderful parents that taught me to read, that I grew up in a country and a time when so much emphasis was put on such basic education.

I have a real thirst for knowledge and you share the human experience via reading other people's thoughts - yes, even on here also.

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So, Detroit's standing in world literacy is right between Togo and Bhutan!

Shocking.

Way to go America! Ford always said, quality is job #1.

Are you really sure that this equates to "can't read".

The PC brigade have invented this new term "functionally illiterate" to increase the numbers. It doesn't mean "can't read". It means "didn't pass any high school exams".

tim

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Nottingham has a 43% literacy rate which is sad. Detroit has been in decline since the 1970's and is populated by very poor people who cannot afford to move. Contrast Detroit with Orange County in Californina and you will see that the US has pockets of illiteracy and larger pockets of highly educated productive people.

Detroit is often the focus of anti-American ism as it represents the extreme of decline. Much like Nottingham would be the extreme in this country. My guess is that few, if any, US news articles focus on Nottingham as being representative of the UK as a whole.

Overall, we are about the same as the US but you could single out places like Detroit and compare them with Guidlford in Surrey and be shocked I suppose:

Adult literacy rate (% aged 15 and above)

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Will this thread run to more pages than the fukushima one ?

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Will this thread run to more pages than the fukushima one ?

Probably not - Japan is relevant , Detroit isn't.

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Nearly Half Of HPC'ers Can’T Write

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Is it 'cos I is black?

It gets a little tiresome hearing the anti-American lines being rolled out so regularly, when the sad reality is that most of the negatives are down to a small section of the population. It's not actually "America" at fault, it's a specific minority spoiling it for the majority.

Of course, I am not allowed to say that.

So I hereby deny saying it :rolleyes:

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Are you really sure that this equates to "can't read".

The PC brigade have invented this new term "functionally illiterate" to increase the numbers. It doesn't mean "can't read". It means "didn't pass any high school exams".

tim

I thought it meant people who might be able to read a bit, but not with any degree of fluency.

I was once sent on an adult literacy course. One of the exercises involved reading a text, about half a page of A4, printed in mirror image. At the end we were asked questions on it. What nearly all of us found was that since we'd concentrated on working out individual words, we hadn't taken in much of the sense of the piece, if any.

We were given this to demonstrate what poor readers go through, to a greater or less extent, every day.

I have to say it was very illuminating. There was also a lot about the strategies people use to cope with a lack of literacy, so that very often hardly anybody ever finds out. Because they're so ashamed of it, they sometimes go to extraordinary lengths to cover it up.

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Place is full of blacks and middle eastern immigrants stuck in a cycle of poverty.

Burn the whole place down and start from scratch.

As council regeneration schemes in the UK have shown you can re-model the area but if you put the same people back in the problems still exist.

Or did you mean burn it down with the people still there?

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