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My Parents Think The Yoof Are Lazy.

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I was talking to my parents earlier and we somehow got talking about the younger generation. It soon became apparent what my parents thought about said generation - lazy, no focus, spoilt etc I tried to explain how high the cost of living is compared to when they were leaving school and how their generation has taken most of the resources (north sea oil), had job security, post war boom etc but they didn't want to know. Is this what most older people think of todays young?

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I was talking to my parents earlier and we somehow got talking about the younger generation. It soon became apparent what my parents thought about said generation - lazy, no focus, spoilt etc I tried to explain how high the cost of living is compared to when they were leaving school and how their generation has taken most of the resources (north sea oil), had job security, post war boom etc but they didn't want to know. Is this what most older people think of todays young?

Yes

Not so much down to their lack of inclination to work, more their failure to riot,protest,get political or emigrate. They are sedated by facebook or playstation and sustained with pre chewed/processed ready meals.

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I was talking to my parents earlier and we somehow got talking about the younger generation. It soon became apparent what my parents thought about said generation - lazy, no focus, spoilt etc I tried to explain how high the cost of living is compared to when they were leaving school and how their generation has taken most of the resources (north sea oil), had job security, post war boom etc but they didn't want to know. Is this what most older people think of todays young?

I would have been shocked if your parents thought young people had been hit hard by the credit crunch and HPI before it.

The only time I have seen over 50s express concern at the challenges younger people face is when they realise their teenage children are unlikely to find a job or buy a house - ie, are going to be stuck bored at home with them for the foreseeable future.

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At least our generation generated some pretty decent music - thinking madness, the jam, etc etc.

Can't see anything coming out of this generation that remotely smells of rebellion.

Come on! What are you made of?

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I think there's a class divide. Those working (what used to be called the middle class) and those not (what used to be called the working class).

Maybe nothing new, been chavs and benefit families since at least the 70s/80s (not sure how old you're parents are), but certainly before then, in the 50s/60s i think there was shame in not working.

There's youth overworking to achieve what their parents would have achieved for less, and then theres youth not working because they realise its futile and govt provides better than what they could provide for themselves.

So IMO you're parents are half right.

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We used to have full employment and now we don't. Anybody not working in the 50/60s was doing so out of choice, and this is not the case today.

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I'd agree that the youth are lazy and i'm 29..

For me and mine, if you wanted to work you could find it. Back when i was 16, that was working in a warehouse lifting boxes - far below my current career in software testing. I didn't begrudge that - to me it was just the way it works.

People i know from friends/pub etc on benefits just can't be arsed to work. Some don't even know how - never had have jobs. To some extent i blame the government for all these stupid tax rules that make it complicated to even understand if you will be better off working than on benefits, and for making the benefits generous enough for people to even consider them an easy alternative to working.

Mostly though, i blame people for being too lazy.

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I was talking to my parents earlier and we somehow got talking about the younger generation. It soon became apparent what my parents thought about said generation - lazy, no focus, spoilt etc

I tried to explain how high the cost of living is compared to when they were leaving school and how their generation has taken most of the resources (north sea oil), had job security, post war boom etc but they didn't want to know. Is this what most older people think of todays young?

Both those statements sound correct (as far as generalisations go).

I'm not sure which bits you were arguing over.. :huh:

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Some points :

i) Youth of today probably piss more money up the wall than their parents did.

ii) Parents position wouldn't look so great if they had actually paid for all the services that they had benefited from over the past 20 years, rather than borrow the money (effectively from the young).

iii) North sea is still producing pretty well.

iv) Idle young are going to have to pay the pensions of the elderly, so lets hope they get their finger out.

v) Kids are lazy because their parents bring them up that way. No point moaning that your kids have no work ethic. Oh, of course, that's not your fault that you didn't bring them up properly - it's the fault of "society".

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iv) Idle young are going to have to pay the pensions of the elderly, so lets hope they get their finger out.

Anyone under 40 is never going to see a pension, so why would they want to pay for someone else?

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At least our generation generated some pretty decent music - thinking madness, the jam, etc etc.

Can't see anything coming out of this generation that remotely smells of rebellion.

Come on! What are you made of?

Depends if you want a criminal record or not. Look at how they're handling 'proper' protestors in London. Faces all over the T.V. and jail sentences.

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The country went to the dogs when all this lefty socialism claptrap came in and kids now rule the streets and the classrooms. Elders need the power balance in favour of themselves in order to teach strict lessons and maintain respect and a decent education.

