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May I add that britain doesn't exist?

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Nations are mere farms. They are corporations run for profit with the willing labour of their respective populations, nothing more.

Nation states died a long time ago. We are here to make money for a few people.

Globalisation is just a means for the sociopaths who run things to make the system easier to manage. It's a "tidying up" exercise

Britain was made bankrupt after the Napoleonic Wars nearly 200 years ago. The people were incorporated into an enterprise devised by the banking elite to keep them in power forever without the peoples knowledge. America suffered the same fate after the Great Depression. FDR sold the American people to the bankers.

Nations do not exist. The world is a business. It's just a business.

Endof and amen.

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Correct time for an independent England again.

England is just a figment of your imagination

It's long gone

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Nations are mere farms. They are corporations run for profit with the willing labour of their respective populations, nothing more.

Nation states died a long time ago. We are here to make money for a few people.

Globalisation is just a means for the sociopaths who run things to make the system easier to manage. It's a "tidying up" exercise

Britain was made bankrupt after the Napoleonic Wars nearly 200 years ago. The people were incorporated into an enterprise devised by the banking elite to keep them in power forever without the peoples knowledge. America suffered the same fate after the Great Depression. FDR sold the American people to the bankers.

Nations do not exist. The world is a business. It's just a business.

Endof and amen.

Agreed.

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The fate of the British Empire was sealed when the Irish Free State was set up in 1922. The message to the rest of the British Empire was that if the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (as it was then) couldn't even hold itself together, the idea of independence for the 'colonies' wasn't too far-fetched. The biggest exit from the British Empire was India in 1948. Most of the British possessions were gone by 1970. The Empire became the Commonwealth, with countries like Canada, Australia and New Zealand keeping the British monarch as head of state because their populations were largely of British ancestry.

The UK joined the Common Market, predecessor of the European Union, in 1973. We had tried to join before but entry had been vetoed by French president De Gaulle, despite the fact that Winston Churchill was one of the founders of the European movement.

So joining the EU didn't cause us to lose our empire, it was long-gone by 1973.

The way out of our current problems, if there is a way, is to get back to inventing, designing, making and selling things that improve peoples' lives - oh, and joining the euro might help too, when the conditions are right.

I know we lost the empire way before the EU.

What I am saying is how we have been "great" without the EU before.

As you say the way to sort our problems is to get back to inventing, designing and making things.

But surely paying the £billions to the EU every year isn't gonna help?

I say have a free market and freedom of movement for Western European nations, and leave it at that.

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What I think is sad is that so many people see the way of fixing the faults that admittedly exist in the institution of the European Union either by the UK leaving it or by abolishing the whole thing.

As a supporter of the EU, I advocate fixing the problems and adapting the union to meet future challenges - removing some of the bureaucracy, making it more democratic and reducing the cost. But I still think we should join the eurozone and that there can be closer European co-operation on matters on trans-national matters like the environment, energy policies, human rights (sensible ones, not votes for criminals, I mean)

What I am saying is how we have been "great" without the EU before.
France and Spain had empires before the EU too, and, well, as for Germany - we all know where that led. Edited by Hyperduck Quack Quack

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I've just read my posts and it looks like I have correctly differentiated europeans and the EU (european union of 27 nations). Europeanes is a characateristic of the whole of europe. The EU is bound by treaty and the EURO zone is another matter.

As for lack of accountability - thats plain wrong - do you know how the Monet principles are applied? Member states are all represented and the EU only makes transnational directives - as an engineer i work with many of them and most make a lot of sense.

As has already been pointed out in this thread, in spades, you appear to be conflating Europe with the EU and using the terms interchangeably which is, whether intentional or not, a deceit

I haven't seen much criticism of 'Europe' on this thread but a heck of a lot criticism directed at the EU. Given the elitist, unaccountable nature of the EU project it deserves every scrap of abuse that it gets imho

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I've just read my posts and it looks like I have correctly differentiated europeans and the EU (european union of 27 nations). Europeanes is a characateristic of the whole of europe. The EU is bound by treaty and the EURO zone is another matter.

Likewise most of Britains trade is with the EU

Britain does not trade with the EU

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What I think is sad is that so many people see the way of fixing the faults that admittedly exist in the institution of the European Union either by the UK leaving it or by abolishing the whole thing.

As a supporter of the EU, I advocate fixing the problems and adapting the union to meet future challenges - removing some of the bureaucracy, making it more democratic and reducing the cost. But I still think we should join the eurozone and that there can be closer European co-operation on matters on trans-national matters like the environment, energy policies, human rights (sensible ones, not votes for criminals, I mean)

France and Spain had empires before the EU too, and, well, as for Germany - we all know where that led.

What you're describing strikes me as being best served by agency that facilitates co-operation between democratically elected states. The EU is not that agency. It is an additional layer of government which is attempting to assume primacy and impose its will over the governments of member states. The EU's shameless behaviour in the matter of the constitutional referenda illustrates this.

Edited by Charlton Peston

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http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2011/03/britain_and_eu

This article is an outstanding summary of the dilemma facing an increasingly xenophobic Britain. As a europhile I am disappointed to see Brits galvanize around the Alf Grarnet politics of those who find europe 'nauseating'. The stakes however are high. I have speculated here for the past couple of years that the EU will consolidate and drive further economic and fiscal harmonization. When that happens the EU will get stronger, the EURO will recover and get stronger. Britain will then be faced with growing reluctance to include them in policy-making and economic development.

Of course, there are those who think the UK will somehow be free to increase ties and harmonization with the USA. Good luck to you. If you think the USA is looking out for anyone other than Gods Country then they are seriously mistaken - the US Air Force Tanker contract and recent debacle over the F35 Joint Srike fighter show how any US - UK pact would work. Moreover, the USA is bankrupt just like the UK and there are growing signs that the country will look like India in 25 years.

