As Expected Here All English/welsh Uni's To Charge Near The Maximum

[interestrateripoff]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/fees-plan-set-to-fail-as-weakest-universities-charge-top-rates-2258902.html

Some of the worst universities in the country plan to charge students close to the maximum fee of £9,000 a year and not one of them plans to charge average fees of £6,000 a year or less – the level which ministers said would be the norm when they announced the controversial proposals. Most of the bottom 20 plan to charge more than £7,500 a year.

Universities had until yesterday to indicate privately if they intended to charge more that £6,000 a year for students entering higher education in 2012 – although they have until later this month to set their exact fee levels.

The Independent understands that every single university in England and Wales has expressed an interest in charging more and that the Office for Fair Access, which universities have to inform of their plans, is taking on additional staff to cope. At least 60 universities will announce they intend to charge £9,000 a year. This is despite a pledge by David Cameron that universities would only be able to charge £9,000 in "exceptional circumstances".

All this could end up costing the Government £1bn more than budgeted each year as it will have to provide upfront fees to universities, long before students repay them.

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Last year, when fee levels were set, ministers expected that this would only apply to the most elite universities – and suggested that average fees across the 130-odd universities in the UK would be no more than £7,500.

That now looks like a significant underestimate. So far 22 universities have declared their planned tuition fee, with an average charge of £8,684.78. Even those which consistently come in the bottom 20 of university league tables say privately that their fees will be "significantly more" than £6,000.

Buckinghamshire New University – where more than half of graduates are still unemployed six months after leaving – is yet to announce its fees but confirmed that it would set them above £6,000. "We have looked at various options. In the current circumstances, like everybody, we have to balance the books," said a spokeswoman.

No surprises here. It would appear that the govt anticipated that the less successful Uni's would attract candidates by lower fees in return for a poorer education.

However the bottom Uni's don't want to charge lower fees because from the off it will make them look inferior, so everyone is going to charge the maximum.

Welcome to mass debt education.

[R K]

Well done Vince.

Lifetime of debt slavery for our 18 yr old kids.

Just like you campaigned not to do.

Hang your head in shame, or better still, resign and take your idiot leader with you.

[The Masked Tulip]

Was talking to a nurse this week whose son graduated from Cardiff Uni last year but who has found no work.

He had done some Mickey Mouse sounding degree from what she told me but she also pointed out that he was thousands in debt and stood no chance of every buying a home.

[Conrad]

Universities wanted to make more money and run like businesses now they can but not with tax payers money, they have become inefficient and overbloated and too many idiots are going to uni. this will redress the balance

[Lagarde's Drift]

Was talking to a nurse this week whose son graduated from Cardiff Uni last year but who has found no work.

He had done some Mickey Mouse sounding degree from what she told me but she also pointed out that he was thousands in debt and stood no chance of every buying a home.

But..... her home must be worth £xxxk because it's worth it!

The various ponzis are slowly unravelling, it is a shame it will claim an entire generation or two of people.

[cashinmattress]

It's a good thing. 90% of the university courses offered today are absolute crap, and add no value to society outside of creating a ridiculous sense of entitlement.

This will keep out most of the dimwits, kill off the bvllsh1t programs.

Anyone genuinely bright enough to get into a vocational program will have access to grants and bursaries, if they try of course.

I don't ever remember seeing Asda requiring a degree in a soft science to stack shelves. Things will return to normal.

[Si1]

Well done Vince.

Lifetime of debt slavery for our 18 yr kids of the rich who end up in well paying jobs.

Just like you campaigned not to do.

Hang your head in shame, or better still, resign and take your idiot leader with you.

how the f*ck is a champagne socialist trougher supposed to get his kids sorted in life in a cushdie council job when you go and progressively tax their higher earnings and not the poor working classes?

corrected for you

[Si1]

It's a good thing. 90% of the university courses offered today are absolute crap, and add no value to society outside of creating a ridiculous sense of entitlement.

This will keep out most of the dimwits, kill off the bvllsh1t programs.

Anyone genuinely bright enough to get into a vocational program will have access to grants and bursaries, if they try of course.

I don't ever remember seeing Asda requiring a degree in a soft science to stack shelves. Things will return to normal.

+1

[rw42]

It's a good thing. 90% of the university courses offered today are absolute crap, and add no value to society outside of creating a ridiculous sense of entitlement.

This will keep out most of the dimwits, kill off the bvllsh1t programs.

Anyone genuinely bright enough to get into a vocational program will have access to grants and bursaries, if they try of course.

I don't ever remember seeing Asda requiring a degree in a soft science to stack shelves. Things will return to normal.

How? the kind of muppet that does a useless drinkers degree will still be able to go, get a loan for the full fee, and never pay it back as they won't earn enough.

How will that discourage any of them? It's punishing the people that university was supposed to be good for - i.e. those that learn something useful that let them get into a skilled industry.

[scrappycocco]

It's a good thing. 90% of the university courses offered today are absolute crap, and add no value to society outside of creating a ridiculous sense of entitlement.

This will keep out most of the dimwits, kill off the bvllsh1t programs.

Anyone genuinely bright enough to get into a vocational program will have access to grants and bursaries, if they try of course.

I don't ever remember seeing Asda requiring a degree in a soft science to stack shelves. Things will return to normal.

+2

[R K]

corrected for you

Absolute tosh as per all your other posts.

Rather than edit what I say perhaps you should stick to your habitual dribbled utterings.

