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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/borisjohnson/8410355/What-Ed-Miliband-should-have-said-to-the-Hyde-Park-throng.html

Sadly it's unlikely the idiots at the protest won't read/understand how correct Boris is.

So that's the alternative, eh! I was starting to wonder. After all those strategy reviews, all those blank bits of paper, we have finally heard Labour's response to the fiscal crisis bequeathed to the nation by Gordon Brown. The plan is to get a load of aggressive crusties and Lefties to attack the Ritz hotel, to storm Fortnum's, and to cause so much argy-bargy that 4,500 police officers are obliged to waste their time (and our money) in putting out the bonfires and controlling events as peacefully as they can.

That's Labour's long-awaited master-plan for kick-starting the economy. Isn't it grand? You may think I am being unfair to the youthful Labour leader Ed Miliband, who addressed the crowd of TUC marchers in Hyde Park. But I paid careful attention to his short speech, because I was interested to hear what this "alternative" was going to be – and on that crucial issue, which was the very point and essence of the entire march, I am afraid I heard two thirds of diddly squat.

He compared himself with the suffragettes. He likened himself, emetically, to Nelson Mandela. He announced that he was "friends" with absolutely everyone there and that he supported their "March for the Alternative", and just when I thought he was going to tell us what this might actually be – he vanished! We know that Labour now thinks it politic to accept that they made a disastrous hash of the economy, and indeed even Ed Balls was on telly the other night to say as much. We know that the Labour leadership also accepts that in order to be "credible" it has to agree that some cuts to state spending are necessary and desirable, and we know that Alistair Darling himself was planning at least 80 per cent of the savings now being proposed by the Coalition. All we need to know is how Labour would make these cuts, and in what ways Labour's programme differs from that of the Government. And if they won't come clean and say what they would cut, then their very presence at the march – and Miliband's speech – is the most disgusting cheat and fraud.

How can Balls join this throng of placards denouncing all cuts everywhere, when he won't come clean and say what he would cut himself? As I shall never tire of reminding him, Ed Miliband attended the same excellent north London school as I did, and yet sometimes I fear he has forgotten the high standards of intellectual honesty that are demanded of Old Primroseans. If he had an ounce of candour or decency, he would have made a very different speech on Saturday.

"Friends," he would have said, "I want you to know that I am generally opposed to cutting too far and too fast, and that is why Ed Balls and I think we could perhaps get away with significantly smaller cuts than those envisaged by the Government!" And the crowd roars its approval. "No cuts! No cuts!" they chant. At this, the honest version of Ed Miliband raises his hand in caution. "I didn't say no cuts, friends. We think we could maintain market confidence and go ahead with only 80 per cent of the cuts. Think of that. We – the party of Nelson Mandela, the suffragettes and the Tolpuddle martyrs – we would only institute four fifths of the evil Tory cuts!" By this stage his message is sinking in. Frowns of concentration are appearing.

A mutter is growing. "What about me?" comes the voice of an Equalities Impact Assessment Officer from a superfluous quango. "What about my job?"

And soon his cry would be taken up by voices around Hyde Park. "What about me?" they cry; and Ed boggles slowly at the mass of indignant humanity, like a Plasticine character made by Nick Park. "Er – I don't know!" he says. "It depends on what you are doing and whether you are really essential for frontline services." "We're all essential!" says the crowd. "I know, I know," says the stricken Miliband. "But we have got to make some savings somewhere. We can't afford to push interest rates up as high as they are in Portugal and Greece. That would be catastrophic. We have got to keep the confidence of the markets that we have a plan to curb the deficit – can't you see that? Even the Tory cuts aren't really cuts, they are only bringing the levels of state spending back, in real terms, to where it was in 2007."

But by this point the crowd is no longer listening. With a horrible gurgling cry they have flooded the stage and the last we see of Miliband is the insect-like flapping of his limbs as he is borne aloft and away in the general direction of the Serpentine. Which was why, of course, he kept his speech as short and empty as he did. All we have had from Labour is some generalised hatred of wealth-creators, especially in the City of London, and the intelligent proposal from a senior Labour figure that members of the financial services industry should be machine-gunned". In the absence of any other programme from the Left, it is perhaps not surprising that the extremists behave as they do. The sad thing is that in spite of their crocodile tears, Balls and Miliband will feel quietly satisfied by the disorder – a token, they will tell themselves, of the public feeling that is out there to exploit.

