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Did You See The No To Av Broadcast Tonight?

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It makes out only lying MPs will benefit from AV. Well that's all of them then.

It also pointed out school kids are too thick to understand teachers (Or perhaps that teachers are so sh*t that kids don't stand a chance)

Anyone got a link to it yet?

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It makes out only lying MPs will benefit from AV. Well that's all of them then.

It also pointed out school kids are too thick to understand teachers (Or perhaps that teachers are so sh*t that kids don't stand a chance)

Anyone got a link to it yet?

Love Rik Mayall. Love Alan B'Stard!! B)

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I don't have an opinion yet on A.V as I haven't sat down with all the facts.

The advert is powerful, and would make me convinced alright if I wasn't such a sceptical HPC bugger. It's got the celeb, and the "expert" teacher patronising the viewer. Yup, NO to A.V. <_<

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But AV won't change our archaic political system! In many ways it will make it worse.

Politicians will never vote to allow a system which would put them out of work.

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It was a farrago of lies, as we've come to expect from the NO bunch, all the worst parts of the Lab and Con parties want a NO.

I prefer PR to AV, but at least AV recognises that elections should be about consent, not about which minority gets all the power this time.

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The ad seems like a thinly-veiled subliminal ad for Labour.

Notice that it's the red horse that wins, and is then demoted because of the nasty AV?

That the man talks about betting on red in the casino, only to find that black winsbecause of nasty AV?

That nasty Av will result in "clumsy* coalitions"?

Don't think many Tory anti-AV voters would be pleased with the ad.

If Labour hate it so much, it makes me more inclined to vote for Av.

* can't remember what the exact word used was... It was something like 'clumsy'

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The ad seems like a thinly-veiled subliminal ad for Labour.

Notice that it's the red horse that wins, and is then demoted because of the nasty AV?

That the man talks about betting on red in the casino, only to find that black winsbecause of nasty AV?

That nasty Av will result in "clumsy* coalitions"?

Don't think many Tory anti-AV voters would be pleased with the ad.

If Labour hate it so much, it makes me more inclined to vote for Av.

* can't remember what the exact word used was... It was something like 'clumsy'

Definitely picked that all up, subtle. Rik Mayal was David Cameron and he threw his manifesto in the fire.

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I love Rik Mayall, but I'm not so sure that AV will lead to more coalitions. It's still a majoritarian system so is just as likely to produce a strong government as FPTP.

Still, it's good to see the no to AV campaign get a bit of celeb backing, they were spot on with the race analogy too

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I love Rik Mayall, but I'm not so sure that AV will lead to more coalitions. It's still a majoritarian system so is just as likely to produce a strong government as FPTP.

Still, it's good to see the no to AV campaign get a bit of celeb backing, they were spot on with the race analogy too

Yes the simple fact is that it wouldn't have changed anything in the last 10 years as Nu Labour had over 50% of the votes. What we need is a voting system where we can look back in time and say that was a bad idea and stop it all from happening.

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Personally I think the AD was an own goal.

Having some Chav thicko saying AV is confusing and not to vote for it doesn't do much for your argument. In fact the whole AD was just plain surreal.

I don't like AV but we aren't going to get PR so what is better AV or FPTP, its a bit of a coin toss.

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reason to vote no:

Nothing to do with their ads - which were ********.

Simply put - more coalition politics means even more backtracking on manifesto promises. It makes politicians even more distant from their electorate than they already are.

Coupled with that it makes politicians more reliant on their party to further their careers, so they will pay even less attention to the needs and desires of their constituents.

There are plenty of things wrong with the way our politics works and makes decisions, but AV will not solve any of them and will probably make some of it worse.

(though to be honest i hope the country does vote for it and it all goes tits up - then my wife might agree to emigrate;))

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The ad seems like a thinly-veiled subliminal ad for Labour.

Notice that it's the red horse that wins, and is then demoted because of the nasty AV?

That the man talks about betting on red in the casino, only to find that black winsbecause of nasty AV?

That nasty Av will result in "clumsy* coalitions"?

Don't think many Tory anti-AV voters would be pleased with the ad.

If Labour hate it so much, it makes me more inclined to vote for Av.

* can't remember what the exact word used was... It was something like 'clumsy'

On the contrary. If you dressed the ad up the other way, like it was a vote for the Tories, most plebs will vote against it. So make it look like AV would cheat Labour in the future and as a Tory you get to keep the current system.

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I was a little surprised that they were allowed to base a lot of their campaign ad around how confusing AV is as I thought they were purposefully trying to make it sound even more confusing.. Suspect most of my extended family with stick with what they've got if they don't understand it - perhaps that is the point!

Did enjoy Rik Mayall tho.. we need some more on our TVs :) But tbh was just sat there annoyed that no matter what the system, my MP is all over me one minute and couldn't give a flying the next...

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IMO most people will listen to these non-informative attempts at bullying from both sides for about 5 minutes then ignore the lot of it and vote the way they were always going to.

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Good to see Prik Mayall endorsing a system that allowed Tony Liar and ZanuPF to be elected on 22% of the adult vote.

That should be very popular on here - especially among the UKIPers (see Farrage's previous comments on this).

I don't care who wins the next election,but I'll be voting for AV for sure!

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On the contrary. If you dressed the ad up the other way, like it was a vote for the Tories, most plebs will vote against it. So make it look like AV would cheat Labour in the future and as a Tory you get to keep the current system.

I see your point, but the subtle message of the ad was that the 'Red' party are natural winners in a 'fair' electoral system.

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I see your point, but the subtle message of the ad was that the 'Red' party are natural winners in a 'fair' electoral system.

Maybe that is why the boy wonder Milliband is so keen on the idea. I dont know yet whether it is a good idea or not but I suspect that if labour are behind it then it wont be in our best interests.

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Err. No they didn't.

According to the BBC they got just 37% of votes cast and 21% of the electorate!

They had no mandate to govern. But then no-one else did either. And so they should not have been able to carry on as though they had a popular mandate.

http://news.bbc.co.u...ies/default.stm

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One has to wonder how many people that voted liebour of lib dem would have used their second preference as lib dem or liebour and where that would leave us now. In the hands of the IMF I suspect.

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