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Seems to be a popular media revolt recently against expensive houses:

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Lately, every time I turn on the TV, I feel like I'm stepping into a parallel world. If I'm not stumbling across rustic Cotswolds farm houses on Escape to the Country (BBC2), I'm watching couples judge each other on the basis of their homes on ITV1's May the Best House Win. Then there's Homes Under the Hammer (BBC1), To Buy or Not to Buy (BBC2), and of course Channel 4's Relocation, Relocation, not to mention its Australian spin-off, Relocation: Phil Down Under. And that's just the terrestrial channels.

Not long after watching yet another affluent couple decide which luxurious home they'll choose to buy, I start feeling a little sad. That's because, like many people my age, my chances of owning even a bog-standard semi to call my own any time soon are looking very slim indeed. So when I see fussy house hunters complaining of minor flaws in the decor of a bathroom bigger than my living room, I feel like TV executives are playing a sick joke on us.

House hunt shows crashed onto our screens during a decade-long boom when house prices doubled, putting home ownership out of the reach of a generation. The boom couldn't last, and many who bought during that time are now struggling to pay the money back.

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Seems to be a popular media revolt recently against expensive houses:

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What the hell are Phil and Kirsty for, any way? Any fool can find a few houses on the net, and theyclearly can't negotiate - In this week's episode, they managed to get the price down from £450k to £440. That's about 2% on a property that had beeen on the market for two years. Two years! Who the hell would hire these people?

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What the hell are Phil and Kirsty for, any way? Any fool can find a few houses on the net, and theyclearly can't negotiate - In this week's episode, they managed to get the price down from £450k to £440. That's about 2% on a property that had beeen on the market for two years. Two years! Who the hell would hire these people?

The sellers ?

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Seems to be a popular media revolt recently against expensive houses:

Grauniad

I guess as more young journalists start coming through the ranks, the strength of support on our side will increase.

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The comments all seem to be pro-HPC as well. :ph34r:

I also wonder where these people get their budgets. The last P&K was a couple moving from rented to a 450K country house plus a 250K London investment flat.

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The comments all seem to be pro-HPC as well. :ph34r:

I also wonder where these people get their budgets. The last P&K was a couple moving from rented to a 450K country house plus a 250K London investment flat.

Thought that too. Only managed to watch a few minutes before I had to turn over.

Interesting selection they have on these programmes these days. All seem to have a fortune to spend, money seems no option, and an 'investment flat' seems to be the name of the game for a number of them as well.

These are clearly the only people that want to be seen on a programme like this these days. 3 years ago it would be a couple looking for a terraced house with a budget of 150k. Now these couples are either not interested in buying - or are but don't want it paraded all over the TV.

Huge change in sentiment already taken place. The market is just taking it's time to catch up.

The denial is strong. Very strong. Much stronger than I would have imagined. However it is doomed to failure. Denial always results in failure.

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Oh god another one of them just blamed thatcher for this property mess, that paper is making me crazy. I'm starting to think that maybe thatcher has the power of gray skull and she can make everything alright.

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What the hell are Phil and Kirsty for, any way? Any fool can find a few houses on the net, and theyclearly can't negotiate - In this week's episode, they managed to get the price down from £450k to £440. That's about 2% on a property that had beeen on the market for two years. Two years! Who the hell would hire these people?

That house has been kicking around for a very long time, let alone the admitted two years. It is still way over priced, in a pleasant area where you must drive everywhere to get to anything. Just a few miles west and the prices get cheaper very rapidly. Those period properties of such a great age have to bought with caution. The repairs could be a nightmare.

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Well, it's all rather old hat. I remeber posting screen caps on this site of TV schedules yonks ago, pointing out how it was possible to while wawy an entire day, hoping from one prop prog to another.

Things have actually improved since 2008 in that now we haveCountry House Rescue.

