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The NHS needs a good kick up the ****. I see outrageous waste on a regular basis and no-one is ever held responsible. It's a plaything for medical professionals in the UK who rule the roost and no-one ever challenges them. It's no more efficient than your local council or any other part of the public sector. I've seen plenty of private hospitals which are cleaner, more modern and more efficient. You get treated like a customer, with respect, and much faster than in NHS hospitals. And you get seen by the same consultant as you would under the NHS so the argument of substandard care is ********.

The NHS should be there for energency treatments and assessments only. The routine stuff should be done by the private sector.

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The NHS needs a good kick up the ****. I see outrageous waste on a regular basis and no-one is ever held responsible. It's a plaything for medical professionals in the UK who rule the roost and no-one ever challenges them. It's no more efficient than your local council or any other part of the public sector. I've seen plenty of private hospitals which are cleaner, more modern and more efficient. You get treated like a customer, with respect, and much faster than in NHS hospitals. And you get seen by the same consultant as you would under the NHS so the argument of substandard care is ********.

The NHS should be there for energency treatments and assessments only. The routine stuff should be done by the private sector.

Really??. My relative was butchered by a private surgeon and the NHS had to put it right.(well sort of repair the mess). They were appalled at the incompetence of a LARGE private organisation.

I partly agreed with you until I read the last line.

My view, public sector has a number of incompetents and some are workshy, there is bureaucracy, but the private sector also has a fair share of dangerous, overbearing lying, immoral wa**kers. BOTH are a cross section of society.

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If we are going to have a system of extortion I can think of worse ways for it to be spent than on the NHS.

Banker bonuses for one.

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If we are going to have a system of extortion I can think of worse ways for it to be spent than on the NHS.

Banker bonuses for one.

Too easy

Can you think of better ways for it to be spent?

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The NHS has its problems. But would you seriously trust an insurance company to cough up when you needed them to?

Having these scumbag insurance companies shaft me every year for the sake of driving my car is bad enough, so I would ABSOLUTELY do what I could to stop scum insurance companies from having an input on my health

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F the NHS.

What an obscene waste of money it is.

Factually inaccurate

Go to the world bank website and look at per capita spend on health care, then compare against life expectancy

Countries like America that have private systems deliver the worst outcomes in terms of value for money

It's not even close

Compare Poland against USA

You would be shocked Mr Daily Mail

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F the NHS.

What an obscene waste of money it is.

Meh.

I am captain free marketeer but when it comes to wasting cash i'd rather have them throw billions at healthcare than war, thousand pound a foot wallpaper and banks.

And if you think the NHS will get dismantled and then you will get lower taxes you are smoking crack.

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If anyone thinks the reforms are free market driven by patient choice, they're smoking crack

The new set of targets announced yesterday are about reducing referral rates to specialists. GP consortia will probably end up micromanaged by the NHS board as much as PCTs are by StHAs today. There are huge cuts coming in London (£60m from 5 borough hospitals alone). And the White Paper is about enabling crony capitalists to profit while quality dives and services are cut. This is a far worse outcome than a 'socialised' healthcare system

The nursing catastrophes at hospitals during the last decade (like mid-Staffs, Maidstone) came about through trying to create a market around targets (rather that a proper market where money follows the patient who exercises meaningful choice from among competing providers). They also came about through centralised efficiency drives that prevent the sort of surplus of providers required to make competition work. Much of that was identical to what's happening now

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Injin is correct.

Though the wife (Sister on a ward) regularlyshocks me with the stupifying, selfish actions of quite a few working for the NHS - the same head in the trough mentality but scaled back as the bangsters and plutocratic plaything politicans.

Not everyone but many have been consumed by Blair's aspirational selfishness in the public sector - they are not public servants anymore but public expectants.

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I am captain free marketeer but when it comes to wasting cash i'd rather have them throw billions at healthcare than war, thousand pound a foot wallpaper and banks.

Me too.

If the NHS provided healthcare when it was needed, then I wouldn't begrudge it a few quid. Same applies to an army or an investment bank.

I do begrudge being forced to pay into a lottery when my own experience shows it's NOT there when I need it. On that measure, the banks provide a 100% better service than the NHS.

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The NHS has its problems. But would you seriously trust an insurance company to cough up when you needed them to?

Having these scumbag insurance companies shaft me every year for the sake of driving my car is bad enough, so I would ABSOLUTELY do what I could to stop scum insurance companies from having an input on my health

There are options other than NHS or fully private.

You could have a semi-public system such that your insurer of choice (which could be a publicly owned body) would have to pay if the medical opinion was such that you needed treatment. Most hospitals would be run as somewhat competing not-for-profit trusts (in the way that schools "compete" for pupils).

The above is I believe pretty much what the Conservatives proposed as their "NHS" after WWII. On paper it has some advantages over the current system.

Edited by the shaping machine

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NHS Expenditure 1997.........£35 Billion

NHS Expenditure 2010........£110 billion

Average wage 1997........£16k

Average wage 2010.........£24k

But lets not allow facts to get in the way of a good argument.

Theres a lot of things to worry about here, the NHS becoming an all encompassing monster taking over the entire economy, the fact NHS spending has outpaced wage growth 6 to 1, and the economy collapsing under its weight, but the NHS dissapearing isnt one of them.

I'd rather a 'cut back' (yeah, right, chance would be a fine thing) NHS than no NHS at all, due to money printing resulting in the pound being so weak we cant buy drugs with our worthless currency.

Dont see the relevance of injins bank vs. NHS argument. Two wrongs dont make a right. We need a smaller NHS and no banks. Its not either or.

