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BAe Systems intend to close the airstrip and "develop" the land.

Bye bye aircraft maintenance and conversion businesses, engine refits, access for Rolls Royce. Bye bye Airbus easy communication with Toulouse, bye bye proper productive jobs and the South West's best potential airport.

Hello a bunch of crap overvalued houses. Didn't we do well.

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BAe Systems intend to close the airstrip and "develop" the land.

Bye bye aircraft maintenance and conversion businesses, engine refits, access for Rolls Royce. Bye bye Airbus easy communication with Toulouse, bye bye proper productive jobs and the South West's best potential airport.

Hello a bunch of crap overvalued houses. Didn't we do well.

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BAe Systems intend to close the airstrip and "develop" the land.

Bye bye aircraft maintenance and conversion businesses, engine refits, access for Rolls Royce. Bye bye Airbus easy communication with Toulouse, bye bye proper productive jobs and the South West's best potential airport.

Hello a bunch of crap overvalued houses. Didn't we do well.

...good example of ambitious planning and greed going wrong....timing is everything..... :rolleyes:

The best-laid schemes o' mice an 'men

Gang aft agley,

Robert Burns

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BAe Systems intend to close the airstrip and "develop" the land.

Bye bye aircraft maintenance and conversion businesses, engine refits, access for Rolls Royce. Bye bye Airbus easy communication with Toulouse, bye bye proper productive jobs and the South West's best potential airport.

Hello a bunch of crap overvalued houses. Didn't we do well.

Would they be closing it anyway? (I agree in principle that this sounds very stupid)

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It's all about the now man, right out of champagne socialist textbook. Build a house, get a quick profit then bugger off and of course leave a nice little inheritance for the kids, screw everyone else.

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Pretty soon, when the last factory and workshop is closed,demolised and it's land is built upon with houses that are cheaply built yet still unaffordable to the average person,the last library shut to pay off the debts of the greedy bankers, and the last of our jobs are shipped to slave pay labour over seas, only then will the public realise that it may take thousands of years to build a civilisation that was worth countless free people to die to preserve and pass to our children, but hardly any time for a few greedy shortsighted bastards to destroy it in order to line their own pockets. :angry:

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Isnt there an airfield at lulsgate just south of Bristol on a plateau. Filton seems a low elevation and surrounded by residential areas, not the best place for an airport (bit like Heathrow!)

Lulsgate - Plagued by fog and has terrible links:

A38 - rubbish road

No train link

Filton - No fog, Great links.

A38, M4, M5.

Mainline close by, branch line actually runs along the side of the runway!!!

One of the longest runways in the country.

I Guess some "important" people have shares in Lulsgate :angry:

Ames

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I have seen this going on in my area for the last thirty odd years. Virtually every local job has been lost with out so much as a second thought from the local planning department as to local employment. Their latest scheme is for three hundred new homes for a small town where their has been increasing levels of unemployment for about the last five years. A new retail park is touted but that will only provide relativity low level employment and even then only a few jobs. There really is a disconnect between employment and new homes.

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Lulsgate - Plagued by fog and has terrible links:

A38 - rubbish road

No train link

Filton - No fog, Great links.

A38, M4, M5.

Mainline close by, branch line actually runs along the side of the runway!!!

One of the longest runways in the country.

I Guess some "important" people have shares in Lulsgate :angry:

Ames

Weird, you'd expect fog to collect in a sheltered location like Filton. and yet several forums seem to back up your assertions.

Wikipedia says Lulsgate is covered by low cloud...

Being high, at 600 feet (180 m), the site had a poor weather record, during warm front conditions when it was often covered in low cloud.[7] However, when this occurred the alternative airfields at Filton and Cardiff were usually clear and operational; and as Lulsgate was clear when the low-lying airfields were obscured by radiation fog in calm weather, it was agreed to open the facility

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Airport

I wouldnt have thought 600ft is anywhere near high enough to be shrouded in frontal cloud? Particularly as its usually clear and sunny in the South West.