Here, for those not too smug or brainwashed (probably none of the regular prog viewers, granted) is the largest ever clue given to those seeking the truth about property. Unlike the majority of property porn, which portrays owner-occupation as the finish post of financial endeavour, it shows ownership is merely the start of yet another travail.

Much like Property Ladder, here is a program that shows the expense of maintaining bricks and mortar. But where Beeny's offering finessed the struggles by depicting only the (uplifting) restorative process, CHR makes it clear that even our grandest houses are decaying all the time. And where Property Ladder highlighted the money to be made from buying property in disrepair, CHR shows the money to be lost as as propery drifts back into disrepair. For those willing to open their eyes the message is clear: houses cost money, not, just to buy, but to maintain, and the larger the house, the bigger the costs.

.... and yet I bet the majority of the country still believe if they owned a mansion they'd be more or less made.

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I also wonder where these people get their budgets. The last P&K was a couple moving from rented to a 450K country house plus a 250K London investment flat.

And they were ******ing HR people! The most frequent question I always have is where did they get the money.

Notice the date though, the house (Kent Cottage) they rejected (at 460k) was sold a month later, acc.to the land registry, for 430k.

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This is how it usually goes for me:

Me:"lets watch [insert name of property porn programme]"

mrs ST: "OK"

Me: "What! - they have a budget of £450K and he is a carpenter!!! - why the f did i bother getting a degree and a 'career'?"

mrs ST: "stop getting wound up all the time"

Me: "I hope they die"

mrs ST: "why the f did i marry you?"

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Oh god another one of them just blamed thatcher for this property mess, that paper is making me crazy. I'm starting to think that maybe thatcher has the power of gray skull and she can make everything alright.

I suspect Thatcher is the equivalent of the nazis for the Guardian readers. So any thread on there can satisfy Godwin's Law by a simple scapegoat reference to Thatcher :P

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Don't worry folks, Phil is down under, where the bubble is yet to burst. On TV right now, he is pointing out it is one of the most expensive places to buy, with average houses costing 8X average earnings.

So what is this pwoperdee guru doing? Adivising people how to 'invest' in property there :rolleyes:

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Well, it's all rather old hat. I remeber posting screen caps on this site of TV schedules yonks ago, pointing out how it was possible to while wawy an entire day, hoping from one prop prog to another.

Things have actually improved since 2008 in that now we haveCountry House Rescue.

Here, for those not too smug or brainwashed (probably none of the regular prog viewers, granted) is the largest ever clue given to those seeking the truth about property. Unlike the majority of property porn, which portrays owner-occupation as the finish post of financial endeavour, it shows ownership is merely the start of yet another travail.

Much like Property Ladder, here is a program that shows the expense of maintaining bricks and mortar. But where Beeny's offering finessed the struggles by depicting only the (uplifting) restorative process, CHR makes it clear that even our grandest houses are decaying all the time. And where Property Ladder highlighted the money to be made from buying property in disrepair, CHR shows the money to be lost as as propery drifts back into disrepair. For those willing to open their eyes the message is clear: houses cost money, not, just to buy, but to maintain, and the larger the house, the bigger the costs.

.... and yet I bet the majority of the country still believe if they owned a mansion they'd be more or less made.

Beeney said in an interview she would sell that house now if she could.

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I was watching Kirsty and Phil the other night (thanks, girlfriend) and it struck me that they are trying rather too hard to have little one-twos between them, ie hope that making it entertaining will mask the dire state of the housing market.

True to form, Kirsty's negotiation skills shone through as she got the couple the house for... their absolute maximum budget.

The place had been on the market for 2 years. :rolleyes:

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This is how it usually goes for me:

Me:"lets watch [insert name of property porn programme]"

mrs ST: "OK"

Me: "What! - they have a budget of £450K and he is a carpenter!!! - why the f did i bother getting a degree and a 'career'?"

mrs ST: "stop getting wound up all the time"

Me: "I hope they die"

mrs ST: "why the f did i marry you?"

LMAO!!!!!!!! Sounds exactly like me! I saw a similar couple on a show once who had a budget of £1m..............!?!?!?!!?