NHS spending should be 1997 + 50% (ie about £55 billion) plus maybe 10% to pay for an ageing population, maybe another 10% in ten years time.

Theres no excuse for spending more than £60 billion a year on the NHS at present.

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The NHS has its problems. But would you seriously trust an insurance company to cough up when you needed them to?

Having these scumbag insurance companies shaft me every year for the sake of driving my car is bad enough, so I would ABSOLUTELY do what I could to stop scum insurance companies from having an input on my health

Yes, insurance is the real debate here, rather than the healthcare provider. I personally would prefer to see a European style system with private insurance, but where doctors decide treatment and the companies must cough up for it, rather than the American system of insurance companies deciding your treatment.

We keep hearing "the nhs is great, the nhs is great" but no one seems to question this. Although it is great in some respects, if you have a car crash sure, but for some chronic ongoing problems it's sometimes "worse than useless".

Edited by Britney's Piers

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I am all for a national health service.....but I am not for a wasteful national health service.

The waste is unbelievable and needs to be put right.....tax payers hard earned money is being washed down the plug hole......I 'touch wood' have been lucky enough so far not to have had to use them that much, but from what people have told me, and the little I have seen about the way the money that is allocated to them is used and not respected in the best economic way that gives the best service and value has to be addressed urgently imo.

eg: Some crutches given to use whilst recovering from an operation, nobody asked for them back there was no monitoring of any kind for them to be handed back to be reused.

People making and then not turning up for appointments or cancelling in good time....they should be charged for wasting time so stopping others from using that wasted time and resources.

People on holiday in Uk from outside EU with travel insurance having an accident and using the NHS A&E no one interested in chasing and claiming back the money from that insurance policy.

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Meh.

I am captain free marketeer but when it comes to wasting cash i'd rather have them throw billions at healthcare than war, thousand pound a foot wallpaper and banks.

And if you think the NHS will get dismantled and then you will get lower taxes you are smoking crack.

I agree but no more sticky plasters or managers are going to fix the fk up that is our nhs. It needs to be rethought and rebuilt from the ground up and that wont happen unless it completely falls apart so....like he said.....fk the nhs.

I must admit though, it is difficult to find things much better to spend the cash on.

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+1

The choice is pretty simple atm - you can either have sky high taxes and an NHS or sky high taxes and no NHS.

The sky high taxes aren't in question. Anyone who thinks they'll be better off with no NHS in this equation needs their bumps felt.

If the option of lower taxes and no/less NHS was on the table, that would be great, but it isn't.

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The choice is pretty simple atm - you can either have sky high taxes and an NHS or sky high taxes and no NHS.

The sky high taxes aren't in question. Anyone who thinks they'll be better off with no NHS in this equation needs their bumps felt.

If the option of lower taxes and no/less NHS was on the table, that would be great, but it isn't.

I agree and already qualified the +1 post above :)

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I agree but no more sticky plasters or managers are going to fix the fk up that is our nhs. It needs to be rethought and rebuilt from the ground up and that wont happen unless it completely falls apart so....like he said.....fk the nhs.

I must admit though, it is difficult to find things much better to spend the cash on.

Also agree - but i'd much rather that pre collapse the mass extortion ring was spending the cash on making sure I live in a world free of typhoid than on Fred the shred's shagging pads or whatever.

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Factually inaccurate

Go to the world bank website and look at per capita spend on health care, then compare against life expectancy

Cancer survival rate would be a better comparison. Life expectancy depends more on a healthy eating and lifestyle than exceptional health care.

UK spending on health care is more than 172 'countries' (e.g. Japan) and less than 18 'countries' on the work bank website.

Cancer survival rates in the UK have been "amongst the worst in the developed world".

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I am all for a national health service.....but I am not for a wasteful national health service.

The waste is unbelievable and needs to be put right.....tax payers hard earned money is being washed down the plug hole......I 'touch wood' have been lucky enough so far not to have had to use them that much, but from what people have told me, and the little I have seen about the way the money that is allocated to them is used and not respected in the best economic way that gives the best service and value has to be addressed urgently imo.

eg: Some crutches given to use whilst recovering from an operation, nobody asked for them back there was no monitoring of any kind for them to be handed back to be reused.

People making and then not turning up for appointments or cancelling in good time....they should be charged for wasting time so stopping others from using that wasted time and resources.

People on holiday in Uk from outside EU with travel insurance having an accident and using the NHS A&E no one interested in chasing and claiming back the money from that insurance policy.

+ 1

A few years back the NHS saved my life when they called a team in on a Friday night and gave me an emergency operation.

On the other side of the coin I have seen the waste and the hopless state of the care for the old people in what I would call the dying wards. They just seem to be left to rot in their final days .

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The choice is pretty simple atm - you can either have sky high taxes and an NHS or sky high taxes and no NHS.

The sky high taxes aren't in question. Anyone who thinks they'll be better off with no NHS in this equation needs their bumps felt.

If the option of lower taxes and no/less NHS was on the table, that would be great, but it isn't.

Wouldn't it be good if we could have a healthy, well run, efficient, NHS instead of a wasteful sick one.......I agree with saving our NHS it is one of the best reasons for living in the UK it should be saved at all costs...but it needs to be managed better so more of us can then benefit from it for less outlay. ;)

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And if you think the NHS will get dismantled and then you will get lower taxes you are smoking crack.

^^^^ This, we will never pay less in Tax, as may had said, the gov will need to waste/spend our money on someting and I would rather see it spent ont he NHS than anything else.

Yep there can be a bit of a wait but they have always come through for me when I needed them

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