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Lulsgate - Plagued by fog and has terrible links:

A38 - rubbish road

No train link

Filton - No fog, Great links.

A38, M4, M5.

Mainline close by, branch line actually runs along the side of the runway!!!

One of the longest runways in the country.

I Guess some "important" people have shares in Lulsgate :angry:

Ames

You're factually correct but are you really saying that with Filton airport becoming available that Lulsgate should just be shut and passenger air travel operations moved to Filton? Does that make economic sense?

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I have seen this going on in my area for the last thirty odd years. Virtually every local job has been lost with out so much as a second thought from the local planning department as to local employment. Their latest scheme is for three hundred new homes for a small town where their has been increasing levels of unemployment for about the last five years. A new retail park is touted but that will only provide relativity low level employment and even then only a few jobs. There really is a disconnect between employment and new homes.

Me too.

Nothing seems to stop supermarkets opening up. One of the companies I used to work in sold off land for such a development. Worst of all the councils and the supermarkets themselves harp on the "job creation" - hundreds of new jobs they say - no they are not - simply displaces expendituere and employment from elsewhere in retail, all total crock.

The loos off utility of that land is a major factor why what we are seeing in the manufacturing based is not only exacerbated by the HPI / land / bubble economics but moreover it is terminal and will not be turned around whilst anything like current policies are persued.

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Isnt there an airfield at lulsgate just south of Bristol on a plateau. Filton seems a low elevation and surrounded by residential areas, not the best place for an airport (bit like Heathrow!)

The runway faces South West, right into the prevailing wind, and the take off is over the Severn estuary, low noise footprint over residential areas. Main line links very close (Bristol Parkway, the main line to London), and at a meeting of motorways.

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Me too.

Nothing seems to stop supermarkets opening up. One of the companies I used to work in sold off land for such a development. Worst of all the councils and the supermarkets themselves harp on the "job creation" - hundreds of new jobs they say - no they are not - simply displaces expenditure and employment from elsewhere in retail, all total crock.

The loss of utility of that land is a major factor why what we are seeing in the manufacturing based is not only exacerbated by the HPI / land / bubble economics but moreover it is terminal and will not be turned around whilst anything like current policies are persued.

Supermarkets simply reduce employment and lower the earnings of the areas they open in. They have to to beat any competitors locally. We eat too much rubbish as a nation because its easier for them to sell that type of diet. I'm sure that if there we're no supermarkets the nations health would be be better. They've succeeded because our tax and regulatory environment has favoured them over the small old fashioned high street grocers since the last war.

Homes are created without a second thought as to where the inhabitants will generate the livelihood that is needed to pay the mortgage for them. It is such a stark example of the damaging power of vested interests lobbying for they're own narrow interests.

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The runway faces South West, right into the prevailing wind, and the take off is over the Severn estuary, low noise footprint over residential areas. Main line links very close (Bristol Parkway, the main line to London), and at a meeting of motorways.

Not really, massive housing estate on the flight path, parkway is not exactly at filton although there is a line next to filton.

TBH Lulsgate has had massive investment and is not too bad, extended runway, ILS loads of parking, not really a problem for me, I have used it many times.

Anyway, there is absolutely no way they would ever close Lulsgate and switch to filton.

They did try about 15 years ago to get it changed to a public international airport but failed for some reason.

It's no good wingeing, it's all about the business case or planning permission.

The real problem is that the UK Govt allows projects such as airbus to be primarily based in France and Germany, but if they were based in this country it probably would have been Hatfield or Woodford anyway.

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You're factually correct but are you really saying that with Filton airport becoming available that Lulsgate should just be shut and passenger air travel operations moved to Filton? Does that make economic sense?

No, I reckon it should move to Fairford...

I live close to Lulsgate than Birmingham but always choose Birmingham as it's far easier to get to.

Andy

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Not really, massive housing estate on the flight path, parkway is not exactly at filton although there is a line next to filton.

TBH Lulsgate has had massive investment and is not too bad, extended runway, ILS loads of parking, not really a problem for me, I have used it many times.