Cheers.

[Jadoube]

How? the kind of muppet that does a useless drinkers degree will still be able to go, get a loan for the full fee, and never pay it back as they won't earn enough.

How will that discourage any of them? It's punishing the people that university was supposed to be good for - i.e. those that learn something useful that let them get into a skilled industry.

+1000 Great to see somebody thinks rather than parrot dogma.

[DeepLurker]

How? the kind of muppet that does a useless drinkers degree will still be able to go, get a loan for the full fee, and never pay it back as they won't earn enough.

How will that discourage any of them? It's punishing the people that university was supposed to be good for - i.e. those that learn something useful that let them get into a skilled industry.

+1

We don't need so many graduates (as another poster pointed out, you don't need a degree to stack the shelves at Asda).

The obvious solution would be to cut back on the number/size of unis.

But no, instead we will make it harder for the disadvantaged to go to uni, by threatening them with massive debt (those with rich parents of course will get a nice gift from the BoMaD and graduate debt-free).

This is just going to discourage social mobility.

[Guest_FaFa!_*]

This is what will happen, we are turning American over the next decade:

Oxbridge/Russell Group will go private

London Met and its ilk go bankrupt and are taken over by Pearson, Apollo Group and the like

The middling ones continue to receive govt support on condition of generous bursaries and scholarships (backed by the taxpayer, natch)

This reduces HE to a manageable size and funding levels as number of unis requiring govt funding are purged. The rich ones go alone, the poor ones go out of the system.

[_w_]

I don't ever remember seeing Asda requiring a degree in a soft science to stack shelves. Things will return to normal.

Oh no they won't!

Stacking shelves at Asda will be soon done by robots. Much sooner, it will be done by Bangladeshi immigrants who will be happy to work for a bowl of rice.

What is our youth to do?

[Peter Hun]

Germany runs free degree course, in English, to anybody who applies, not limited to German nationals.

They were judged the best in the world.

[RichB]

Universities had until yesterday to indicate privately if they intended to charge more that £6,000 a year for students entering higher education in 2012 – although they have until later this month to set their exact fee levels.

Ah well. Journalism standards slipping too I see...

[PopGun]

+1000 Great to see somebody thinks rather than parrot dogma.

Indeed. Close you're eyes, and you'd think it was the old Pro Labour stooges talking.

As pointed out many times (but curiously ignored) hardly any of these loans will actually get paid back.

The government has effectively trebled it's higher education budget liability!?

Anyone who thinks this will end up being a good policy for anyone concerned needs their heads testing.

(9+4)*3 = £39k (+ at least £39k again for interest)

But hey, you only have to make the minimum payment each month so nothing to worry about.

Another debt tab passed on to generation AA. That's what I call progressive.

I have a truly innovative idea, how about the students collect their A-Levels/BTECS, get on the plane and do their degrees where there are actually some jobs!? The UK obviously doesn't want them and imo don’t deserve them (as demonstrated by many attitudes on here).

Edited April 1, 2011 by PopGun

[_w_]

Oh no they won't!

Stacking shelves at Asda will be soon done by robots. Much sooner, it will be done by Bangladeshi immigrants who will be happy to work for a bowl of rice.

What is our youth to do?

Come on you geniuses out there who think restricting access to education is such a good idea.

What are the young to do?

[Si1]

Indeed. Close you're eyes, and you'd think it was the old Pro Labour stooges talking.

As pointed out many times (but curiously ignored) hardly any of these loans will actually get paid back.

The government has effectively trebled it's higher education budget liability!?

Anyone who thinks this will end up being a good policy for anyone concerned needs their heads testing.

(9+4)*3 = £39k (+ at least £39k again for interest)

But hey, you only have to make the minimum payment each month so nothing to worry about.

Another debt tab passed on to generation AA. That's what I call progressive.

I have a truly innovative idea, how about the students collect their A-Levels/BTECS, get on the plane and do their degrees where there are actually some jobs!? The UK obviously doesn't want them and imo don't deserve them (as demonstrated by many attitudes on here).

this is the most convincing argument against the new system, which is SUPPOSED to cost the same as the old AFAIK, but yep, it may cost more if it doesn't turn out the way they hope/expect

[Si1]

Absolute tosh as per all your other posts.

Rather than edit what I say perhaps you should stick to your habitual dribbled utterings.

Cheers.

oh dear. you blinked.

[Democorruptcy]

The increased tuition fees will all go on University salaries.

We cannot blame them - house prices aren't cheap dontcha know?

[crash2006]

Maybe all funding should be taken away from universities, see their reaction, and the courses they offer change, i fail to understand why i should now fund universities if i have to pay to use them, iam being robbed now.

[Si1]

Maybe all funding should be taken away from universities, see their reaction, and the courses they offer change, i fail to understand why i should now fund universities if i have to pay to use them, iam being robbed now.

AFAIK the course funding IS being withdrawn and used to pay for the shortfall of the new progressive student loans system, which WILL, as you say, mean the courses will change - AFAIK a lot more engineering and finance, a lot less liberal humanities, arts, and social sciences, and middling soft science like env science and geology

[Georgia O'Keeffe]

Oh no they won't!

Stacking shelves at Asda will be soon done by robots. Much sooner, it will be done by Bangladeshi immigrants who will be happy to work for a bowl of rice.

What is our youth to do?

undercut them and work for a grain of rice