They will be content to see the police being unfairly attacked on all sides, for being too passive (the Right-wing press) or too brutal (the Guardian) and they will continue to blather on while saying nothing about what they would cut themselves. The real alternative is to cease talking ourselves down, to cut taxes as soon as possible, to create tens of thousands more apprenticeships for 18- to 24-year-olds, to repeal politically correct legislation, cut waste and invest in education and infrastructure, and remember that of all the major cities recently examined by a Citigroup survey, the UK capital had by far the greatest potential for growth. If this hypocritical silence is the best "alternative" Labour can come up with, they will remain in opposition for years.

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Interesting that he's pushing the line that the Tories are the responsible party who are going to take Britain back from the edge of bankruptcy. The Tories are not actually cutting spending in nominal terms. If you look at their own numbers, they are planning to slow the growth in spending to about 0.5-2.5% pa over the next 5 years and hope that tax revenues rise by 5-6.5% pa in the same period. They are nowhere near the fiscal radicals they pretend to be.

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Interesting that he's pushing the line that the Tories are the responsible party who are going to take Britain back from the edge of bankruptcy. The Tories are not actually cutting spending in nominal terms. If you look at their own numbers, they are planning to slow the growth in spending to about 0.5-2.5% pa over the next 5 years and hope that tax revenues rise by 5-6.5% pa in the same period. They are nowhere near the fiscal radicals they pretend to be.

The tories come across as weak and spineless. They just have to hope liebour come across as more weak and more spineless. While that shouldnt be an issue with ed M, ed B could be quite an effective leader if he doesnt keep messing up his deficits and debts.

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The tories come across as weak and spineless. They just have to hope liebour come across as more weak and more spineless. While that shouldnt be an issue with ed M, ed B could be quite an effective leader if he doesnt keep messing up his deficits and debts.

shutup, shutup.

One more election and the caretaker leader will have to go :ph34r:

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/borisjohnson/8410355/What-Ed-Miliband-should-have-said-to-the-Hyde-Park-throng.html

Sadly it's unlikely the idiots at the protest won't read/understand how correct Boris is.

All British governments, irrespective of partisanship, are simply managing decline. Since 1900 the Conservatives were in charge of Britain for about 57 years, and the Left in one form or another for about 55 years. In other words, they share equal responsibility for whatever is the state of the nation in 2012.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/borisjohnson/8410355/What-Ed-Miliband-should-have-said-to-the-Hyde-Park-throng.html

Sadly it's unlikely the idiots at the protest won't read/understand how correct Boris is.

I read the first line of that and decided not to waste my time with the rest of it. It gave me at least 5 groans within just 4 lines. It couldnt have crammed in more idiotic assumptions/reactions if it tried.

But here is a picture that may interest you.

It seems to be some hooded agent provocateur showing his ID to a uniformed police officer:

http://www.mobypicture.com/user/mrdazadams/view/9062944/sizes/full

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I read the first line of that and decided not to waste my time with the rest of it. It gave me at least 5 groans within just 4 lines. It couldnt have crammed in more idiotic assumptions/reactions if it tried.

But here is a picture that may interest you.

It seems to be some hooded agent provocateur showing his ID to a uniformed police officer:

http://www.mobypicture.com/user/mrdazadams/view/9062944/sizes/full

Probably just undercover police or SIS.

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...wealth-creators, especially in the City of London...

If you earn money by printing money, then you are not creating wealth. Currency debasing - seigniorage - only moves wealth around.

When the bank lends you money to buy a house, it doesn't build the house.

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Apart from the 'wealth-creators in the City' bit, it's a said day when I agree with Boris Johnson more than the leader of the Labour party.

I was never a fan of Milliband major, but Milliband minor is just pathetic. I don't understand how anyone can think Ed Balls is a good idea, though - he was Brown's economic architect.

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A mutter is growing. "What about me?" comes the voice of an Equalities Impact Assessment Officer from a superfluous quango. "What about my job?"

Total hypocrisy from BJ who has been an enthusiastic supporter of the imposition of a multi-cultural society on the public.

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Total hypocrisy from BJ who has been an enthusiastic supporter of the imposition of a multi-cultural society on the public.

And is himself a public sector worker!

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Total hypocrisy from BJ who has been an enthusiastic supporter of the imposition of a multi-cultural society on the public.

