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I saw on the news last night that the protesters in London smashed up a couple of banks ( the BBC propaganda machine called them businesses but the pictures didn't lie, they were banks ). looks like Some people took a bit of their angst out against the thieves that caused the problem!!!

Did anyone here go? What did you see ?

No one should advocate violence but if the powers at be wont prosecute the bankers and we all suffer as a direct consequence then what do they expect ?

I heard on the radio last night they are worried about protesters at the royal wedding now....they were laying it on thick, like it was a bad thing. These people are detached from reality.

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How do you feel this years protest coverage compares with last?

Seems to me much more skewed towards saying the protesters are generally a good bunch of people with the occasional bad apple spoiling it for everyone. Last 10 years or so the coverage has seemed to indicate the opposite.

Anyone else?

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I didn't go.

I couldn't, I would have been lynched when I laughed in their faces when they talked about their jobs as "their right". Right to a job? Nice idea! Seriously, these people are completely detached from reality.

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How do you feel this years protest coverage compares with last?

Seems to me much more skewed towards saying the protesters are generally a good bunch of people with the occasional bad apple spoiling it for everyone. Last 10 years or so the coverage has seemed to indicate the opposite.

Anyone else?

The BBC was at extreme pains to point out that the lawless rioters were completely separate from the darling and deserving public sector workers. If it had been an EDL march any adjunct crime would have been laid straight at their door. The bias in the reporting was thick as treacle.

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Apparantly the main protest march went off peacefully but a few hundred went off and smashed a few bank windows, broke into Fortnum and Masons and were up for a row with plod.

This lot turn up for every event now. They have been hijacking every demonstration for years now. It`s the same scabby faces. Occasionally a few genuine protestors get involved but overall these `Anarchists` do not represent me or anyone who genuinely want to show the authorities they are pissed.

If this was football related violence the authorities would be in a lot quicker and harder and when caught they would be giving them some serious sentences.

I would have no problem with Mr average turning up at a demo because he is angry and wants the world to know, I also accept that he could turn his anger to the Police and the fecking banks etc but the effect is totally diluted because of the mob out for recreational mayhem.

Shame.

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If everyone who stands around with a camera taking pictures of the monkies just put the cameras down and stopped the idiots, it'd be much better.

60 cameras around one lad throwing stuff through a window says a lot about the state of the UK.

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How do you feel this years protest coverage compares with last?

Seems to me much more skewed towards saying the protesters are generally a good bunch of people with the occasional bad apple spoiling it for everyone. Last 10 years or so the coverage has seemed to indicate the opposite.

Anyone else?

No, think you've got a case of confirmation bias going on there. I don't remember the Iraq war march being labelled as a bunch of trouble-makers. Or the G20 (was it G20, or just anti-bankers in general?). Although to be fair, the G20 did have a load of trouble makers in it but the big story was the aggressive use of kettling and police brutality.

The recent student fees marches were also reported on fairly evenly - some news sources tried to make clear the difference between the trouble makers and the rest.

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The BBC was at extreme pains to point out that the lawless rioters were completely separate from the darling and deserving public sector workers. If it had been an EDL march any adjunct crime would have been laid straight at their door. The bias in the reporting was thick as treacle.

Bias my ass. The trouble-makers here were a small minority and not really anything to do with the main march organisers.

On the other hand, the EDL go out of their way to organise a 'protest' in towns and cities where they are looking to provoke the locals.

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Did anyone here go? What did you see ?

My niece went and seems to have had a jolly time. I thought about going, but IMHO the focus on cuts alone w/o, afaict, any other context is just silly. Basically, if you turned up, it looked like implicit support for Labour's mantra.

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The BBC was at extreme pains to point out that the lawless rioters were completely separate from the darling and deserving public sector workers. If it had been an EDL march any adjunct crime would have been laid straight at their door. The bias in the reporting was thick as treacle.

I noticed how the BBC was _very_ pro TUC... but this, I guess, shouldn't be a surprise. I thought the cheer leading about the high turn-out was hilarious - or, at least, it would have been if I thought the public would really think about it critically. For example, did it really justify or detract from the cause that it was a 'family day out' - no-doubt with children and partners being counted among attendees?

Of note, I thought, were the absolutely hilarious 'sit-in' at Fortnum & Mason - a bunch of people came in, hung out among some posh biscuits - then left quietly. I guess, if you're going to protest, that's a very English way to do so.

I was a bit more bemused that the more violent group was described as being a mixture of "Socialist Worker Party" and "Anarchist groups". Assuming it's true - wouldn't that leave a real clash of ideals? The SWP effectively arguing for a strong government to empower workers - while anarchists want abolition of an interfering government? Of course, the actions were incompatible with both aims - in justifying a considerable police infrastructure and driving up social costs.

I was surprised that the Guardian published their poll showing that the majority they asked did not agree with the 250,000 strong protesters.

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The BBC was at extreme pains to point out that the lawless rioters were completely separate from the darling and deserving public sector workers. If it had been an EDL march any adjunct crime would have been laid straight at their door. The bias in the reporting was thick as treacle.

