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Welcome to the real world.... This has been happening in the IT business for the last 3-4 years. Only now, when permanent staff are losing their jobs is more noise being made.

Guess this is where the deflation is starting to hit home. UK staff are going to take jobs for less money rather than have no job at all, the knock on effects to the economy will slowly filter through and , thankfully, be another nail in the over inflated house price bubble.

Look after number 1 kiddies, Tone and his crew couldn't give one.....

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'it's an efficiency drive and not a cost saving measure'.-is it me or are they both the same thing? Can you give us a small hint to which company it is so we can short them how much?

..it's a large US IT manufacturer/services company..

..they are phone based jobs that were already 'outsourced' a few years ago from an in-house operation to a UK call centre... but because we deal with the people involved daily we have built up a working relationship with them even though they don't really work for the same company...

..funny thing is i remember the original outsourcing and the feeling then was that this was an interim step for a move to india.. <_<

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I dont necessarily think it is a bad idea for some of these jobs to go. Most of them are for the brain dead. Can you imagine talking to joe public in a call centre all day long.

We need to be more creative. Go and re-train, do a degree in something fantastic, the UK needs to re-invent itself.

Sadly, most people are too stuck in their ways, and a intrenched in the attitude that the world owes them a living.

I have had 3 careers already and I am only 36. I plan my 4th as we speak.

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you can't really call them a career if you've only spent a couple of years, if that, doing them.

Fair point, but they overlap, so I suppose it is more of an evolution.

It is dangerous to totally do something completely new, but exciting. My 4th wont start until I am 50 and then I may change my mind. Basically when I am finanically secure I want to transfer my knowledge to the next generation either as a colleage or maybe a univeristy lecturer. (Yes I know I can't spell)

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Crazy88s,

It is creeping up the food chain. a lot of the tech jobs that have been outsourceed have not been low level at all. If it can be done primarily on a computer and a telephone line it can be outsourced. - Legagl services, accountancy, business functions, so medical analysis/support functions, remote security montioring etc etc - the list is very long.

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what industry IS safe then?????????????????????

In truth there are non. I am not immune. My company does a lot of work the the Automotive industry. At least 60% is export. My only hope is that my partners and I can make enough to get out in the not too distant future. We have never borrowed a penny. That is the key to a viable business. I wont go into BTL because of a) I couldnt live with myself - probably could make money at it though, B) However good you think you have the angles covered I hate the risk of borrowing money.

But wrt to the subject of this site I think phychartrists, counsellors, debt collection agencies, etc will do very well out of what is about to happen.

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what industry IS safe then?????????????????????

I dont think anything is safe from outsourcing anymore.

I work In IT as developer and I give it 2/3 years before our jobs are done elsewhere. We reaped the salary wind of Y2K but I think our IT arses are going to get bitten Biiiig because of it . Oh well , Fries with that anyone ...?

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<I>what industry IS safe then????????????????????? </i>

Trades and hands on services, also the upper management strata will not offshore their own jobs, even though those can be done cheaper elsewhere - unless of course the shareholders start flexing their muscles very vigorously.

Trades in particular though are susceptible to low wage economic migrant worker competition - as the work dries up it won't be long until this becomes an issue and appears in the papers IMHO.

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<I>what industry IS safe then????????????????????? </i>

Trades and hands on services, also the upper management strata will not offshore their own jobs, even though those can be done cheaper elsewhere - unless of course the shareholders start flexing their muscles very vigorously.

Trades in particular though are susceptible to low wage economic migrant worker competition - as the work dries up it won't be long until this becomes an issue and appears in the papers IMHO.

Though bear in mind that many Eastern European citizens now high a right to work in the UK, they have a high degree of skilled manual workers so the shortage of skilled trades people may not last for long.....

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It's already happening Only Me. A builder friend of my uncle has had to take early retirement because he can no longer compete with the rock-botton prices the Poles are charging. Effectively, they're undercutting him. I would have thought teaching and public sector work cannot be outsourced(or will not be).

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All British Jobs are to be outsourced courtesy of Tony Blair who along with Pat Hewitt gave British Taxpayers money to call centres and IT companies in Bangalore. In fact, Hewitt a couple of months ago attended the opening of a new office in Bangalire offering IT services, expensed by the UK taxpayer and in the same week 2,000 in the UK lost their jobs to that very centre.

You may well ask why do this government who were elected by the British Public, to serve the British Public continue to work against the British Public.

The answer is simple, its the third way, Socialism.

Its the divide and rule politics, create some chaos and you can have people running around chasing their tails whilst you work your sinister plan.

India is being sold weapons by the UK government, and as such India has to have money to pay for them. What better than to throw them a few million british jobs, and further your ideals of socialism in Europe at the same time.

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The answer is simple, its the third way, Socialism.

What makes you think this government is Socialist.

New Labour = The rich elite, how many ordinary people are in government.

Let the peasants eat cake, their moral corruption is beyond belief.

The fallen heros of this country must be turning in their graves. :angry:

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Thick as thieves, the lot of em.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3293241.stm

Job transfer 'helps economy' - Hain

Hain could face a backlash following his comments Welsh secretary Peter Hain has said that companies which transfer call centre jobs to Asia are helping the British economy.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/unions/stor...1101269,00.html

Hewitt angers unions with call centre 'myths' claim

Jill Treanor

Saturday December 6, 2003

The Guardian

Patricia Hewitt provoked anger from unions yesterday after announcing a study into the outflow of British call centre jobs abroad, which she said was surrounded by "myths".

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2509040

Brown under Fire over Financial Jobs Exodus

By James Lyons, Political Correspondent, PA News

Chancellor Gordon Brown was today accused of doing nothing to stop financial firms moving jobs abroad.

A “crackpot†rule hands tax breaks to banks and other institutions who outsource to foreign countries, Tories said.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1048113,00.html

Blair backs export of call-centre jobs to India

By Philip Webster, Political Editor

TONY BLAIR called for the defeat of the “resurgent voices of protectionism†yesterday as he admitted that new Labour had adopted economic rules that were once the province of the Right.

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Is this what "moving up the food chain" means?

'WASHINGTON (AFX) -- The new jobs being created in the U.S. economy pay less than the old ones being eliminated, an economist at the University of California at Berkeley said Monday

New research on government wage data show that job categories with lots of new openings pay about $1.90 less an hour than job categories with lots of layoffs, according to Arindrajit Dube of Berkeley's Institute of Industrial Relations. "We find that growing jobs have paid about 10 percent to 12 percent lower than shrinking jobs" over the past year and over the past three and a half years, Dube said. The largest group of growing jobs paid about $9 an hour, and were "typically composed of service occupations in health services and hospitality industries," the economist added. The largest group of shrinking jobs paid between $12 and $15 an hour, and were "typically represented by production workers in electronics and machinery manufacturing, as well as administrative workers in industries such as telecommunications or professional and technical services." The debate over the quality of jobs has been a minor but contentious issue in the presidential campaign'

http://www.fxstreet.com/nou/noticies/afx/n...-9e32d306-43935

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