Good point - the 'Mayor of London' is the original non-job as it was pretty much created to give Red Ken something to do after the abolition of the GLC. That daft 'helmet' building is a typical Blairite statist folly...

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I cant wait till they really have to make cuts...this will get interesting !!!

They're only cutting back on the labour party election bribe and look at the mess it's causing...

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Good point - the 'Mayor of London' is the original non-job as it was pretty much created to give Red Ken something to do after the abolition of the GLC. That daft 'helmet' building is a typical Blairite statist folly...

Have you forgotten that Ken was expelled from the Labour party for running against Frank Dobson?

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The language is as one would expect from Boris but the points he makes are absolutely sound. What is the alternative that Labour is suggesting apart from Ed Balls total denial of the debt and deficit?

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I cant wait till they really have to make cuts...this will get interesting !!!

They're only cutting back on the labour party election bribe and look at the mess it's causing...

Well yes, I can't say 'I can't wait' but I think your point is sound: I hear a LOT of bleating about potential job losses and cuts from friends of mine in the public sector and from Labour but really things haven't actually started - it's just the unwinding of the MASSIVE and unprecedented stimulus. Give it until the end of the summer and I think we will see a lot more desperation - and in house price expectations too- as people really do feel the pinch... at the minute its just been drip-drip-drip of inflation on household incomes.

I have a couple of examples of people now confirmed redundant from the public sector but their redundancy packages will see them through the next 8 months comfortably. Come the end of the summer when they have blown a load on a Tuscan Villa and they have no other employment then we will see how chuffed they are with their package. Panic may start by September / October IMO.

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Well yes, I can't say 'I can't wait' but I think your point is sound: I hear a LOT of bleating about potential job losses and cuts from friends of mine in the public sector and from Labour but really things haven't actually started - it's just the unwinding of the MASSIVE and unprecedented stimulus. Give it until the end of the summer and I think we will see a lot more desperation - and in house price expectations too- as people really do feel the pinch... at the minute its just been drip-drip-drip of inflation on household incomes.

I have a couple of examples of people now confirmed redundant from the public sector but their redundancy packages will see them through the next 8 months comfortably. Come the end of the summer when they have blown a load on a Tuscan Villa and they have no other employment then we will see how chuffed they are with their package. Panic may start by September / October IMO.

The cuts suggested are not massive they can only be the start of repairing Gordans economic mis-management and withdrawal of bribes to the electorate. To see Ed Balls spouting on about this is almost laughable.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/borisjohnson/8410355/What-Ed-Miliband-should-have-said-to-the-Hyde-Park-throng.html

Sadly it's unlikely the idiots at the protest won't read/understand how correct Boris is.

When you guys start quoting Boris I know the argument has been won :lol:

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All British governments, irrespective of partisanship, are simply managing decline. Since 1900 the Conservatives were in charge of Britain for about 57 years, and the Left in one form or another for about 55 years. In other words, they share equal responsibility for whatever is the state of the nation in 2012.

I note that you said "the Left in one form or another".

While the Conservatives have maintained a broadly consistent position throughout that whole period the so called left has jumped about all over the place.

I don't know about how you guys on the right see the Tories but most of us lefties feel that there has never been a truly left wing government in Britain.

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Have you forgotten that Ken was expelled from the Labour party for running against Frank Dobson?

Well spotted.

It's like the time I had some guy telling me he voted Tory ever since Labour wrecked the economy with their 3 day week. I could see the cogs going round in his tiny mind for over half an hour after I pointed out that the 3 day week was under Ted Heath. :huh:

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The language is as one would expect from Boris but the points he makes are absolutely sound. What is the alternative that Labour is suggesting apart from Ed Balls total denial of the debt and deficit?

This constant pushing of the "what is the alternative" question is a bit like the "out of the frying pan, into the fire" thing.

If I find myself in a frying pan I jump. If I land in the fire I jump again. I don't happily stay in either place just because some VI who's not burning tells me "it's for your own good in the long term".

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I have a couple of examples of people now confirmed redundant from the public sector but their redundancy packages will see them through the next 8 months comfortably.

8 months? Wow, that's a long time.....not. <_<

If I was them I'd be panicking now.

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I don't know about how you guys on the right see the Tories but most of us lefties feel that there has never been a truly left wing government in Britain.

Keep waiting. I'm sure you'll get your murderous, totalitarian despot sooner or later.

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