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Banning family members to join students apart from Post Grads.

English check at the airport when a student visa is presented, no pass, plane back home.

Only Universities and Public funded colleges to be trusted to check students all private colleges not trusted must apply for accreditation, no accreditation then closed down.

Students at private colleges not allowed to work whilst students, students at trusted colleges have to study 2/3rds time and 1/3 max work.

No right to work after graduation, only for top degrees.

As May said labour let immigration be sold as education.

Edit: Also all students have to prove they can afford to live here for the years it takes to get the education and no immigration for courses of less than 6 months.

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Its a start, but they need to be looking at the effect of EU immigration on wages and working conditions.

Infact EU trade from Eastern Europe as a whole.

Quick anecdotal for you:

A good friend of mine's dad runs a freight company, has done for years. They basically get packages round the world using any number of hauliers / carriers. He says that none of his regular UK based haulage firms and carriers can compete with the prices offered by the Polish firms - so he uses these guys where ever he can. This is an example of how being part of a free trade zone can actually work against you.

EDIT: And the closure and moving of the Cadbury's production line to Poland, for another example.

These are not savings that are passed onto the consumer, but are instead profits put into the pockets of shareholders

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What no private college! I'm sure the 'Shakespear Inglish Skool' located above the kebab shop is a fine, upstanding establishment. It must be - the current intake of 2,000 students can;t be wrong ...

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My wife has placed 9 Colombian students at a trusted school in London. These students genuinely come here to learn English, but they need to prove they already speak English to an intermediate level before they qualify, which is nuts. The industry is worth billions to the UK economy, and don't forget they are spending when they are here on rent, food, transport, entertainment etc, while currently only allowed to work 10 hours. 100% of the students she has helped have returned to Colombia after their studies and most are happy to, especially after a winter here. They do have the option to go to Australia, Canada or the US. I think the onus has to be passed to the schools to ensure they attend their classes and to inform the Border Agency when they have finished.

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My wife has placed 9 Colombian students at a trusted school in London. These students genuinely come here to learn English, but they need to prove they already speak English to an intermediate level before they qualify, which is nuts. The industry is worth billions to the UK economy, and don't forget they are spending when they are here on rent, food, transport, entertainment etc, while currently only allowed to work 10 hours. 100% of the students she has helped have returned to Colombia after their studies and most are happy to, especially after a winter here. They do have the option to go to Australia, Canada or the US. I think the onus has to be passed to the schools to ensure they attend their classes and to inform the Border Agency when they have finished.

This is the whole point of Mays proposals. Uni's, Colleges that have TRUSTED status can do this because the govt trusts them to follow the rules. It is the ones that as a poster above highlighted above that are diploma factories where students do not have to attend and hence do not get an education all they do is work in the black market that are being stopped.

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This is the whole point of Mays proposals. Uni's, Colleges that have TRUSTED status can do this because the govt trusts them to follow the rules. It is the ones that as a poster above highlighted above that are diploma factories where students do not have to attend and hence do not get an education all they do is work in the black market that are being stopped.

Can they reverse some of the migration it's created though?

Or are they going to have a pogram on illegal workers?

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This is the whole point of Mays proposals. Uni's, Colleges that have TRUSTED status can do this because the govt trusts them to follow the rules. It is the ones that as a poster above highlighted above that are diploma factories where students do not have to attend and hence do not get an education all they do is work in the black market that are being stopped.

I realise this, but they are still not making the UK an attractive place to learn English. If you don't speak good English, you can't come here to learn it. Insane thinking, and we are losing students and the income they bring. I'm happy that they are cracking down on the bogus colleges and hopefully this will put off those coming to find illegal work.

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What no private college! I'm sure the 'Shakespear Inglish Skool' located above the kebab shop is a fine, upstanding establishment. It must be - the current intake of 2,000 students can;t be wrong ...

There used to be a few of those floating around. :P

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Its a start, but they need to be looking at the effect of EU immigration on wages and working conditions.

Infact EU trade from Eastern Europe as a whole.

Quick anecdotal for you:

A good friend of mine's dad runs a freight company, has done for years. They basically get packages round the world using any number of hauliers / carriers. He says that none of his regular UK based haulage firms and carriers can compete with the prices offered by the Polish firms - so he uses these guys where ever he can. This is an example of how being part of a free trade zone can actually work against you.

EDIT: And the closure and moving of the Cadbury's production line to Poland, for another example.

These are not savings that are passed onto the consumer, but are instead profits put into the pockets of shareholders

European Union was always going to benefit the poorer nations. It's a one-way street. It does seem unfair that you can't go to Eastern Europe, stay in a house with a dozen other people from the UK, earn three times more than you normally would and go home after a few years and buy a house outright.

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I realise this, but they are still not making the UK an attractive place to learn English. If you don't speak good English, you can't come here to learn it. Insane thinking, and we are losing students and the income they bring. I'm happy that they are cracking down on the bogus colleges and hopefully this will put off those coming to find illegal work.

Sorry but unfortunately if more had been done by those in the unregulated colleges to stop this misuse in the first place these measures wouldn't be required. As far a I can remember a large percentage of "students" were really economic migrants.

I knew of one college that opened in a shop that was combined with a migration advice centre, their specialisation was asylum claims and their low priced "english" courses.

