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Segregation Of Race Whilst Going For A Pint?

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My friend was visiting Cardiff yesterday to watch the match. He had travelled up from west Wales so i said I'd meet him for a pint before the game. Now I have zero interest in football and had know idea who was even playing. Turns out It was Wales Vs England.

Excellent, A great opportunity for English and Welsh supporters to meet in Cardiff. Look round, maybe a bit of sightseeing, shopping, A few beers with your team supporters and a good chance to meet the opposition and discuss the game over a beer. Seems to work for the Rugby matches?

No such luck. The first pub I get to in the centre of Cardiff and i'm stopped by the 2 large doormen. The conversation goes like this.

DM- Welsh or English mate?

Me- Sorry?

DM- Are you supporting Welsh or English?

Me- Oh right, No i'm not here for the game, just meeting up with some friends inside.

DM- Are you Welsh?

Me- yes, I live here.

DM- No probs, Go in.

I ask my mate what this was all about, apparently they're keeping the supporters in seperate pubs to stop any trouble. It's very normal. Really?

On my way out of town I call in my friends Bar where I'm asked the same series of questions from the doorman. So I quiz my friend on how this all works. A week before the game, They get a letter through the door telling them they will either be letting one side or the other in. No pubs are mixed. She seemed to think it very normal but said it never happpens for the rugby. I was amazed at this.

When leaving her bar I witnessed a huge amount of aggression as a group of drunk thugs chanted and threw bottles at a bus that drove past. Seemed like a hundred police were quickly on the scene and an arrest after one chap through a glass bottle at a street cleaner. These turned out to be Cardiff supporters, The bus that drove past were Swansea supporters and I believe there were other Cardiff/Swansea clashes throuout the day. Absolutely Crap atmosphere, And this was before the game, god knows how bad it was after.

I have to be honset I couldn't help feel ashamed by what was going on. Nobody seemed to be having fun, and lots were hugely aggressive.

No real point to my post, just that I never realized football supporters were such Dicks.

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I was there. Went for a pint in St Marys street didn't see any trouble, lots of kids and a good atmosphere. Granted not as good as a 6 nations game but not too bad.

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I was there. Went for a pint in St Marys street didn't see any trouble, lots of kids and a good atmosphere. Granted not as good as a 6 nations game but not too bad.

Thank you, Max.:)

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Totally standard for football. For each ground there are guides where you get listed out pubs which are home fans only and those where away fans are admitted.

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Catch phrase if not in the know.

I'm a bit slow you see :huh:

I only found out Max Boyce was gay a couple of years ago :blink:

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Totally standard for football. For each ground there are guides where you get listed out pubs which are home fans only and those where away fans are admitted.

Not always...probably at Prem / Championship level, its true, but go lower than that, fans do seem to mingle well (usually) and it does depend if there's a history of trouble between the two sets of fans...

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I was in Cardiff for the first time last weekend. It seemed like a civilized place.

Football brings out the worst in people. Or maybe it just brings out the worst people :)

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Not always...probably at Prem / Championship level, its true, but go lower than that, fans do seem to mingle well (usually) and it does depend if there's a history of trouble between the two sets of fans...

Lower leagues it seems to vary. The nearest pub to Carlisle's ground seems to be fairly random as to whether or not away fans are allowed in, for example.

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Lower leagues it seems to vary. The nearest pub to Carlisle's ground seems to be fairly random as to whether or not away fans are allowed in, for example.

Is that the beehive? i went there a few times when I was working in Carlisle. Seemed odd standing on concrete terrances like back in the 80s.

Re the OP - I take my kids to the ice hockey a lot more than the football these days. It's a much more family friendly, half the price, and totally lacks the poisonous atmoshere that you get at the footie when local rivals play. Both teams do a circuit of the rink applauding both home and away fans, who clap back - no snarled abuse and obscene gestures: seemed weird the 1st time after being raised on football!

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Is that the beehive? i went there a few times when I was working in Carlisle. Seemed odd standing on concrete terrances like back in the 80s.

Yes, that's the one. Sometimes it's no away fans, but I've seen a few in there on some of the few times I've been in (I usually have a few drinks after the match back in my local rather than near the ground - despite my local being over 100 miles from where I actually live).