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Some points :

i) Youth of today probably piss more money up the wall than their parents did.

ii) Parents position wouldn't look so great if they had actually paid for all the services that they had benefited from over the past 20 years, rather than borrow the money (effectively from the young).

iii) North sea is still producing pretty well.

iv) Idle young are going to have to pay the pensions of the elderly, so lets hope they get their finger out.

v) Kids are lazy because their parents bring them up that way. No point moaning that your kids have no work ethic. Oh, of course, that's not your fault that you didn't bring them up properly - it's the fault of "society".

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Perceptions of future living standards have a large role in people's attitude to work IMO. After World War II, people in Japan worked their socks off to rebuild the country, knowing that it would lead to a higher standard of living either for them or their children in the future.

Younger people in Japan benefit from the rapid improvement in infrastructure yet take that and having food on their table for granted (in light of the country's recent tragedy, I am generalising here). Compared to their elders, the work ethic is less ingrained in the under 30s who regard life in broader terms beyond just working.

Cross over to China, and that hunger to work for the opportunity for significantly better living standards in the future is evident. My guess is that if younger people in the UK are less inclined toward hard work, then they perceive that they will be able to provide their offspring with the same relative comfort that they had. Whether that will come to pass is a different point though.

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Every time I hear a posh spoken yoof on the radio saying "I have to have my EMA." You bet I think lazy, entitled and work shy.

Having said that I do think they are in the minority and a large percentage of the yoof want to work and be successful. They are just not promoted by the BBC.

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Depends if you want a criminal record or not. Look at how they're handling 'proper' protestors in London. Faces all over the T.V. and jail sentences.

Youre 100% right, i was once offered the chance to have a section 4 public order offence dropped (which is often what protesters get charged with) to a section 5 where the maximum sentence was a fine (probably 100 quid), i refused as i was not guilty ... so i came back to court (200 miles away) after spending about 200 quid on car hire, petrol, and a hotel and the cost of having 2 days off work which at the time was 150 per day.

Long story short my solicitor turns up without the CCTV footage which shows me standing still doing nothing though it had missed the initial incident (the police said i was on the floor which is where my bruises came from this proved otherwise) she didnt have the statements and had to borrow the CPS's, and the police interview tapes she brought were someone elses .... then something i wasnt aware of, is one major flaw in magistrate trials is that almost 100% of the time theyll believe the police over a scumbag which i clearly am in todays Britain .... end result a 12 week prison as i refused community service as i would never have done it .... all for walking down a high street at midday and trying to walk away from the fitlhy lying copper who stopped me and asked me if i was 2 people who i wasnt then he started trying to get hard with me so i tried walking away at which point he grabbed me and a wrestle ensued as i wouldnt let him wrestle me to the floor.

PS After losing my job and having to get all the benefits under the sun until i got on my feet after the state putting me out of work, ive managed to get visas for working abroad in the middle east, Caspian region and SE Asian nations, if your plans are to go to AUZ, NZ, Canada, SA, USA it wont be so easy with a prison record even if it is for a minor offence.

PPS The OP's parents had the opportunity to live in a decent society now its a vile police state.

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Perceptions of future living standards have a large role in people's attitude to work IMO. After World War II, people in Japan worked their socks off to rebuild the country, knowing that it would lead to a higher standard of living either for them or their children in the future.

Younger people in Japan benefit from the rapid improvement in infrastructure yet take that and having food on their table for granted (in light of the country's recent tragedy, I am generalising here). Compared to their elders, the work ethic is less ingrained in the under 30s who regard life in broader terms beyond just working.

Cross over to China, and that hunger to work for the opportunity for significantly better living standards in the future is evident. My guess is that if younger people in the UK are less inclined toward hard work, then they perceive that they will be able to provide their offspring with the same relative comfort that they had. Whether that will come to pass is a different point though.

Actually I think it's current living standards that have the largest effect. If you current standard of living is poor then you are willing to work harder to make the future better.

If you have everything you want/need now, you are unlikely to work harder in order to get more.

In general peoples planning/preparation for the future is piss poor.

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Actually I think it's current living standards that have the largest effect. If you current standard of living is poor then you are willing to work harder to make the future better.

If you have everything you want/need now, you are unlikely to work harder in order to get more.

In general peoples planning/preparation for the future is piss poor.

If i planned to become a decorator/carpenter/plasterer/welder/car mechanic earning an average of 500GBP a week, i wouldnt be able to plan on having a house or kids as aftr tax, NI and ludicrous rental fees there isnt enough left to plan for home ownership and the stability that comes with it to enable one to plan for the future, something the boomer generation wouldnt understand.

I accept toasters and matalan clothing are cheaper then ever but this isnt making anyones standard of living better imho.

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They are not completely wrong are they?

