mattyfc Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 ...can we really afford it....?..... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1380204/Bar-benefits-lifted-East-European-migrants-able-claim-250-week.html This total DM trash. Most of the migrants who come here come to work, they are the only people keeping the SE going as far as I can see. In London there are virtually no English people working in the service industries. It is the native population that seem wedded to benefits not the vast majority of immigrants. Not sure how the EU single labour market will survive long term though. Language presents a massive barrier to work for most in France, Germany, Italy etc Since almost every country uses English as its second language we are at a massive disadvantage. We get flooded with English speaking economic migrants and it is not possible for us to do the same as we don't generally speak German, French, Italian etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 (edited) This total DM trash. Most of the migrants who come here come to work, they are the only people keeping the SE going as far as I can see. True, but surely that's because they don't qualify for benefits; those that don't want to work don't come. If this goes ahead you'll have every workshy scrounger in Europe decending upon the UK and, I suspect, all the ones who actually want to work heading in the other direction. It is the native population that seem wedded to benefits not the vast majority of immigrants. Agreed, the real problem is the benefits system as much as anything else. We've spent the last 13 years allowing people to sit around pretending that there are no jobs whilst importing labour from overseas to do precisely the jobs they should be doing. Edited April 30, 2011 by Goat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crash2006 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 (edited) True, but surely that's because they don't qualify for benefits; those that don't want to work don't come. If this goes ahead you'll have every workshy scrounger in Europe decending upon the UK and, I suspect, all the ones who actually want to work heading in the other direction. Agreed, the real problem is the benefits system as much as anything else. We've spent the last 13 years allowing people to sit around pretending that there are no jobs whilst importing labour from overseas to do precisely the jobs they should be doing. The problem is that the jobs dont pay the market rate for a decent quality of life, min wage you almost working for nothing, you work harder for less, the state takes a large part. The MPs and property barons have made sure that they have destroyed social housing, so of course theres no will to work when you get nothing in return to better your life, all you get is stress. The difference between importing workers and home workers, imported workers will leave and return home, the British citizens are at home, not only that, the wars caused by the MPs have made it worse, the last few wars they told the public that its to make country x a better place, what happens once the west invades, yes we get a lot of asylum seekers from those war torn regions that we supposed to be making better. Just wondering if anyone sees the link between cheap labour and war torn nations caused by the west. Edited April 30, 2011 by crash2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 This total DM trash. Most of the migrants who come here come to work, they are the only people keeping the SE going as far as I can see. In London there are virtually no English people working in the service industries. It is the native population that seem wedded to benefits not the vast majority of immigrants. Maybe the native population are wedded to benefits as the service industries NMW jobs don't pay the rent. Where does the blame for this lie ? Unrestricted immigration and lack of planning for housing while letting more and more immigrants in. In London the problem is compounded by immigration at the other end of the scale , by many immigrants and home buyers being from the GLOBAL RICH and GLOBAL SUPER RICH . Who have priced out the natives in both the buying and renting of homes as they have the much deeper pockets. This type of immigration is having a devestating impact on the natives and what did the Govenment do in the last budget ? INVITE MORE OF THEM IN . Don't blame those natives trapped in the system blame those who create the system the Govenment who would rather put up NI on NMW jobs than get these Global rich immigrants to pay some taxes while enjoying London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 The problem is that the jobs dont pay the market rate for a decent quality of life, min wage you almost working for nothing, you work harder for less, the state takes a large part. The pay would be ok, even at minimum wage, if it wasn't for the sheer level of taxation and if housing costs were in any way reasonable. Instead at minimum wage your still paying out a couple of grand a year in income tax/nic; plus loads more taxes on pretty much everything you could spend the money on. At the same time housing costs have gone through the roof thanks to government interventions in the market such as housing benefit, planning policy and immigration. The problem is that the state has grown so large it needs every penny it can find, regardless of the effects on the rest of the economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashConnoisseur Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Most of the migrants who come here come to work, they are the only people keeping the SE going as far as I can see. Indeed, most do come here to work. Even so, and at the height of the boom, Eastern Europeans in the UK had a higher unemployment rate than for British people. 'Unemployment among Eastern Europeans higher than Britons, says bank report' [April 2007]: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23392324-unemployment-among-eastern-europeans-higher-than-britons-says-bank-report.do Unemployment among the eastern Europeans who have flooded into Britain is significantly higher than for people born here, a report by the Bank of England has revealed.Some 6.9 per cent of female migrants say they are out of work, compared to only 3.9 per cent of British women - almost double the unemployment rate. For men, 5.1 per cent of Britons are out of work, compared to 6.1 per cent of eastern Europeans. The figures, compiled by Professor David Blanchflower of the bank's Monetary Policy Committee, challenge the Government's repeated claim the new arrivals are all hard-working and have no interest in taking advantage of the welfare state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crash2006 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Indeed, most do come here to work. Even so, and at the height of the boom, Eastern Europeans in the UK had a higher unemployment rate than for British people. 'Unemployment among Eastern Europeans higher than Britons, says bank report' [April 2007]: http://www.thisislon...-bank-report.do The problem i see that those that work will end up back in their home nation as more and more western EU companies take advantage of a cheaper wage, the rest will live here claiming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woot Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 (edited) if theyre prepared to travel cross continent to live here they will also likely be prepared to look for a job. why do you assume its peoples natural inclination to sit on their arses and do nothing? most people that havent been spoon fed off the state generally actually want to do something with their lives. do you really belive people want to travel to a new country and experience a new life and culture just to live in a crappy house house and watch TV eating pringles all day. I suspect you're looking at this from your own perspective as if it were you moving. Unfortunately that's not true for all and there are abundant examples of those who move here for healthcare, education, housing and benefits then use their time in raising large numbers of their children. Some come because in many quarters abroad there is still an idealized representation of the UK, while others come because what we have - even at the lower end of the spectrum - is better than what they are moving from. There are large numbers who come to exploit the system because they can - they recognize a free ride provided by mugs when they see one. Relatively few would move to another country to experience the culture like you and I would. Having said that many do come to work, arguably taking jobs from native brits; some of these are also idlers who choose benefits over jobs they prefer to leave to the immigrants - but then you've got to look at how screwed up our system is that we allow people who are capable of earning their living to choose not to. Edited May 1, 2011 by The Dragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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