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http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/john-drennan/john-drennan-poles-in-fear-of-starved-irish-influx-2615055.html

Lots of interesting points in here.

But the salient one is that unless Poland is paying 196 euros a week unemployment benefit then they have nothing to fear. But then again it ilustrates how the European project has failed dismally. The Poles can travel anywhere in Europe for work but when it is their turn for immigration ity is "h no go home." Nice to know we are in such recipriocal company.

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http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/john-drennan/john-drennan-poles-in-fear-of-starved-irish-influx-2615055.html

Lots of interesting points in here.

But the salient one is that unless Poland is paying 196 euros a week unemployment benefit then they have nothing to fear. But then again it ilustrates how the European project has failed dismally. The Poles can travel anywhere in Europe for work but when it is their turn for immigration ity is "h no go home." Nice to know we are in such recipriocal company.

This does not demonstrate that the European project has failed. In fact it demonstrates the exact opposite: people of Europe are able to go all over the continent seeking jobs that match their skills. It also demonstrates that tPoland has its fair share of small-minded nationalist xenophobes who spin this stuff to further their own political ambitions in the same way that the BNP does in Britain or the FN does in France, etc.

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In an ironic reversal of fortunes they noted Polish concerns that mass emigration from "the starving Irish'' could drive down pay rates means many building sites in Poland now have signs saying "no Irish need apply"

:lol: Classic.

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Do we have anyone on these boards currently working in Ireland?

There have continued to be IT jobs advertised for Ireland, and checking a job site this morning for international vacancies it seems that Ireland's better than most places (eg Ireland 338, France 89 Germany 188). Of course jobs advertised in the IT sector could be just fake fishing exercises. Or perhaps Reed have a strong Irish presence, so these figures aren't indicative of the real situation. It could just be that the Irish IT sector isn't doing so bad, but other sectors are definitely out for the count. Anyone in Ireland can enlighten us?

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Do we have anyone on these boards currently working in Ireland?

There have continued to be IT jobs advertised for Ireland, and checking a job site this morning for international vacancies it seems that Ireland's better than most places (eg Ireland 338, France 89 Germany 188). Of course jobs advertised in the IT sector could be just fake fishing exercises. Or perhaps Reed have a strong Irish presence, so these figures aren't indicative of the real situation. It could just be that the Irish IT sector isn't doing so bad, but other sectors are definitely out for the count. Anyone in Ireland can enlighten us?

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IT is a bit different. They could be developing IT for anyone, as they do it India. If they are exporting their IT overseas, it should be immune, even advantageous in the current climate. You want to look at internal consumption industries, house building, supermarkets, insurance to get a true indication of what's going on.

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http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/john-drennan/john-drennan-poles-in-fear-of-starved-irish-influx-2615055.html

Lots of interesting points in here.

But the salient one is that unless Poland is paying 196 euros a week unemployment benefit then they have nothing to fear. But then again it ilustrates how the European project has failed dismally. The Poles can travel anywhere in Europe for work but when it is their turn for immigration ity is "h no go home." Nice to know we are in such recipriocal company.

What utter nonsense,since when have english speaking people been prepared to go to a country where they have to learn a foreign language.

Most Irish who are still working will earn more in a week than the average Pole earns in a month.

They will most likely end up in New York taking bar tending jobs off Irish Americans.

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http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/john-drennan/john-drennan-poles-in-fear-of-starved-irish-influx-2615055.html

Lots of interesting points in here.

But the salient one is that unless Poland is paying 196 euros a week unemployment benefit then they have nothing to fear. But then again it ilustrates how the European project has failed dismally. The Poles can travel anywhere in Europe for work but when it is their turn for immigration ity is "h no go home." Nice to know we are in such recipriocal company.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

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This does not demonstrate that the European project has failed. In fact it demonstrates the exact opposite: people of Europe are able to go all over the continent seeking jobs that match their skills. It also demonstrates that tPoland has its fair share of small-minded nationalist xenophobes who spin this stuff to further their own political ambitions in the same way that the BNP does in Britain or the FN does in France, etc.

It is a failure, this country has been flooded with unskilled workers fom abroad. we now have an excess of 6million plus workers in this country who have to be paid benifits to live, how can that be a success.

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Newsweek magazine has painted a bizarre portrait of Ireland as a poverty stricken country where "20,000 horses" are starving.

Even the grass refuses to grow....:rolleyes:

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It is a failure, this country has been flooded with unskilled workers fom abroad. we now have an excess of 6million plus workers in this country who have to be paid benifits to live, how can that be a success.

It all depends on perspective

Competition for jobs increased - labour costs to employers reduced - companies can make more money for owners / shareholders

Demand for accommodation increased - landowner's rental streams protected and property values enhanced

So for the owners of capital this is a success.

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What utter nonsense,since when have english speaking people been prepared to go to a country where they have to learn a foreign language.

Most Irish who are still working will earn more in a week than the average Pole earns in a month.

They will most likely end up in New York taking bar tending jobs off Irish Americans.

+1

Vast majority of Irish emigrants at the moment are heading to Australia and Canada thanks to the commodity bubble. Next comes the UK, USA then Asia plus the usual trickle to Brussels & Luxembourg for the much valued Euro gravy-train jobs

My guess would be out of 60,000+ people that may leave Eire this year barely 0.1% would go to Poland

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This is nothing new..

Right after WWII there were mass deportations of Chinese labourers. By 1955 Hakka Chinese people started to arrive in the UK. the China towns spoke almost universal hakka and hokien dialect. From the 1975 onwards the UK had Punti (Yue Chinese) people arrive. The languages of the China towns changed quite quickly. Then till the 1990s Fujian migrants started to come you can tell by their harsh dialects. By the 00s Sichian Chinese started to come in.