But they are being unfair.

Broadly I'd say there are 3 categories:

  1. Well educated, well brought up, hard working etc.

  2. Moderately educated etc.

  3. The rest(chavs)

There are plenty of 1s out there but they don't make the news.

The 2s want to work and have probably got plenty of paper qualifications (1/2 decent school results; soft degrees in weak unis) but in reality 10 - 15 years of schooling has not prepared them for the workplace so it is hard for them to find the jobs they "deserve".

Really this is the fault of a p*** poor dumbed down education system where schools concentrate on getting avearge pupils through soft subjects so that they look good in the school table. Hard to blame the kids for this when the system was built by the state and they have so little choice.

The 3s are the offspring of welfare dependent families with little or no education; even if they wanted to work they're virtually unemployable and in reality they're better off on benefits anyway rather than workign for minimum wage.

In reality the 3s exist because it made more sense to have kids and stay at home than go out to work in low paying jobs.

So essentially our parents have overseen a system that tries to tax the 1s out of existance, leaves the 2s unprepared for the world of work and encourages the 3s to breed like rabbits. :(

So they might be right about laziness, but it is a hell of a lot more complicated than they think.

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I've got an anecdotal to contribute here.

The company I work for employs 27 people - we develop software.

I believe that us young permanent employees (under the age of 25) really carry a large part of the business. We cost less and work longer hours because we haven't got families. And we're more skilled than some of the staff and contractors that are over 25!

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But they are being unfair.

Broadly I'd say there are 3 categories:

  1. Well educated, well brought up, hard working etc.

  2. Moderately educated etc.

  3. The rest(chavs)

Almost all my friends and acquaintances left school aged 16 with no GCSE's and to this day work in manual trades, theyre of more use then the moderately educated or well eduacted with their business/ social science degrees and private or public sector non jobs. They create things such as pleasure boats, houses, repair cars, make pipelines for the o and g industry etc etc...

So they and i fall into the category of "The rest" but its good to know that Britains Middle class folk who you no doubt see yourself as think only the well educated are hard working, ive once been told by a poncy middle class pr7ck that British builders are lazy id love such fools to actually see what builders do .... no wonder the Middle Class race who know nothing beyond their sheltered lives and knowledge gained from a book as opposed to doing something themselves wish for mass immigration to kill off the working classes they despise and fear.

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Almost all my friends and acquaintances left school aged 16 with no GCSE's and to this day work in manual trades, theyre of more use then the moderately educated or well eduacted with their business/ social science degrees and private or public sector non jobs. They create things such as pleasure boats, houses, repair cars, make pipelines for the o and g industry etc etc...

So they and i fall into the category of "The rest" but its good to know that Britains Middle class folk who you no doubt see yourself as think only the well educated are hard working, ive once been told by a poncy middle class pr7ck that British builders are lazy id love such fools to actually see what builders do .... no wonder the Middle Class race who know nothing beyond their sheltered lives and knowledge gained from a book as opposed to doing something themselves wish for mass immigration to kill off the working classes they despise and fear.

+1 (from a working class pen/mouse pushing non jobber ;) )

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Some points :

i) Youth of today probably piss more money up the wall than their parents did.

ii) Parents position wouldn't look so great if they had actually paid for all the services that they had benefited from over the past 20 years, rather than borrow the money (effectively from the young).

iii) North sea is still producing pretty well.

iv) Idle young are going to have to pay the pensions of the elderly, so lets hope they get their finger out.

v) Kids are lazy because their parents bring them up that way. No point moaning that your kids have no work ethic. Oh, of course, that's not your fault that you didn't bring them up properly - it's the fault of "society".

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Almost all my friends and acquaintances left school aged 16 with no GCSE's and to this day work in manual trades, theyre of more use then the moderately educated or well eduacted with their business/ social science degrees and private or public sector non jobs. They create things such as pleasure boats, houses, repair cars, make pipelines for the o and g industry etc etc...

So they and i fall into the category of "The rest" but its good to know that Britains Middle class folk who you no doubt see yourself as think only the well educated are hard working, ive once been told by a poncy middle class pr7ck that British builders are lazy id love such fools to actually see what builders do .... no wonder the Middle Class race who know nothing beyond their sheltered lives and knowledge gained from a book as opposed to doing something themselves wish for mass immigration to kill off the working classes they despise and fear.

The word you missed was broadly. I'm making a huge generalisation of course but the people you've just described are group 1 not 3; nowhere in my post do I say academic, middle class etc.

Now are you telling me that there are not huge numbers of people out there who do fall into group 3 - people who've never done a days work in their lives and have no wish to do so.

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