The bias is in your mind. It is you that is sadly detached from reality.

About 250 -500 trouble makers in a separate area from the march who did not "break off" from the main group as they were never part of it. Set against that you have well over a quarter of a million peaceful protesters.

Do you understand the meaning of "balance"? The trouble makers got far more than their fair share of coverage purely because it was more of a story in the media's eyes.

In answer to the OP, I did not go but my wife was there. Not only did it go well but all those who attended will have gone back to work today full of an increased willingness to stand up for themselves and will be spreading the word amongst those who failed to attend.

The next one will be much bigger. Mark my words.

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More people from HPC might have gone if their plan was to save front line services by cutting the top 50% of public sector by salaries by 25% so less of them can afford to pay silly prices for houses.

All they want is to stop front line cuts but they have no plan to cover the cost, which eventually just results in more QE to impoverish them and enrich the financial sector even more.

The cuts are a symptom but they don't understand the cause.

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There was one film clip that had a crowd of protestors showering a group of police with missiles of various sizes: sticks, banners, traffic cone etc. etc. The crowds included a number of orange hi-vis vested march marshalls or whatever they are called, who didn't appear to be trying to stop anything.

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It's most amusing to see 'anarchists' campaigning for a bigger state.

Indeed!

The irony!

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The bias is in your mind. It is you that is sadly detached from reality.

About 250 -500 trouble makers in a separate area from the march who did not "break off" from the main group as they were never part of it. Set against that you have well over a quarter of a million peaceful protesters.

Do you understand the meaning of "balance"? The trouble makers got far more than their fair share of coverage purely because it was more of a story in the media's eyes.

In answer to the OP, I did not go but my wife was there. Not only did it go well but all those who attended will have gone back to work today full of an increased willingness to stand up for themselves and will be spreading the word amongst those who failed to attend.

The next one will be much bigger. Mark my words.

I guess you'd like to make attendance compulsory?!

Roughly 1 in every 200 people in the country attended the march, so don't get carried away.

They should have been throwing eggs at Millibland, but these self-righteous blind muppets always have the same enemy regardless of the cause.

It was the Labour government who got us into this mess - the banks merely went with the flow, encouraged all the way by Moron Clown.

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The bias is in your mind. It is you that is sadly detached from reality.

About 250 -500 trouble makers in a separate area from the march who did not "break off" from the main group as they were never part of it. Set against that you have well over a quarter of a million peaceful protesters.

Do you understand the meaning of "balance"? The trouble makers got far more than their fair share of coverage purely because it was more of a story in the media's eyes.

In answer to the OP, I did not go but my wife was there. Not only did it go well but all those who attended will have gone back to work today full of an increased willingness to stand up for themselves and will be spreading the word amongst those who failed to attend.

The next one will be much bigger. Mark my words.

Sooooo.... You think the cuts are too deep? If so, how do you propose to sort out the debt?

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Sooooo.... You think the cuts are too deep? If so, how do you propose to sort out the debt?

Stop all foreign aid, nationalise everything by force and asset strip all non-essential companies.

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Can we organise a pro cut antiprotest?

We dont have to...You just need to assume the other 18 million real tax payers in the country who didn't attend want the cuts.

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Can we organise a pro cut antiprotest?

We dont have to...You just need to assume the other 18 million real tax payers in the country who didn't attend want the cuts.

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Apparantly the main protest march went off peacefully but a few hundred went off and smashed a few bank windows, broke into Fortnum and Masons and were up for a row with plod.

This lot turn up for every event now. They have been hijacking every demonstration for years now. It`s the same scabby faces. Occasionally a few genuine protestors get involved but overall these `Anarchists` do not represent me or anyone who genuinely want to show the authorities they are pissed.

If this was football related violence the authorities would be in a lot quicker and harder and when caught they would be giving them some serious sentences.

I would have no problem with Mr average turning up at a demo because he is angry and wants the world to know, I also accept that he could turn his anger to the Police and the fecking banks etc but the effect is totally diluted because of the mob out for recreational mayhem.

Shame.

I suspect a number are Agent Provocateurs paid to divert attention the main demonstration. The rest are simply dupes. Most of these 'anarchists' whether they realise it or not are working implicitly to prop up the status quo and stifle meaningful change.

One things makes me particularly suspicious about them. They never do any serious damage. All the activity is directed at acts of petty vandalism such as smashing windows that make for good TV pictures but which do no lasting harm to the institutions that they claim to despise. The fact they never torch Whitehall or anywhere else of significance suggests they are faux revolutionaries in every way.

In fact a brief historical study shows that the 'anarchist threat' is regularly trotted out by the authorities every time they face popular opposition. The same thing happened in the late nineteenth century when governments were faced by the earliest workers movements and trade unions. Subsequently it was found that some of the leading anarchists in Russia and elsewhere were all in the pay of the state. Joseph Conrad neatly depicted the whole sorry charade in his novel Under Western Eyes. For a non fictional account the life of Sergay Degayev, the leader of the anarchist group the Narodnaya Volya and also full time employee of the Okrahana, the Czarist secret police is instructive.

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