Tired of Waiting Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) "Economic competence" will be essential if Labour wants to win the 2015 election. If the Conservatives manage to force a second Shadow Chancellor out during this parliament (Alan Johnson and now Ed Balls), this will be very important. During this week's PMQ, Cameron wished Balls would "occasionally shut up", and soon afterwards Cameron threw a very good (coz true) label at Balls - that I think will "stick". Image is important. And labels work. ( Remember the label "something of the night", that Anne Widdecombe attached to Michael Howard? That was unforgettable. A work of genius - though ironically, very evil in itself! Very "of the night"! ) So, Cameron may have attached an useful label to Ed Balls. Not as powerful and Anne's, of course, impossible task, but good nevertheless, and it should "stick", as it builds on a very truthful base. Here, in this 50 seconds video: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12909859 Enjoy. . Edited April 2, 2011 by Tired of Waiting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbitrage Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 "Economic competence" will be essential if Labour wants to win the 2015 election. If the Conservatives manage to force a second Shadow Chancellor out during this parliament (Alan Johnson and now Ed Balls), this will be very important. Image is important. And labels work. ( Remember the label "something of the night", that Anne Widdecombe attached to Michael Howard? That was unforgettable. A work of genius - though ironically, very evil in itself! Very "of the night"! ) So, Cameron may have attached an useful label to Ed Balls. Not as powerful and Anne's, of course, impossible task, but good nevertheless, and it should "stick", as it builds on a very truthful base. Here, in this 50 seconds video: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12909859 Enjoy. . Camoron is an out-of-touch smug anchor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tired of Waiting Posted April 2, 2011 Author Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) Camoron is an out-of-touch smug anchor A Google search, with the full quote, between quotes, is bringing 3,000 results now: cameron "ed balls" "the most annoying person in modern politics" http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1B3GGLL_en___GB407&q=cameron%20%22ed%20balls%22%20%22the%20most%20annoying%20person%20in%20modern%20politics%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=nw And about the cuts, a Guardian poll found that: "Only 35% think the plans go too far – a 10-point drop since ICM asked the question in November". Here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/mar/25/voters-cuts-coalition-poll Edited April 2, 2011 by Tired of Waiting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 It's all so Greyfriars. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Floreat_Greyfriars.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 "Economic competence" will be essential if Labour wants to win the 2015 election. If the Conservatives manage to force a second Shadow Chancellor out during this parliament (Alan Johnson and now Ed Balls), this will be very important. During this week's PMQ, Cameron wished Balls would "occasionally shut up", and soon afterwards Cameron threw a very good (coz true) label at Balls - that I think will "stick". Image is important. And labels work. ( Remember the label "something of the night", that Anne Widdecombe attached to Michael Howard? That was unforgettable. A work of genius - though ironically, very evil in itself! Very "of the night"! ) So, Cameron may have attached an useful label to Ed Balls. Not as powerful and Anne's, of course, impossible task, but good nevertheless, and it should "stick", as it builds on a very truthful base. Here, in this 50 seconds video: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12909859 Enjoy. . Barring accidents or a cabinet reshuffle tory side before the election, he's your next chancellor, 100% guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 "Economic competence" will be essential if Labour wants to win the 2015 election. If the Conservatives manage to force a second Shadow Chancellor out during this parliament (Alan Johnson and now Ed Balls), this will be very important. During this week's PMQ, Cameron wished Balls would "occasionally shut up", and soon afterwards Cameron threw a very good (coz true) label at Balls - that I think will "stick". Image is important. And labels work. ( Remember the label "something of the night", that Anne Widdecombe attached to Michael Howard? That was unforgettable. A work of genius - though ironically, very evil in itself! Very "of the night"! ) So, Cameron may have attached an useful label to Ed Balls. Not as powerful and Anne's, of course, impossible task, but good nevertheless, and it should "stick", as it builds on a very truthful base. Here, in this 50 seconds video: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12909859 Enjoy. . They never bothered with such insults for Alan Johnson so clearly Balls is considered a much bigger threat. BTW The government did not force Johnson form office he resigned for personal reasons as soon as his wife's affair with the policeman was made public. I suspect that Cameron and Osborne rather wish Johnson was still shadow Chancellor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Image is everthing for The Bullingdon Boys After all, it's all they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ringledman_* Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) Barring accidents or a cabinet reshuffle tory side before the election, he's your next chancellor, 100% guaranteed. Yeah ok. I can see middle england rushing out to vote in the socialist Eds. Edited April 2, 2011 by ringledman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Camoron is an out-of-touch smug anchor Who would you rather have in charge? War criminal Blair? Madman Brown? Major? Thatcher? Milliband? Ed Bo11ocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Yeah ok. I can see middle england rushing out to vote in the socialist Eds. Middle england will sit at home or on their hands. The