crash2006 Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) Mates dad will get the sack next month from the NHS, computer programmer used to work in the private sector but moved into the pubic because he had a mortgage and needed something safe. Been working at the NHS for 6 years now he finds out his job is being exported to Vietnam, now the whole family is unemployed. Edited April 2, 2011 by crash2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyOne Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Mates dad will get he sack next month from the NHS computer programmer used to work in the private sector but moved into the pubic because he had a mortgage and needed something safe, been working at the NHS for 6 years now he finds out his job is being exported to Vietnam, now the whole family is unemployed. Working for wealth consumers rather than wealth generators might appear to be a safe strategy in the short term but it is a very poor strategy in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saberu Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Working for wealth consumers rather than wealth generators might appear to be a safe strategy in the short term but it is a very poor strategy in the long run. Working in IT might appear to be a poor strategy in the short term but it is a very poor strategy in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyOne Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) Working in IT might appear to be a poor strategy in the short term but it is a very poor strategy in the long run. It was a great gig from about 1975 until about 2005. There aren't many jobs that have had better longevity : banker, lawyer, accountant, surgeon, engineer, teacher, nurse, architect, plumber, electrician and GP are the few that I can think of ..... Edited April 2, 2011 by LuckyOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xurbia Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) Mates dad will get he sack next month from the NHS computer programmer used to work in the private sector but moved into the pubic because he had a mortgage and needed something safe, been working at the NHS for 6 years now he finds out his job is being exported to Vietnam, now the whole family is unemployed. There are very few safe jobs left that pay a reasonable wage, so your mate's dad can thank Blair and Brown for that. I hope he can get another job in the same industry. If not don't bother with the following: 1. Retraining as a plumber - rates undercut by Polish. 2. Teaching - oh dear, the cuts have just started. 3. Stacking shelves - no, Polish again. 4. Call centre - nope. 5. Politician - yes, if he can lie, cheat and steal. If I still lived in Britain I would find a business that dealt mainly with cash. I would pay my expenses in cash and account for them in the same was the MPs do. The best thing your mate's dad can do is leave the country. There's little point in learning new IT skills because some fabricated offshore CV will always have better skills and be willing to work for nothing. If you mate's dad cannot get another job, or leave the UK, he might as well move to Scotland or Wales to claim free prescriptions and superior benefits. I wish I was joking. Edited April 2, 2011 by Xurbia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Puppet Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 It was a great gig from about 1975 until about 2005. There aren't many jobs that have had better longevity : banker, lawyer, accountant, surgeon, engineer, teacher, nurse, architect, plumber, electrician and GP are the few that I can think of ..... Wait until AI starts writing its own code. Admittedly that has been one of the areas of slowest progress in the field, but it is bound to happen sometime. As for the other professions, which ones are immune from either offshoring or adopting technology? Perhaps plumber, electrician and nurse are the best bets in the short term but they will be replaced at some point. Major shareholder, politician, and highly trained security guard look like more viable options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinker Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 While you are in work, and have the money, you should be accumulating the qualifications that will enable you to change careers at a later date. Simple things like an SIA License, ADR Certificate and PCO License will be worth their weight in gold should you ever lose your job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
200p Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Someone once said, not teaching your son to work, is teaching him to steal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pent Up Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 While you are in work, and have the money, you should be accumulating the qualifications that will enable you to change careers at a later date. Simple things like an SIA License, ADR Certificate and PCO License will be worth their weight in gold should you ever lose your job. Not as easy as that when you're working 50 hours a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19 year mortgage 8itch Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Mates dad will get he sack next month from the NHS computer programmer used to work in the private sector but moved into the pubic because he had a mortgage and needed something safe, been working at the NHS for 6 years now he finds out his job is being exported to Vietnam, now the whole family is unemployed. You were (thankfully) away for so long, what has dragged you back out from under a rock? Has the GCSE self-study/revise at home period started already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbitrage Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Mates dad will get he sack next month from the NHS computer programmer used to work in the private sector but moved into the pubic because he had a mortgage and needed something safe, been working at the NHS for 6 years now he finds out his job is being exported to Vietnam, now the whole family is unemployed. Good old Dave Camoron I don't think he sees himself as British - just international banker kleptocrat - yep, doesn't care about this country at all Welcome to UK banker tax franchise 134.3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monks Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Working in IT might appear to be a poor strategy in the short term but it is a very poor strategy in the long run. Seems like nearly everyone I know works in IT as a contractor... the lowest paid is getting £375 a day... another is clearing £150K a year... not a bad salary when you live in Liverpool. Kick myself every day for not getting into it straight after Uni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_ichikawa Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Expensive services like accountancy & legal are being targeted now by automation. How long till automation replaces the CEO and other officers? Already happened with accounting, the CFO is not pretty much obsolete these days too, Richard's dad a CFO in a big big company was replaced by a fully integrated system where it linked the checkout beeps to the suppliers to some sort of expert system whereby the CEO could generate reports based on all that data in moments. The CFO got his marching orders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Seems like nearly everyone I know works in IT as a contractor... the lowest paid is getting £375 a day... another is clearing £150K a year... not a bad salary when you live in Liverpool. Kick myself every day for not getting into it straight after Uni. what technologies are these in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 More jobs exported. At least the recovery will bring jobs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirage Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 It was a great gig from about 1975 until about 2005. There aren't many jobs that have had better longevity : banker, lawyer, accountant, surgeon, engineer, teacher, nurse, architect, plumber, electrician and GP are the few that I can think of ..... Yes, surgeon and GP - the two types of