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http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/8899784.Benefits__sponger__hits_back_at_judge/

A FATHER-OF-FOUR who has never worked and claims incapacity benefit for his alcohol addiction last night hit back at the judge who branded him a “sponger”.

Stanley Clifton launched a four-letter tirade at Judge John Walford, who said the Darlington man should be stripped of the benefit because he claims not to have drank for a year.

The judge also railed against rules that meant he could not do unpaid work in the community because he is on incapacity benefit and cannot be insured.

Clifton, of Elland Court, Darlington, who says he has a full-time job looking after his children, said: “I’d like to see that f******g radged b*****d look after the kids all day long.

“How does he know what I do during the day? I bet he couldn’t do it.”

The 31-year-old was ordered to do 100 hours community service in March 2009 for a common assault he committed in February the previous year.

He had completed 49 hours before officials realised his ineligibility.

Nonetheless, he was hauled back before Teesside Crown Court on Tuesday to be sentenced for twice breaching the order.

Judge Walford, who was dissuaded from jailing him and instead told him he would be supervised by the Probation Service for three months, said: “He looks perfectly able bodied to me [to work].

“This defendant is the embodiment of the welfare dependency culture.”

Hitting back, Clifton, who lives with his partner, Leanne Nelson, the mother of his children, said: “Course I’m looking for work, but I’m not qualified for anything. I have had a job, a full-time job with the kids.

“The judge knows nothing about me or my life.

“I’ve looked into doing woodwork or being a deckhand on a boat, but it was too hard to get.

“Obviously, we depend on the money we get, but it’s all for the kids.

“I can’t remember the last pair of trainers.”

Despite telling court officials he had not had an alcoholic drink for a year, Mr Clifton admitted he still had the “odd tipple” now and again and continued to battle alcohol addiction.

He said: “I was drinking six or seven litres of extra strength cider a day. I stopped when I started to feel bad and the doctor said I needed to or I would die.

“I still have the odd drink when I get stressed out.

“The judge didn’t inquire if I had had any help with my addiction.

“What if I went out and hurt someone when I was drunk? I bet he’d have something to say about it then.”

Clifton, who began drinking aged 12, said he began claiming benefits five years later and now he and his partner receive about £200 a fortnight, of which £20 to £30 was incapacity benefit.

He said: “If we lost the incapacity benefit, looking after four kids would be a struggle.

“We recently had to buy the kids new uniforms because they moved schools.

“If they take it away I have got no qualifications, but I’ll do what I’ve got to do. If it happens, it happens.”

A neighbour of Clifton’s, who did not want to be named, said: “It’s ridiculous he was getting the benefit in the first place, he shouldn’t be allowed a penny.

“He is a sponger. I broke my back a few years ago and I had to claim incapacity benefit then, but there’s nothing wrong with him as far as I can see.

“As for him being a full-time dad, his partner takes the kids to school – he doesn’t do anything.”

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He cant remember the last pair of trainers he bought. Shame on the 31 year old man child.

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If you can't afford something, you aren't entitled to have other people pay for it. That includes having children (as well as buying trainers).

What happens if you have a job, and then lose it. Should you kill your children? :unsure:

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What happens if you have a job, and then lose it. Should you kill your children? :unsure:

What's wrong with saving for what you want? The man in this story has never worked, do you think we should all pay for his lifestyle choices (and probably those of his children too given the fine example he is setting them)? How many children do you think he is entitled to have on the welfare state?

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What happens if you have a job, and then lose it. Should you kill your children? :unsure:

Then you should recieve help if it is needed until you are in a position where you don't need that help. The difference between the teo situations being that if you had worked, you more then likely had a plan in place which allowed you to support children before you had them. This person on the other hand, has never worked, and appears to simply expect other people to pay for his offspring.

Sterilise the clown IMO! ;)

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I keep saying this more and more.

The people we WANT to have kids aren't. The people that we DON'T WANT to have kids are - simply because the benefits class can afford to, whereas everyone else can't. It so easy to spend money that isn't yours and that you didn't earn.