Eurasia knows that Wall St and The City cheated the world with toxic securities. There are clear signs the China and Russia have decided to align with Europe - statements saying as much have been made by Wen Jiao and recent decisions by Russia to sell oil in non-dollar currencies shows how they see an opportunity. If I was a betting man i would bet that the UK will be forced to exit the EUs top tier with serious consequences for trade and development. You get what you deserve in the end but sadly the youth of Britain are brainwashed by vested interests in the press - oddly you are all able to see how VIs poisoned Britains housiong market and yet you are blind to those with a vested interest in maintaining governance of britain. What other country in europe is polluted by a Royal Family (aka scrounging, high cost, sub average intelligence, embarrasment).

Britain belongs to the young and its time for them to learn and be politically active.

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Good Post - I have never understood the UK/Conservative mindset where they oppose any influence or connection with Europe - I guess its harking back to British Empire where they don't want to ruled by Europe. They oppose everything European for some reason.

But then on the other hand - there are American Airbases all over the UK, we followed them into Iraq against popular opinion, The UK Nuclear weapon are controlled/ produced by the US, and other techology the UK would not have without close connections with US.

The problem is to see the average anti european conservative who complains about influence in Europe, but then on the other hand is happy to have US airbases all over the country - can you imagine if there were french airbases in the UK.

Surely it makes sense for the UK to work as equal partner with the french and germans rather than hoping the US will give them technology.

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Britain was made bankrupt after the Napoleonic Wars nearly 200 years ago. The people were incorporated into an enterprise devised by the banking elite to keep them in power forever without the peoples knowledge. America suffered the same fate after the Great Depression. FDR sold the American people to the bankers.

Woodrow Wilson was the guy who established the Federal Reserve and helped to steer the US economy towards the Great Depression. FDR was a relative progressive in comparison and he died before he could put into motion public healthcare (and the like).

Nations do not exist. The world is a business. It's just a business.

Nation states have been horribly subverted and Globalization is a scam for cheap labour, but perhaps the real death knell has been sounded for the international corporations and banks themselves, they're doomed in the medium to long run by sucking the lower classes dry and thus undermining their sustainability. Corporate and banking executives are (through their reckless avarace) erecting their own scaffolding, knotting their own rope. Can Wall Street, the Federal Reserve, or Google repel a convoy of M1 Abrams? 2011 seems to be the the start of growing global anarchy and the path towards the re-establishment of xenophobic, insular nation states.

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Woodrow Wilson was the guy who established the Federal Reserve and helped to steer the US economy towards the Great Depression. FDR was a relative progressive in comparison and he died before he could put into motion public healthcare (and the like).

I suspect the original poster was referring to FDR's 1935 Social Security Act

The narrative told by some US libertarians has it that the US was bankrupted as a result of the creation of the Federal Reserve and the citizens of the US were subsequently securitized and turned over to the Fed's owners to pay for the debt by FDR in 1935

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Woodrow Wilson was the guy who established the Federal Reserve and helped to steer the US economy towards the Great Depression. FDR was a relative progressive in comparison and he died before he could put into motion public healthcare (and the like).

FDR was just as close to the banksters as Wilson was.

In fact, FDR's uncle Frederic A. Delano even sat as a governor on the original Federal Reserve Board in 1914.

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The European Union as a free trade area, like we signed up to? Fantastic. The EU as an additional, ludicrously expensive and corrupt layer of bureaucracy with designs upon a single government for Europe? No thanks.

I'm anti-EU in its present form, but not anti-European, which is what I think you'll find that most people are.

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Given the choice between bailing out the banks or siding with the people the EU have chosen the banks- they will happily bleed the population of europe dry to make sure no bondholder loses a hair on their golden head.

So just another elite with their snouts in the trough- despite all that fancy rhetoric.

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FDR was just as close to the banksters as Wilson was.

In fact, FDR's uncle Frederic A. Delano even sat as a governor on the original Federal Reserve Board in 1914.

Go back one more generation and you're into the origins of the family fortune made in the opium trade

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I'm not opposed to the EU on principle, it's its member states and MEPs who have failed.

They're powerful and have expanded very far, but all these corpoations and banks reached their limits in 2008 and are now slowly growing in irrelevance. They're not really in total control despite the arrogant pontificating from plutocrats like Arthur Jensen from Network who's real-life counterparts have painted themselves into a corner by sucking whole nations dry and alienating hundreds of millions of people. They're outnumbered and not bullet proof.

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I know we lost the empire way before the EU.

What I am saying is how we have been "great" without the EU before.

As you say the way to sort our problems is to get back to inventing, designing and making things.

But surely paying the £billions to the EU every year isn't gonna help?

I say have a free market and freedom of movement for Western European nations, and leave it at that.

The thing is that inventing, designing and making things is a lot more profitable and hence doable when you are part of a large single market. Which is what the EU is. If we weren't in the EU, we'd still have to follow its directives if we wanted to sell our products. But we wouldn't have any say in drafting those directives. It'd be government by fax, as they say in Norway.

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I'ma europhile, I have a great fondness for many european countries. I just don't want to be governed by some hideous beaurocratic edifice spawned from all theworst parts of it..... and neither do most of the people in the rest of europe.

I am also a great admirer of the US, and many commonwealth countries... and I still think we have more in common with these nations than we do with France, Italy or Greece for example.

It is typical of the pro-EU zealots to try and equate the above sentiment with some sort of fabricated hatred or racism. Unfortunately they generally succeed.

+1. Well said.

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England is just a figment of your imagination

It's long gone

Of course England exists. It's the no1 cash cow for Rupert (Europe hater) Murdoch.

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