doctor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_ichikawa Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Yes, surgeon and GP - the two types of doctor! Telepresence will make their jobs obsolete. specialised surgery robots will be used instead. For safety each hospital which operates will have a couple of standby surgeons who are actually there in case the uplink goes wrong or there is a power cut. I've seen telepresence in action in Japan, whereby one man at the head office manages 6+ restaurants using lots of cameras and VOIP to order his staff about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckmojo Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Telepresence will make their jobs obsolete. specialised surgery robots will be used instead. For safety each hospital which operates will have a couple of standby surgeons who are actually there in case the uplink goes wrong or there is a power cut. I've seen telepresence in action in Japan, whereby one man at the head office manages 6+ restaurants using lots of cameras and VOIP to order his staff about. yes, in 2321, possibly. treating patients on wi-fi is not quite like supervising restaurant staff busy chopping pieces of tuna. ultimately, technology will replace all human activity, blah, blah. Well, what's the alternative, Mr Denton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdman Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) Telepresence will make their jobs obsolete. specialised surgery robots will be used instead. For safety each hospital which operates will have a couple of standby surgeons who are actually there in case the uplink goes wrong or there is a power cut. I've seen telepresence in action in Japan, whereby one man at the head office manages 6+ restaurants using lots of cameras and VOIP to order his staff about. Japan is a dying society It's run for the sake of multinational corporations and zombie banks with asset prices propped up by hook or by crook No wonder Japanese housewives have gone on a baby strike. Meanwhile single-person households are projected to rise to 40% by 2030 I agree surgeons are at risk. In America, there has been a Battle Royale between neurosurgeons and interventional radiologists over who gets to clip aneurysms. Cardiac surgery has been revolutionised by stenting with cardiologists and radiologists vying for a piece of the action. Ultimately, patients will have to decide if they want others to take medico-legal responsibility for their healthcare outcomes. If they do, doctors will still have a job. Technology, especially AI, may make doctors redundant Edited April 2, 2011 by mdman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_ichikawa Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 yes, in 2321, possibly. treating patients on wi-fi is not quite like supervising restaurant staff busy chopping pieces of tuna. ultimately, technology will replace all human activity, blah, blah. Well, what's the alternative, Mr Denton? I'm not so sure, if the USAF can bomb people over satellite links, then there is huge potential for this to be expanded into more complex things. It might be incremental right now but over time it builds up so that the human is no longer required. If you look at old movies aircraft had a crew of three, pilot, co pilot and flight engineer. The flight engineer no longer exists. Technology has moved onto the point whereby the pilots might as well not exist as the computer can handle it. Only safety laws are preventing them from vanishing and or being flown like USAF drones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
200p Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 The only thing that withstands technology, and offshoring in the UK, is BTL sadly. Fill your boots at the bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Telepresence will make their jobs obsolete. specialised surgery robots will be used instead. For safety each hospital which operates will have a couple of standby surgeons who are actually there in case the uplink goes wrong or there is a power cut. I've seen telepresence in action in Japan, whereby one man at the head office manages 6+ restaurants using lots of cameras and VOIP to order his staff about. This would not be the same Japanese leaders in robotics who did not possess any automata capable of getting inside their crippled nuclear power plants at Fukushima. How is the tele-presence system in Japan working at the moment with the rolling schedule of power cuts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saberu Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 It was a great gig from about 1975 until about 2005. There aren't many jobs that have had better longevity : banker, lawyer, accountant, surgeon, engineer, teacher, nurse, architect, plumber, electrician and GP are the few that I can think of ..... Yeah I know a fair bit about the IT market, as an amateur 'IT guy' myself who moved into marketing/ entrepreneurship. As I said in another thread technology and automation are putting more power into capital owners hands and less power into the hands of labour, and for now the only way around this problem is to get into the marketing field preferably self employed as that has the lowest startup capital requirement for starting a business but probably requires more intelligence and a bit of ingenuinity. My brother graduates from a respectable university (for IT courses anyway) with a first, and had a huge amount of luck involved in managing to move from a second line IT support job to Network Manager at the company he worked for, for all intensive purposes considering his good qualifications and getting a high ranking job he should be getting paid 50k/ year by now as he has been in the job a few years. But I think he's on under 30k, in the South West. He is much more hard working than I am, probably more intelligent in the conventional sense of the word. Has more passion for working in IT than doing business so he was never interested in going self employed. So despite him being more intelligent than me, at the very least his memory is much better than mine, he did well in exams etc. I think I'm probably going to be earning more than him in future even when he reaches the peak of his career, and when he reaches that point he will realise having all that experience and IT skills on his belt doesn't really give him true independance. Which is sad because he's always considered himself to be significantly better than I am, whether that means he deserves more than me is a different question though I certainly don't consider him to be superior to me as I'm probably a nicer person than he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trampa501 Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 There are very few safe jobs left that pay a reasonable wage, so your mate's dad can thank Blair and Brown for that. I hope he can get another job in the same industry. If not don't bother with the following: 1. Retraining as a plumber - rates undercut by Polish. 2. Teaching - oh dear, the cuts have just started. 3. Stacking shelves - no, Polish again. 4. Call centre - nope. 5. Politician - yes, if he can lie, cheat and steal. If I still lived in Britain I would find a business that dealt mainly with cash. I would pay my expenses in cash and account for them in the same was the MPs do. The best thing your mate's dad can do is leave the country. There's little point in learning new IT skills because some fabricated offshore CV will always have better skills and be willing to work for nothing. If you mate's dad cannot get another job, or leave the UK, he might as well move to Scotland or Wales to claim free prescriptions and superior benefits. I wish I was joking. Hits several nails firmly on their head. Excellent (and depressing) post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Democorruptcy Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Good old Dave Camoron I don't think he sees himself as British - just international banker kleptocrat - yep, doesn't care about this country at all Welcome to UK banker tax franchise 134.3 All Cameron cares about is Firerush Ventures No 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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