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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13231419

A serving Metropolitan Police officer has been unlawfully subletting his council flat, according to a BBC Panorama investigation.

Pc Stephen Holt offered to rent his council property to an undercover reporter at £359 more than he pays Southwark council in weekly rent.

The government has labelled unlawful subletting "housing fraud", which costs the taxpayer at least £1bn a year.

Pc Holt did not respond to Panorama's queries about the council flat rental.

As part of its investigation into social housing, Panorama replied to an advert Pc Holt placed on a website and an undercover reporter went to view the flat.

PC Holt, a part-time crime prevention officer and a part-time property developer who has appeared on daytime TV property programmes, showed the reporter around the flat near Butler's Wharf, close to Tower Bridge in London.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13231419

A serving Metropolitan Police officer has been unlawfully subletting his council flat, according to a BBC Panorama investigation.

Pc Stephen Holt offered to rent his council property to an undercover reporter at £359 more than he pays Southwark council in weekly rent.

The government has labelled unlawful subletting "housing fraud", which costs the taxpayer at least £1bn a year.

Pc Holt did not respond to Panorama's queries about the council flat rental.

As part of its investigation into social housing, Panorama replied to an advert Pc Holt placed on a website and an undercover reporter went to view the flat.

PC Holt, a part-time crime prevention officer and a part-time property developer who has appeared on daytime TV property programmes, showed the reporter around the flat near Butler's Wharf, close to Tower Bridge in London.

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Article says that council tenants are not prohibited from owning other properties.

Maybe we'll see another Panorama on council tenants with BTL portfolios. Wouldn't mind betting there are plenty in London.

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Article says that council tenants are not prohibited from owning other properties.

Maybe we'll see another Panorama on council tenants with BTL portfolios. Wouldn't mind betting there are plenty in London.

This is the problem with subsidies of any kind. You put conditions on the subsidies, but the crooks still get their hands on taxpayers money.

Once again I suggest that the only way to end this huge criminal enterprise, because thats what council housing has become, by selling the lot off to the highest bidder. Put the properties on ebay one by one, that way it will be all above board, and end the opportunity for gaming such as this.

Putting the cash raised aside for another debate, then taxpayers would immediately gain £1 billion a year if you believe those figures. Much more would be gained by people having to switch their efforts to providing useful services to gain income, rather than schemes to swindle the taxpayer.

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Why should anyone living in a council house be allowed to have other properties ? If they have the wherewithall to have another residence then there should be no obligation by us to provide another.

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disgusting.

and disgusting the council for letting it happen.

course, as BTL empire building is a "Business", then having a council place and your income from your business, is an easy loophole.

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Article says that council tenants are not prohibited from owning other properties.

Maybe we'll see another Panorama on council tenants with BTL portfolios. Wouldn't mind betting there are plenty in London.

What the hell is wrong with the UK, it used to be a great country and when you see things like this its depressing, rather than hounding out the hard working entrepreneurial spirit from its citizens havent the authorities got better things to do.

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disgusting.

and disgusting the council for letting it happen.

course, as BTL empire building is a "Business", then having a council place and your income from your business, is an easy loophole.

Bloo Loo,

and how do the council stop it from happening? They cant continually ask residents to verify their right to live in each property, that would break some civil liberty or other.

Their only recourse is where neighbours grass someone else up. Very few do. This sort of fraud is rife.

What is this policeman doing with a council property anyway, how on earth did he become 'entitled'.

Makes me laugh too those fools that think council properties are not subsidised. How can you sublet a property for such a huge profit if it isnt subsidised?

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What is this policeman doing with a council property anyway, how on earth did he become 'entitled'.

Inherited it ? IIRC they can (could) be passed on to your family

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Why should anyone living in a council house be allowed to have other properties ? If they have the wherewithall to have another residence then there should be no obligation by us to provide another.

I can think of people who have council flat in London and now have a home in the Caribbean where they spend over 6 months of the year - they dont sublet though....

Another couple i know have been given council accomodation in North London and still own their "heritage" home in a pleasant part of Turkey, again they dont sublet but they know many people in similar circumstances that do.

It happens alot especially in London.

Not sure how London councils can verify whether people own property abroad or not and are genuinely homeless when given accomodation? Its no wonder "indegenous" Londonners get so mad and forced out..... :angry:

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Bloo Loo,

and how do the council stop it from happening? They cant continually ask residents to verify their right to live in each property, that would break some civil liberty or other.

Their only recourse is where neighbours grass someone else up. Very few do. This sort of fraud is rife.

What is this policeman doing with a council property anyway, how on earth did he become 'entitled'.

Makes me laugh too those fools that think council properties are not subsidised. How can you sublet a property for such a huge profit if it isnt subsidised?

the same way as they give tax cedits.

You fill in a form...annually.