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I realise this, but they are still not making the UK an attractive place to learn English. If you don't speak good English, you can't come here to learn it. Insane thinking, and we are losing students and the income they bring. I'm happy that they are cracking down on the bogus colleges and hopefully this will put off those coming to find illegal work.

No the trusted educational establishments can teach the basic English I think they call it the pathway something or other.

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I realise this, but they are still not making the UK an attractive place to learn English. If you don't speak good English, you can't come here to learn it. Insane thinking, and we are losing students and the income they bring. I'm happy that they are cracking down on the bogus colleges and hopefully this will put off those coming to find illegal work.

I want to learn nuclear physics. Do you think they'd let me in at uni without at least having done physics o level?

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From BBC news now:

The rules for student visas into the UK are to be much tougher - after fears that this route of entry is being used dishonestly.

I just had to laugh when I read that, all i could say in response was "Really?"

Has this only just been realised?

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I want to learn nuclear physics. Do you think they'd let me in at uni without at least having done physics o level?

I'm talking about a 6 month course at a language school, not uni. What qualification do you need to do your physics o level?

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No the trusted educational establishments can teach the basic English I think they call it the pathway something or other.

What does the second line in your OP mean? Are they to be tested at the airport?

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What does the second line in your OP mean? Are they to be tested at the airport?

Correct, students that have applied to FE colleges or Uni's that have to have B1 or B2 level in English will be tested at Airport. Students coming in on I think May said Tier 4 visas to learn basic English will not as they are here to learn English. The test is to stop the bogus people who pay for other people to fill in the applications form and then only come here to work and not study.

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Correct, students that have applied to FE colleges or Uni's that have to have B1 or B2 level in English will be tested at Airport. Students coming in on I think May said Tier 4 visas to learn basic English will not as they are here to learn English. The test is to stop the bogus people who pay for other people to fill in the applications form and then only come here to work and not study.

In that case, that is a sensible solution; if they can police it.

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In that case, that is a sensible solution; if they can police it.

There was a heck of alot of abuses of the system mentioned during the debate so they seem to understand the problems with the system. Even down to students repeatedly failing exams to get visa extensions to stay in the UK. Starting another bogus course after finishing a bogus course to get visa extension to stay. All stopped now because if you fail no visa extension, max student visa three years (with exceptions for Medicine and dentistry) and no extension if course failed.

The issue will be kicking them out but at least they have removed the fact that with a student visa they could work with no student visa then at least the employer can be prosecuted which is not the case now.

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These are not savings that are passed onto the consumer, but are instead profits put into the pockets of shareholders

managers as bonuses

Corrected for you! rolleyes.gif

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I'm talking about a 6 month course at a language school, not uni. What qualification do you need to do your physics o level?

These days key stage 2 ... But in the old days 3 years of classes.

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I know someone who came in via one of these borderline colleges but then went to a real uni and now pays around £40k per year tax.

The ideal system would let in the best and the brightest, the most driven, the entrepreneurs etc. Locking it down too far isn't in the interests of the country.

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don't forget they are spending when they are here on rent, food, transport, entertainment etc, while currently only allowed to work 10 hours.

I met a foreign student a few days ago who is basically totally wasting his life.

Currently on some foundation degree doing one day a week and watching day TV for the other 6. starting a 3 year hospitality degree at some college paying 7k tuition & £80pw rentv+ other living costs.

It's a huge waste of time & money for him & his family but he will be spending perhaps 50k while he is here which in effect is providing one job year for us.

His plan is to get a job here once he finishes his useless degree however u can garanteed he won't get any decent work simply because of his attitude and character.

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I thought the Tories went soft on the matter months ago when their rich backers reminded them that they like paying subsidence wages. Whenever settlements rise in any particular industry employers yell "skills shortage" until the government issues enough new work permits to drive wages back down.

European Union was always going to benefit the poorer nations. It's a one-way street. It does seem unfair that you can't go to Eastern Europe, stay in a house with a dozen other people from the UK, earn three times more than you normally would and go home after a few years and buy a house outright.

No, it exploits poorer nations and creates a race to the bottom in rich countries, capital holders have been conducting a dutch auction to drive down the share of added value allocated to labour. Jimmy Goldsmith predicted exactly this years ago before NAFTA was signed.

The shill economists, politicos and journalists at places like Davos are totally ignorant of how glow-ball-isation plays out in the real world :-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/video/2011/feb/16/precariat-flexible-labour-market-video

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I met a foreign student a few days ago who is basically totally wasting his life.

Currently on some foundation degree doing one day a week and watching day TV for the other 6. starting a 3 year hospitality degree at some college paying 7k tuition & £80pw rentv+ other living costs.

It's a huge waste of time & money for him & his family but he will be spending perhaps 50k while he is here which in effect is providing one job year for us.

His plan is to get a job here once he finishes his useless degree however u can garanteed he won't get any decent work simply because of his attitude and character.

He wont get a job here because May just changed the rules he will be kicked out. This was one of the abuses of the system. Get any old degree here and then you had the right to stay for 2 more years to get any job even serving kebabs qualified. Now they have to have a job offer before the end of the course that pays over 20K or no visa renewal no automatic right to stay.

All changed.

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