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He is on incapacity benefit, and yet has enough capacity to assault someone?

Someone please explain that to me.

Alcohol addiction. Question is, why hasn't he been put on some kind of rehab scheme if that is the case? Or perhaps it's easier to treat him like garbage and mock him rather than attempt to fix the problem.

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He is on incapacity benefit, and yet has enough capacity to assault someone?

Someone please explain that to me.

He's an alcoholic

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(Personally I don't think 'humanity as worker' will exist long enough for that collapse to happen, and will get usurped by artificial life and technological abundance long before any human eugenic arguments reach crisis.)

Truly sentient/lucid AI within this century still seems overtly optimistic and we're probably facing a Great Collapse already now (with the ball rolling in North Africa and the Middle East).

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Alcohol addiction. Question is, why hasn't he been put on some kind of rehab scheme if that is the case? Or perhaps it's easier to treat him like garbage and mock him rather than attempt to fix the problem.

He is the problem, so yes, he needs fixing

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Alcohol addiction. Question is, why hasn't he been put on some kind of rehab scheme if that is the case? Or perhaps it's easier to treat him like garbage and mock him rather than attempt to fix the problem.

What for?

It's just easier to pay him to do nothing and let him self medicate.

Hell if I had to live in darlington, I'd be an alcoholic.

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What for?

It's just easier to pay him to do nothing and let him self medicate.

Hell if I had to live in darlington, I'd be an alcoholic.

Don't knock it till you've tried it. Being an alcoholic I mean, obviously.

I went to school with Leanne Nelson.

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What's wrong with saving for what you want? The man in this story has never worked, do you think we should all pay for his lifestyle choices (and probably those of his children too given the fine example he is setting them)? How many children do you think he is entitled to have on the welfare state?

Would you employ him?

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Truly sentient/lucid AI within this century still seems overtly optimistic and we're probably facing a Great Collapse already now (with the ball rolling in North Africa and the Middle East).

Sentient or not is impossible to prove anyway so should be disregarded (same way I cant tell if you are conscious or not).

Superpowerful general AI is coming very quickly due to moores law. By 2030, the standard laptop will have more computing capacity than the average human brain, and by 2070, the standard laptop will have more computing power than the whole of humanity put together (not to mention much better ways of sharing information etc.)

Experts predict something like a singularity, after which computers are more dominant and we cannot predict what they decide to do.

So if computers see humanity as like this sponger, then it is going to be more difficult to persuade them to support us.

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Don't knock it till you've tried it. Being an alcoholic I mean, obviously.

I went to school with Leanne Nelson.

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Is she hot?

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Is she hot?

We didn't know them as such at the time, but her family were like the proto version of what eventually evolved into "chavs."

First generation welfare dependants I suppose, or some kind of semi-domesticated gippos.

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We didn't know them as such at the time, but her family were like the proto version of what eventually evolved into "chavs."

First generation welfare dependants I suppose, or some kind of semi-domesticated gippos.

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Skerne Park?

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Skerne Park?

Branksome. I don't know whether to be insulted by that assumption or not now.....

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Sentient or not is impossible to prove anyway so should be disregarded (same way I cant tell if you are conscious or not).

Superpowerful general AI is coming very quickly due to moores law. By 2030, the standard laptop will have more computing capacity than the average human brain, and by 2070, the standard laptop will have more computing power than the whole of humanity put together (not to mention much better ways of sharing information etc.)

Experts predict something like a singularity, after which computers are more dominant and we cannot predict what they decide to do.

Untrue I'm afraid.

Already physical limits are starting to be hit - if we want significantly faster CPUs it's going to be a pretty significant approach rather than improving what we have. This is why more CPUs is starting to become common instead of much faster CPUs. Also, even if you get hugely super-duper fast machines all that means is that they can add together more numbers. It doesn't make them cleverer, just quicker (to do anything like a brain you've got to go massively parallel, and we're nowhere near that).

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