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"In Germany overseas students do not pay higher fees than local ones. In other countries, he says it can be a case of "internationalism for those who can afford it".

"One of the strongest motivators is finance. To go to university in UK, US or Canada means taking on debt. It's essentially free to do it in Germany. It's incredibly appealing not to have to mortgage your future."

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AFOM told me that he recently visited S Germany and loved the country and the people. Living costs very low and he and I wondered if Germany is the forgotten ideal place to live. The stereotypes that still abound post WW1, WW2 may have a lot to do with the mental block vs. Germany. Every time I hear German spoken certain images come to mind--constant WW2 programs on t' tele. Basil Fawlty didn't help either.

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AFOM told me that he recently visited S Germany and loved the country and the people. Living costs very low and he and I wondered if Germany is the forgotten ideal place to live. The stereotypes that still abound post WW1, WW2 may have a lot to do with the mental block vs. Germany. Every time I hear German spoken certain images come to mind--constant WW2 programs on t' tele. Basil Fawlty didn't help either.

Went to Germany last year.

Fantastic place.

If I spoke the lingo I would consider a move there.

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The bits that were the old West Germany are like the Worker's Paradise that the East Germans were supposed to be working towards: cheap housing, high wages, loads of holiday and reasonable working hours.

Contrast that with Britain....

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I visited Germany (munich) for the first time a couple of weeks ago.

I loved the culture and the way things are done. When you see the deutsches-museum and things like BMW world you cannot fail to be impressed by the industry. Rail works like a dream and stations sell lovely food at reasonable prices. No chavs threatening to kick your head in as you walk through the city late at night and clean.

I would love my kids to go to Uni there.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12610268

"In Germany overseas students do not pay higher fees than local ones. In other countries, he says it can be a case of "internationalism for those who can afford it".

"One of the strongest motivators is finance. To go to university in UK, US or Canada means taking on debt. It's essentially free to do it in Germany. It's incredibly appealing not to have to mortgage your future."

One Chinese secretary in my office here in Jakarta has a daughter studying medicine in Germany.

Doesn't appear particularly well-heeled, so I asked her one day whether it was costing here an arm and a leg to pay for her. When she told me it was free, I was stunned.

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Rip off Britain again. The housing bubble, the university bubble, both more a means to screw the population rather than better it.

British students are learning that it pays to take their degree abroad

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/mar/06/university-europe-no-debt

Bullock, who comes from Redditch, Worcestershire, admits her family were baffled by her decision to study in the Netherlands. "They were a bit worried. I did also apply to Liverpool Uni to keep my mum happy as a backup plan, but I told her Maastricht was closer than Scotland; it's only three to four hours away by train. I knew this was what I wanted." It also helps, she said, that her annual tuition fees are just €1,672 – about £1,450.

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Milan and Munich are not so distant, less so than London and Manchester. But they could not be more different.

I'd move to Munich in a heartbeat. No money could bring me back to Milan (and I am Italian-born).

That to give some perspective.

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Germany is awesome. I have been to Munich (great) and Dresden (BEAUTIFUL!). It is excellent for engineering (which is what I do!), the people seem nice enough, it's next to other great European countries.

Hell, I think I just convinced myself!!

Get on to the BBC Languages site and get learning the language....

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Yes whisper it quietly but you can build a successful economy based on well-remunerated, unionised labour which doesn't have to work 50 hour weeks and gets long holiday allowances (because of aforementioned unionisation).

Just don't tell the globalists, the CBI or any MBA tutor. Not on-message.

Also, when you don't consistently offer tax breaks to the rich (sorry, the wealth creators) and corporations - but rather build a society wherein individuals and corporations are happy to pay their way to build a stable society (in the USA and the UK we call it socialism and spit on it), you find you have the tax funds to offer affordable higher education...

Like it used to be in the USA and the UK before the decision was made in these two countries that society should be run only for the wealthy and that individual greed (sorry, aspiration) and lack of social conscience is the way forward - a way of life (sort of, in a basic primate 'me first' way) ushered in during Thatcherism/Reaganism, a mentality for which we are now paying a heavy price financially and socially.

Funny - but in the USA and the UK we're going back to a 19th century way of life with robber barons (most wealthy 400 Americans now worth more than lowest 60% of total population), whereas others are moving forward.

We have been duped.

Edited by zilly

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Yes whisper it quietly but you can build a successful economy based on well-remunerated, unionised labour which doesn't have to work 50 hour weeks and gets long holiday allowances (because of aforementioned unionisation).

Just don't tell the globalists, the CBI or any MBA tutor. Not on-message.

Also, when you don't consistently offer tax breaks to the rich (sorry, the wealth creators) and corporations - but rather build a society wherein individuals and corporations are happy to pay their way to build a stable society (in the USA and the UK we call it socialism and spit on it), you find you have the tax funds to offer affordable higher education...