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Not always...probably at Prem / Championship level, its true, but go lower than that, fans do seem to mingle well (usually) and it does depend if there's a history of trouble between the two sets of fans...

I don't know what the root of it is, but when York City are playing Luton you might want to contemplate a peaceful weekend break in Mogadishu. The scene in the city centre the last time it happened would make the weekend's antics in Trafalgar Square look like the work of pacifists. And to top it all off, a mob of well-oiled Luton supporters even stormed their way into the cab of an Inter City 125 at the railway station and attempted to drive it away.

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I don't know what the root of it is, but when York City are playing Luton you might want to contemplate a peaceful weekend break in Mogadishu. The scene in the city centre the last time it happened would make the weekend's antics in Trafalgar Square look like the work of pacifists. And to top it all off, a mob of well-oiled Luton supporters even stormed their way into the cab of an Inter City 125 at the railway station and attempted to drive it away.

I suspect that they have established "firms" - a lot (ex) league clubs do, or there may be a general ill feeling between the sides (local rivalry especially)... Moreover, a lot of the larger clubs dropping down levels can also bring trouble..

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as a football fan reading the op there's a part of me that thinks who is this big girls blouse and why doesn't he understand the game?

but on the whole he is spot on, even at club level why do people 'hate' the oppposition so much, and whyso even more when it's local derbies? it seems to only take one loon to set a whole crowd off.

then on a national scale too, competition with other nations :blink: if only people could see what the ****** they are doing and aim all this passion/agression at the elite/bankers.

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I don't know what the root of it is, but when York City are playing Luton you might want to contemplate a peaceful weekend break in Mogadishu. The scene in the city centre the last time it happened would make the weekend's antics in Trafalgar Square look like the work of pacifists. And to top it all off, a mob of well-oiled Luton supporters even stormed their way into the cab of an Inter City 125 at the railway station and attempted to drive it away.

I believe it started with this

Luton do have an element of "pwopa nawty" fans though - and a large EDL contingent that often pollute other clubs when an opportunity presents itself to incite some form of nationalist or racial hatred.

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View Postmon-keyhanger, on 27 March 2011 - 06:49 PM, said:

Catch phrase if not in the know.

I'm a bit slow you see :huh:

I only found out Max Boyce was gay a couple of years ago :blink:

How did you find out?

Or are you claiming what happens on rugby tours stays on tours :P:D

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I believe it started with this

Luton do have an element of "pwopa nawty" fans though - and a large EDL contingent that often pollute other clubs when an opportunity presents itself to incite some form of nationalist or racial hatred.

I think it really depends on the club.............the majority of football league clubs nowadays see very little or more likely no trouble except perhaps at a highly charged local derby.

Luton are notorious (like Burnley and Cardiff for instance) for being one of the minority of clubs that consistently still however hark back to the 1970s and attracts a large goup of chavvy scum; in fact most of their support is some way down that continuum. They were that way long, long before the EDL and the complete failure of the town economically and the team on the pitch has only made them more pathetic.

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How did you find out?

Or are you claiming what happens on rugby tours stays on tours :P:D

A colleague told me, it was unexpected.

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I have a theory that the low scoring in football creates an unusual amount of tension and aggression in the fans, and over the long term rots their brains.

Rugby, however, you team almost always scores something. Plus you get to watch the ruck ON the pitch.

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to the OP:

had it not occurred to you that the reason for the separartion of welsh and english supporters has something to do with the appauling and long running history of english international supporter hooiganism?

Have you ever been to a Cardiff or Swansea game?

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to the OP:

had it not occurred to you that the reason for the separartion of welsh and english supporters has something to do with the appauling and long running history of english international supporter hooiganism?

Absolutely. I'm not blaming one side here. It's just the violence I witnessed was between Swansea/Cardiff. But yes, It takes two to tango and I've since heard stories of England supporters kicking off at the train station the night before.

My point was more that it just seems sad and pathetic that this has to happen. What about having organised brawls slightly out of town where supporters who want to can batter each other and be left to it?? Would that work? It would stop the rest of us having to endure it whilst shopping/socialising/working in the town centre.

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