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Oh god another one of them just blamed thatcher for this property mess, that paper is making me crazy. I'm starting to think that maybe thatcher has the power of gray skull and she can make everything alright.

Thatcher created an environment that gave the green light to those who wanted to make money from making money and the red light to those who wanted to earn an honest living. Every government since 1979 has followed this agenda which is why you have a country that is like it is today. It's ironic that it seems that it will take a tory lead government to undo the mess they created 30 years ago.

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.... and yet I bet the majority of the country still believe if they owned had a huge debt on a mansion they'd be more or less made.

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On the last P&K the Aussie(?) blonde Celeste Halliday is ex Assistant CEO of Turning Point so maybe had a decent(?) income from the charity sector

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Thatcher created an environment that gave the green light to those who wanted to make money from making money and the red light to those who wanted to earn an honest living. Every government since 1979 has followed this agenda which is why you have a country that is like it is today. It's ironic that it seems that it will take a tory lead government to undo the mess they created 30 years ago.

I'm too young but wow, the 1970s must have been great. I guess if all these state owned businesses that were bleeding money had been kept open and the unions left as they were we would be like Germany now?

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This is how it usually goes for me:

Me:"lets watch [insert name of property porn programme]"

mrs ST: "OK"

Me: "What! - they have a budget of £450K and he is a carpenter!!! - why the f did i bother getting a degree and a 'career'?"

mrs ST: "stop getting wound up all the time"

Me: "I hope they die"

mrs ST: "why the f did i marry you?"

A bit harsh towards carpenters dont you think, if the carpenter you mentioned was middle aged or above then chances are they served a 5 to 6 year apprentiship at the start of their career, yes being a carpenter is a career, apprentice, to tradesman, to site supervisor, to site manager, to contracts manager, to projects manager and all the way up to the MD of large building firms. Thats the general route if you want to go all the way to the top in the building game.

Its a very sad state of affairs when a man or woman who works in every type of bad weather and works in probably the most dangerous industry there is can be perceived not to be in a career. Could you imagine working this past january in temperatures around minus ten all day long whilst having to make decisions that could cost thousands upon thousands of pounds to fix if got wrong (its not easy to think straight when you are in physical pain from being so cold and wet) and then add to that the fact that you are surrounded by life threatening machinery and situations that could end youre so called career in an instant.

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This is how it usually goes for me:

Me:"lets watch [insert name of property porn programme]"

mrs ST: "OK"

Me: "What! - they have a budget of £450K and he is a carpenter!!! - why the f did i bother getting a degree and a 'career'?"

mrs ST: "stop getting wound up all the time"

Me: "I hope they die"

mrs ST: "why the f did i marry you?"

So bloody true!

Where did they money come from, oh hang on a minute haven't we just lost £5k over the last couple of years in lost interest on our savings!

A couple we know, about 15 - 20 years older really nice couple, if the wife is a little harrogate aspirational, he is a self employed, one man band carpenter and the wife is a special needs teacher. Kids at Edinburgh University doing 5+ year courses supported by them have just flogged their house for £560k and pocketed the best part of £80k moving into a nice £460k cottage.

Me and her indoors flog our guts out working 50hr weeks, into our thirties desperate to have kids, renting and saving like nutters to not even get a whiff of their fortunes and work life balances. The UK is an utter con job, just a shame too few my age and younger see it. Aspirational *****ers.

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What the hell are Phil and Kirsty for, any way? Any fool can find a few houses on the net, and theyclearly can't negotiate - In this week's episode, they managed to get the price down from £450k to £440. That's about 2% on a property that had beeen on the market for two years. Two years! Who the hell would hire these people?

Actually, they got the extra piece of land that was on sale separately for 50K included in the price, so I don't think that they did too badly in this respect

tim

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And they were ******ing HR people!

No, no, no.

They were HR EXECUTIVES! (both working for the same company)

What sort of company is it that needs two HR excs?

tim

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