Each time new migrants came from a different part of China the natives and the previous migrants would complain about the new lot. How they were stealing their rice bowls (their euphamism for their living).

Which is kind of ironic anyway as the Punti forced the Hakka off their lands 160 years ago during a massive clan war (think 1.5 million dead).

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How do you say "Auf Wiedersehen pet" in Polish?

(Or whatever the equivalent Irish terminology would be)

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How do you say "Auf Wiedersehen pet" in Polish?

The fact that anyone who is not Polish would have to undertake a significant learning curve in order to do so is IMO the reason why we have not had, or are likely to get, significant levels of intra-EU migration from its two English-speaking countries (the UK and ROI) into the other ones, however bad the economic situation gets. It's long been known that the reason why the majority of immigrants into the EU from outside it want to come to Britain is twofold: a relatively generous benefits system, and a language that they already speak, at least to a limited extent. Other European countries are jealously protective of their languages: don't even think of claiming benefits in France or Germany unless you can fill out the forms and speak to the officials in the local language.

In short, the other EU countries can and do use their languages as an inbuilt protectionism mechanism. The UK and Ireland (unless they tried to impose the universal use of Gaelic, and given that half their own population don't speak any at all, that's not going to happen) do not have that option.

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The fact that anyone who is not Polish would have to undertake a significant learning curve in order to do so is IMO the reason why we have not had, or are likely to get, significant levels of intra-EU migration from its two English-speaking countries (the UK and ROI) into the other ones, however bad the economic situation gets. It's long been known that the reason why the majority of immigrants into the EU from outside it want to come to Britain is twofold: a relatively generous benefits system, and a language that they already speak, at least to a limited extent. Other European countries are jealously protective of their languages: don't even think of claiming benefits in France or Germany unless you can fill out the forms and speak to the officials in the local language.

In short, the other EU countries can and do use their languages as an inbuilt protectionism mechanism. The UK and Ireland (unless they tried to impose the universal use of Gaelic, and given that half their own population don't speak any at all, that's not going to happen) do not have that option.

Only Half true. During the Bosnian wars the mass migration of Bosnians was to Germany. The Turks migrate en masse to Germany and the North Africans migrate en masse to France and Spain.

I would argue that most immigrants migrate to countries where there culture has been established by previous immigrants making it easier for them to fit in. Hence why Brits and Irish emmigrate to USA, Canada and Aus.

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Well if u look at some of the most anti immigration people, they're actually Indians who came here 50 years ago.

It all boils down to the fact a lot of people don't like change.

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http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/john-drennan/john-drennan-poles-in-fear-of-starved-irish-influx-2615055.html

Lots of interesting points in here.

But the salient one is that unless Poland is paying 196 euros a week unemployment benefit then they have nothing to fear. But then again it ilustrates how the European project has failed dismally. The Poles can travel anywhere in Europe for work but when it is their turn for immigration ity is "h no go home." Nice to know we are in such recipriocal company.

Thanks for the idiotic rant.

No where in that article does it mention Irish emigrating to Poland or the Poles reaction to it. Its about a newspaper article claiming there was starving in the streets. The Poles interest in Ireland is due to many similarities between the countries (catholic, extreme ends of the EU, poor) - Poles would like to emulate the economic success but with out the end result.

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In an ironic reversal of fortunes they noted Polish concerns that mass emigration from "the starving Irish'' could drive down pay rates means many building sites in Poland now have signs saying "no Irish need apply"

:lol: Classic.

Also, Invented.

No such signs exist and why would the Irish come here to earn £20 a day on a build site - if they are good at their job.

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It all depends on perspective

Competition for jobs increased - labour costs to employers reduced - companies can make more money for owners / shareholders

Demand for accommodation increased - landowner's rental streams protected and property values enhanced

So for the owners of capital this is a success.

It is not a sucess for the the school leavers and graduates who cannot get a job, low pay or no low pay. And long term low wages will only end up with lower rents anyway and property prices which are feeding through anyway.

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What utter nonsense,since when have english speaking people been prepared to go to a country where they have to learn a foreign language.

Yes, but that's only because WASPs are creative enough to be good at doing things. We don't learn Polish so we can go to Poland to wash dishes, because we're not as thick as politicians and newspaper editors try to make out we are.

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Do we have anyone on these boards currently working in Ireland?

There have continued to be IT jobs advertised for Ireland, and checking a job site this morning for international vacancies it seems that Ireland's better than most places (eg Ireland 338, France 89 Germany 188). Of course jobs advertised in the IT sector could be just fake fishing exercises. Or perhaps Reed have a strong Irish presence, so these figures aren't indicative of the real situation. It could just be that the Irish IT sector isn't doing so bad, but other sectors are definitely out for the count. Anyone in Ireland can enlighten us?

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Am working in Dublin area at the moment. Talking to a guy in IT the other day, said his business was booming, at best ever growth levels. Ireland is in an odd situation at the moment, having in effect a two speed economy. Areas that require credit (construction in particular) are in big trouble, and have had a commensurate knock on effect on retail, as indeed has the fact that those silly enough to buy property recently haven't a bob to spend. But established sectors with their own lines of credit are flying.....Irish exports are at record highs

Take a look at http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0105/export-business.html

As for the issue of Irish emigrating to Poland.....ridiculous

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Also, Invented.

No such signs exist and why would the Irish come here to earn £20 a day on a build site - if they are good at their job.

agreed. Poland generally gets its cheapo labour from Belarus and Ukraine either legal or illegal.

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