Like it used to be in the USA and the UK before the decision was made in these two countries that society should be run only for the wealthy and that individual greed (sorry, aspiration) and lack of social conscience is the way forward - a way of life (sort of, in a basic primate 'me first' way) ushered in during Thatcherism/Reaganism, a mentality for which we are now paying a heavy price financially and socially.

Funny - but in the USA and the UK we're going back to a 19th century way of life with robber barons (most wealthy 400 Americans now worth more than lowest 60% of total population), whereas others are moving forward.

We have been duped.

the Uk has had a statist/unionist government for the past decade, Germany has had a conservative government

but according to you the reason we are in such a mess is the opposite

wow

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the Uk has had a statist/unionist government for the past decade, Germany has had a conservative government

but according to you the reason we are in such a mess is the opposite

wow

Complete BS. Schroeder was a social-democrat and governed in coalition with the greens:

Bundeskanzler Gerhard Schröder (Rot-Grüne Koalition)

Bundeskanzlerin Angela Merkel (2005 bis 2009 Große Koalition, ab 2009 Schwarz-Gelbe Koalition)

http://de.wikipedia....ndesregierungen

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Yes whisper it quietly but you can build a successful economy based on well-remunerated, unionised labour which doesn't have to work 50 hour weeks and gets long holiday allowances (because of aforementioned unionisation).

Just don't tell the globalists, the CBI or any MBA tutor. Not on-message.

Also, when you don't consistently offer tax breaks to the rich (sorry, the wealth creators) and corporations - but rather build a society wherein individuals and corporations are happy to pay their way to build a stable society (in the USA and the UK we call it socialism and spit on it), you find you have the tax funds to offer affordable higher education...

Like it used to be in the USA and the UK before the decision was made in these two countries that society should be run only for the wealthy and that individual greed (sorry, aspiration) and lack of social conscience is the way forward - a way of life (sort of, in a basic primate 'me first' way) ushered in during Thatcherism/Reaganism, a mentality for which we are now paying a heavy price financially and socially.

Funny - but in the USA and the UK we're going back to a 19th century way of life with robber barons (most wealthy 400 Americans now worth more than lowest 60% of total population), whereas others are moving forward.

We have been duped.

Spot on.

Pointless arguing that on here though. They're all totally obsessed by the poor and unemployed taking 'their' taxes.

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This is becoming a Germany love in. :lol:

But I have to agree. It is an amazing place. People are friendly and funny. Everything works. Lots to do. Fit fit burds.

I do even speak a bit of the lingo. I would live there easy.

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Spot on.

Pointless arguing that on here though. They're all totally obsessed by the poor and unemployed taking 'their' taxes.

Agreed the UK will never seriously improve as long as common people keep blaming, envying and despising each other, rather than focusing on the real scourge, the parasitical upper class that runs this country exclusively for their own benefit.

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Edited by wise_eagle

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Agreed the UK will never seriously improve as long as common people keep blaming, envying and despising each other, rather than focusing on the real scourge, the parasitical upper class that runs this country exclusively for their own benefit.

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I likw that sentiment it really is spot on

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Northern Europe is just a lovely place. Lovely people, beautiful towns.

You can go out for a beer at anytime you want and wont see masses of yobs about, or be screamed at and told to fack off to a club as soon as the clock gets near 11. You are not automatically assumed to be evil as you are having a beer either.

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I'm only 36, and already looking about where I can retire and get the F*** out of the UK.

This week, it's Belize.

It's been other places before, but never Germany!

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Complete BS. Schroeder was a social-democrat and governed in coalition with the greens:

http://de.wikipedia....ndesregierungen

6 years then

complete BS - you f*cking wish

out of the last 30 years of government, germany (west germany earlier on) has had, what, 8 years of statist government, Schmidt until 1982, and then Schroder 1998 to 2005

this saved germany from conservatism, all 8 years of it finishing in 2005. What genius.

just think, we must have done so well having labour in power for 14 years from 1996 to 2010.

I'm so glad we never got rid of Labour in 2005 me now. blimey.

Over the same period, we had 14 years of statism finishing in 2010, and 16 years of conservatism

our problems are all to do with not having enough statism. clearly.

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And the German conservatives are probably more left wing than our labour party!

they are stated fiscal conservatives, which is decidedly to the right of the last labour government, and christian democrats rather than social democrats

could you justify this any further?

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Agreed the UK will never seriously improve as long as common people keep blaming, envying and despising each other, rather than focusing on the real scourge, the parasitical upper class that runs this country exclusively for their own benefit.

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....I wouldn't call them upper class. ;)

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Whats it got to do with left or right?

I dont care whether liebour or left or right, i do care that liebour are a bunch of economic incompetants.

Bush was 'right' (debatable, more of a Tony Bliar internationalist neocon clone) and was similarly financially incompetant.

Not being able to add up isnt confined to the right, left or any ideology.

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