entire public sector + benefit cohort + their families will be voting red in self defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realistbear Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Who would you rather have in charge? War criminal Blair? Madman Brown? Major? Thatcher? Milliband? Ed Bo11ocks "Working class" tories are a decent lot. Champagne Socialist are the worst IMO (Balls creature and most of the current shadow cabinet--awful creatures the lot of them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caparn Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) They never bothered with such insults for Alan Johnson so clearly Balls is considered a much bigger threat. BTW The government did not force Johnson form office he resigned for personal reasons as soon as his wife's affair with the policeman was made public. I suspect that Cameron and Osborne rather wish Johnson was still shadow Chancellor You couldn't get any less threatening than Johnson. He didn't know that employers pay NI and he didn't know that VAT was payable on some foods. Mind you Brown, Balls and Darling are all total incompetents too. Edited April 2, 2011 by caparn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ringledman_* Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Middle england will sit at home or on their hands. The entire public sector + benefit cohort + their families will be voting red in self defence. Socialism has never really had a great strangle hold on the UK electorate. Thankfully we generally vote in centre-right parties more so than not. I can't see a mass wave of socialism taking hold to vote in the muppet couple leading the labour party currently. All that is happening is that the public sector is raising their voice. I dont see the private sector who faced huge salary cuts and job losses during the Labour induced recession joining their side. If they had a Blair or David Miliband running the show then perhaps things would be different. Likewise it is no longer an embarresment to say you vote tory like it was in the late 90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Socialism has never really had a great strangle hold on the UK electorate. Thankfully we generally vote in centre-right parties more so than not. I can't see a mass wave of socialism taking hold to vote in the muppet couple leading the labour party currently. All that is happening is that the public sector is raising their voice. I dont see the private sector who faced huge salary cuts and job losses during the Labour induced recession joining their side. If they had a Blair or David Miliband running the show then perhaps things would be different. Likewise it is no longer an embarresment to say you vote tory like it was in the late 90s. Labour are about a million miles away from being a socialist party and have been for decades. The coalition have cut public services, hiked taxes and given it to banksters. There is little to no chance of them getting power again - as mervyn king correctly predicted. The liberals in particular have managed to fluff it for themselves to a huge degree by literally selling out at the leadership level. Not that labour are any frigging use ofc, they are crazy guilt ridden muppets and sociopaths - its just that they steal and waste it on stuff ike nurses, instead of steal and waste it on stuff like another back rub for bob diamond. Given the choice on offer, peeps are going to plump for the nurses. And if you think that a load of the newly unemployed people are going to vote Dave back in so he can cancel their benefits or make them work part time for crapita for £40 a week and make them homeless if they refuse, you are on crack. I don't like it, but labour again it will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphmalph Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Labour are about a million miles away from being a socialist party and have been for decades. The coalition have cut public services, hiked taxes and given it to banksters. There is little to no chance of them getting power again - as mervyn king correctly predicted. The liberals in particular have managed to fluff it for themselves to a huge degree by literally selling out at the leadership level. Not that labour are any frigging use ofc, they are crazy guilt ridden muppets and sociopaths - its just that they steal and waste it on stuff ike nurses, instead of steal and waste it on stuff like another back rub for bob diamond. Given the choice on offer, peeps are going to plump for the nurses. And if you think that a load of the newly unemployed people are going to vote Dave back in so he can cancel their benefits or make them work part time for crapita for £40 a week and make them homeless if they refuse, you are on crack. I don't like it, but labour again it will be. Depends on how desparate Dave is for power. He can win the next election by Breaking up the Union and being Prime Minister of England. When the Tories lose all votes in the coming up Scottish and Welsh elections this could be the moment that crystallises the "English work hard and the money goes to pay for free education for Scottish and Welsh uni students and free prescriptions, etc" mentality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdman Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Yep they're all crony capitalists. The next Labour Government will be too. It would require revolution and lynchings of the current crony capitalists by a populist mob for there to be any change in political culture. People would need to starve for that to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwick Yellow Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 "Working class" tories are a decent lot. Champagne Socialist are the worst IMO (Balls creature and most of the current shadow cabinet--awful creatures the lot of them). Spot on, pathetic little public schools t***s like Balls with a chip on their shoulder because they went to a slightly cheaper school than Cameron. Always the worst as well for grabbing entitlements ands gerrymandering the system so their scam comes as near to that of the bankers as they can make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwick Yellow Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Labour are about a million miles away from being a socialist party and have been for decades. The coalition have cut public services, hiked taxes and given it to banksters. There is little to no chance of them getting power again - as mervyn king correctly predicted. The liberals in particular have managed to fluff it for themselves to a huge degree by literally selling out at the leadership level. Not that labour are any frigging use ofc, they are crazy guilt ridden muppets and sociopaths - its just that they steal and waste it on stuff ike nurses, instead of steal and waste it on stuff like another back rub for bob diamond. Given the choice on offer, peeps are going to plump for the nurses. And if you think that a load of the newly unemployed people are going to vote Dave back in so he can cancel their benefits or make them work part time for crapita for £40 a week and make them homeless if they refuse, you are on crack. I don't like it, but labour again it will be. Nurses? Try putting their own placemen in every quango and council from the BBC to the Audit Commission and gerrymandering salary increases that would make anyone in the private sector outside the banks blush. Plenty for the Tories to go for and highlight if they have the balls............................they should start with the BBC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Depends on how desparate Dave is for power. He can win the next election by Breaking up the Union and being Prime Minister of England. That won't fly and he hasn't got time to do it either even if it would. When the Tories lose all votes in the coming up Scottish and Welsh elections this could be the moment that crystallises the "English work hard and the money goes to pay for free education for Scottish and Welsh uni students and free prescriptions, etc" mentality. Not even the vaguest chance. The south needs the regions to pay for their upkeep via the CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphmalph Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 That won't fly and he hasn't got time to do it either even if it would. Not even the vaguest chance. The south needs the regions to pay for their upkeep via the CB. CB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Nurses? Try putting their own placemen in every quango and council from the BBC to the Audit Commission and gerrymandering salary increases that would make anyone in the private sector outside the banks blush. Plenty for the Tories to go for and highlight if they have the balls............................they should start with the BBC. They can do, it won't change the voting. Peeps vote with their wallets. Taxed for nurses is just a better deal than taxed for bonuses for 99% of the population and that's what they will go off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 CB? Central bank. The south is rich because the CB steals from everyone else who holds pounds and spends near it's HQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tired of Waiting Posted April 2, 2011 Author Share Posted April 2, 2011 Depends on how desparate Dave is for power. He can win the next election by Breaking up the Union and being Prime Minister of England. When the Tories lose all votes in the coming up Scottish and Welsh elections this could be the moment that crystallises the "English work hard and the money goes to pay for free education for Scottish and Welsh uni students and free prescriptions, etc" mentality. I agree that letting Scotland go would be very healthy, not only for England, but mainly for Scotland itself. This financial dependency is a corrupting Scotland's soul. It is doing more damage there than here. I'm quite sure Scotland would mature pretty fast once they had full sovereignty. And England would be able to govern itself much better as well, without the Scottish block of Labour MPs distorting governance towards the public sector and benefits. Without them both countries would turn towards production. Unfortunately the odds of this happening are not too good. Not impossible, but no too good. If I were a betting man I would guess a 10-20% chance of Salmond getting and winning his referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphmalph Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 I agree that letting Scotland go would be very healthy, not only for England, but mainly for Scotland itself. This financial dependency is a corrupting Scotland's soul. It is doing more damage there than here. I'm quite sure Scotland would mature pretty fast once they had full sovereignty. And England would be able to govern itself much better as well, without the Scottish block of Labour MPs distorting governance towards the public sector and benefits. Without them both countries would turn towards production. Unfortunately the odds of this happening are not too good. Not impossible, but no too good. If I were a betting man I would guess a 10-20% chance of Salmond getting and winning his referendum. I agree that Scotland needs to be set free to prosper. It does not need Salmond to win his referendum it just needs Dave to put it in the manifesto for the next Gen election or for him to give the country a referendum on the idea before the next GE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 And if you think that a load of the newly unemployed people are going to vote Dave back in so he can cancel their benefits or make them work part time for crapita for £40 a week and make them homeless if they refuse, you are on crack. I don't like it, but labour again it will be. Quite possible. What will be interesting for me is what will happen when they realise labour are no different. At the moment labour are kidding people that if they were in power everything would be rosy, no jobs would be cut and it would be free money for all again. I can't see how we will be in much of a position by then to just allow the budget deficit to run wild.. So many people are likely to feel very cheated and disillusioned when they discover that they are in no better position after the Tories are out. The election after that will be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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