Anyway, there is absolutely no way they would ever close Lulsgate and switch to filton.

They did try about 15 years ago to get it changed to a public international airport but failed for some reason.

It's no good wingeing, it's all about the business case or planning permission.

The real problem is that the UK Govt allows projects such as airbus to be primarily based in France and Germany, but if they were based in this country it probably would have been Hatfield or Woodford anyway.

I thought that there was a plan to put in 100,000 houses around south Bristol? This obviously didn't affect the Lulsgate extension plans. It is bloody crap to get to, especially from the south. The amount of country lanes you have to cut through...

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I thought that there was a plan to put in 100,000 houses around south Bristol? This obviously didn't affect the Lulsgate extension plans. It is bloody crap to get to, especially from the south. The amount of country lanes you have to cut through...

it's not very easy to get to but fairly direct from Bristol.

The houses are probably going to be built on Filton.

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Filton airfield to close!!

Agree with whats been said about lulsgate and filton. I like lulsgate, but is a pig to get to. I never did understand why filton was not bristol airport.

As a recently ex worker at airbus filton, I would say that this is going to hurt big time. Airbus have a couple flights a day to headquarters in toulouse for ordinary bods, and also a corporate jet every day from other sights in germany for big wigs as well. But the real big killer is that they have a huge fuel test facility at filton which airbus use for hot fuel testing of new aircraft. Without an airfield next door, that will be the end of that. Already lots of tech jobs have been going to other companies and abroad, particularly india. So either they are selling up because airbus have told them they won't need the airfield much longer, or airbus will pretty much pull out of filton altogether!

This does make more sense of why airbus would not make any commitments as to when concorde would return to public display after its refurb maintenance. I reckon they have known about this for sometime.

Filton is a sh1t hole to live in with the jobs, without its just a living hell! If I had to live there I would already have committee suicide I reckon!

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Pretty soon, when the last factory and workshop is closed,demolished and it's land is built upon with houses that are cheaply built yet still unaffordable to the average person,the last library shut to pay off the debts of the greedy bankers, and the last of our jobs are shipped to slave pay labour over seas, only then will the public realise that it may take thousands of years to build a civilisation that was worth countless free people to die to preserve and pass to our children, but hardly any time for a few greedy shortsighted bastards to destroy it in order to line their own pockets. :angry:

An excellent summary. The UK is squandering it's inheritance. All the things that made the country great, that foreigners admired and that gave it a competitive advantage in the world are disappearing in the hands of corrupt incompetent government of all political persuasions. Even sadder is that few seem to care. As long as they have their 'bread and circuses' (benefits, tax credits, the X factor, the Wedding etc) the public are content.

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Isnt there an airfield at lulsgate just south of Bristol on a plateau. Filton seems a low elevation and surrounded by residential areas, not the best place for an airport (bit like Heathrow!)

Yes, Bristol Airport is out in the sticks to the south somewhere.

Filton is actually quite high, a climb all the way out from Bristol city centre. The new-ish estates of Bradley Stoke are under the approach, but it's clear all the way to Portishead on the way out.

The filton airstrip is huge, you can get anything in there, and already has a railway running through it to Avonmouth. Also close to the M4 & M5. I would imagine a dedicated link road could be put through from the M5, Cribbs Causeway area.

But aside from airport potential, it is presently an important industrial airstrip. Airmail is flown out from Filton and the main post office sorting centre adjoins it, as does Rolls Royce aero engines.

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Pretty soon, when the last factory and workshop is closed,demolised and it's land is built upon with houses that are cheaply built yet still unaffordable to the average person,the last library shut to pay off the debts of the greedy bankers, and the last of our jobs are shipped to slave pay labour over seas, only then will the public realise that it may take thousands of years to build a civilisation that was worth countless free people to die to preserve and pass to our children, but hardly any time for a few greedy shortsighted bastards to destroy it in order to line their own pockets. :angry:

Absolutely.

Some things can NEVER be brought back, like railway lines in now traffic jammed suburbs where industrial estates and houses have been built over them.

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