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the same way as they give tax cedits.

You fill in a form...annually.

When a tenancy is initially awarded, the application documents should carry a photo of the approved tenant. An annual unannounced visit by officals to verify the occupant should 'out' a few subletters.

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When a tenancy is initially awarded, the application documents should carry a photo of the approved tenant. An annual unannounced visit by officals to verify the occupant should 'out' a few subletters.

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Why should anyone living in a council house be allowed to have other properties ? If they have the wherewithall to have another residence then there should be no obligation by us to provide another.

Agreed, this is beyond belief.

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When a tenancy is initially awarded, the application documents should carry a photo of the approved tenant. An annual unannounced visit by officals to verify the occupant should 'out' a few subletters.

Surely that will require an increase in public sector non-jobs?

Its similar to thinking on health & safety and the like - a waste of taxpayers money to check things like this. Much cheaper to turn a blind eye. And where there's a blind eye the unscrupulous can profit.

Hence the system is stuffed. One side thinks it politically correct to get rid of people who might ask questions and catch the unscrupulous. The other thinks it politically correct to avoid asking questions just in case the wrong sort get caught out.

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Surely that will require an increase in public sector non-jobs?

Just make Council Houses a short term thing, say 2-3yrs, and you have to renew your occupancy by proving you still need it, based on the same criteria as anyone in the queue.

I can't see a relatively well paid policeman with various other properties (he'd have to disclose) qualifying.

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Just make Council Houses a short term thing, say 2-3yrs, and you have to renew your occupancy by proving you still need it, based on the same criteria as anyone in the queue.

I can't see a relatively well paid policeman with various other properties (he'd have to disclose) qualifying.

When you understand that all subsidies such as this lead to fraud, you come to realise that the only solution is to take it away entirely. Selling off all council housing is the only solution, unless you want your local copper to be stealing from via excessive wages, pension, and council housing. So much more profitable than burglary.

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Council House Sublet By Policeman

Shouldn't all policemen be sent to jail under terrorism laws? I know, I know, they haven't all done this yet, but they might at some time and the law's the law.

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This is the problem with subsidies of any kind. You put conditions on the subsidies, but the crooks still get their hands on taxpayers money.

Once again I suggest that the only way to end this huge criminal enterprise, because thats what council housing has become, by selling the lot off to the highest bidder. Put the properties on ebay one by one, that way it will be all above board, and end the opportunity for gaming such as this.

Putting the cash raised aside for another debate, then taxpayers would immediately gain £1 billion a year if you believe those figures. Much more would be gained by people having to switch their efforts to providing useful services to gain income, rather than schemes to swindle the taxpayer.

I was referring to the sort of people who deliberately, and often very cleverly, play the system, knowing how unlikely it is that they'll get found out. That type is surely always going to be looking to make money by cheating/scams/exploiting loopholes, whether they also have a 'proper' job or not.

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I can think of people who have council flat in London and now have a home in the Caribbean where they spend over 6 months of the year - they dont sublet though....

Another couple i know have been given council accomodation in North London and still own their "heritage" home in a pleasant part of Turkey, again they dont sublet but they know many people in similar circumstances that do.

It happens alot especially in London.

Not sure how London councils can verify whether people own property abroad or not and are genuinely homeless when given accomodation? Its no wonder "indegenous" Londonners get so mad and forced out..... :angry:

Guess it's not easy even to find out that a tenant owns the property next door, as in that policeman's case.

Still less if it's owned by a partner.

Can't see why they shouldn't be made to sign something to say that they own no property that they could reasonably be expected to live in, though, and if they do own and can't live in it for any reason, should have to give details. And that if they subsequently acquire any dwelling at all, they should be legally obliged to inform the council.

Social housing was never intended for people who are raking in rent.

I guess one reason councils are apparently so soft/complacent on it is that (from what you hear) there are plenty of housing fiddles going on among housing dept. staff themselves.

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I was referring to the sort of people who deliberately, and often very cleverly, play the system, knowing how unlikely it is that they'll get found out. That type is surely always going to be looking to make money by cheating/scams/exploiting loopholes, whether they also have a 'proper' job or not.

They may well be committing other scams. The thing is those scams wont be against the taxpayer. It will be against people who care about their money, making it riskier and less profitable. So much in fact, that many if not most will be better off doing something useful. The opportunities for scamming is not limitless, take out the opportunities from social housing, and there isnt so much left.

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Watching BBC1 now. They state that 80% increase in people staying longer than normal with their parents.

A HPC won't help that, all it will do is swap around who gets the housing. Uncontrolled immigration isn't going to help that.

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Why should anyone living in a council house be allowed to have other properties ? If they have the wherewithall to have another residence then there should be no obligation by us to provide another.

Or, should anyone with a property be allowed to live in a council house?

No. Of course not, but this country is broken.

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