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http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/mar/07/spain-lowers-motorway-speed-limit-save-oil

Spanish drivers have begun keeping their speed to below 110 km per hour (68mph) on motorways after the government made a cut in the speed limit a key measure in moves to lower Spain's energy bill.

The controversial 10 km/hr change to the speed limit will remain in place at least until the end of June as part of a series of measures designed to cut consumption by more than 5%.

Other measures included schemes for replacing old tyres, switching public lighting to low energy bulbs and helping town halls hire consultants to reduce their electricity consumption.

Spain's socialist government aims to save the country from importing 28.6m barrels of oil a year – a potential saving of €2.3bn (£2bn). The government said it also hoped to reduce annual CO2 emissions by 12.5m tonnes.

More than 6,000 motorway speed limit signs had to be changed overnight, with an army of workers sticking the new speed limit over the old one.

Here's a free tip connect all the consultants up to a wind turbine and all the hot air they generate will help power the whole of Spain.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110307/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_spain_libya_oil_prices

The new highway speed limit will stay until June 30 and could be extended, meaning it's uncertain how fast European drivers will be able to go when they flock to Spain for summer vacations.

The 1974 U.S. law cut highway speed limits to 89 kph (55 mph), but was so widely loathed that it was eventually raised to 105 kph (65 mph) on major highways. U.S. states now set their own limits. Some western states allow 129 kph (80 mph) speed limits in flat rural areas.

http://www.wisegeek.com/how-did-the-70s-energy-crisis-affect-the-united-states.htm

A national 55 mile per hour (90 kilometers per hour) speed limit was imposed to increase fuel efficiency, and daylight saving time was moved to reduce demand for fuel. These imposed austerity measures fed into a more general examination of American energy policy, with some Americans protesting such measures under the argument that they infringed on the rights of the people or posed undue hardship.

http://www.helium.com/debates/184893-should-us-national-speed-limits-revert-back-to-55-miles-per-hour/side_by_side?page=3

Interesting debate here on whether the US should go back to 55.

The first panic move?

It's starting to look like we could have a repeat of the fuel price spike in the 70's.

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Spain has choices and alternatives...

We dont.

Outside Seville and Malaga are massive solar power plants conventional photovoltaic and also solar furnace type. On the way to Gibraltar are stacks and stacks of wind farms. Even the campsites I stayed at through Spain were all solar powered.

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Of course if we got rid of some of the compulsory safety features in EU cars that make them heavy then we could all reduce our fuel consumption.

You can make very light cars... the Copen for instance is 670kilos, (its a turbo triple)..

I am all for removing airbags, seat belts and removal of crumple zones. Such things make people think they are invincible and therefore they drive much more haphazdly because they believe they won't be hurt when they crash.

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I read recently about how engines would give more mpg if we abondoned catalytic convertors. I'm not sure what that would mean for the pollutants but the argument was that engines are so much cleaner now that it shouldn't be a problem.

I guess an extra benefit is that you don't use up so many rare elements in building the cat.

As for the spanish speed limit, I think if people want to save money by saving petrol they will cut their speed anyway, why does the public have to be told that they must slow down? Let people make their own decisions. The roads round my way have had many more people doing ~60mph lately....

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Outside Seville and Malaga are massive solar power plants conventional photovoltaic and also solar furnace type.

Are those the ones where they were running diesel generators to create power in order to collect fat solar subsidies?

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The logic can extend. If we reduce the speed limit to zero, then we will use no fuel at all as nobody will ever move. The trap they have fallen into is only looking at one side of the equation. Lower speed limits means more time spent travelling which means less time spent working and doing other productive things. This loss of productivity is not taken into account.

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I read recently about how engines would give more mpg if we abondoned catalytic convertors. I'm not sure what that would mean for the pollutants but the argument was that engines are so much cleaner now that it shouldn't be a problem.

I guess an extra benefit is that you don't use up so many rare elements in building the cat.

As for the spanish speed limit, I think if people want to save money by saving petrol they will cut their speed anyway, why does the public have to be told that they must slow down? Let people make their own decisions. The roads round my way have had many more people doing ~60mph lately....

Yes, the introduction of the cat curtailed development of lean burn and stratified charge technologies. The official EU tests seem designed so that they can best be met by an engine with a cat. Any truth in the rumour that at one time an EU politician had cornered most of the worlds platinum supplies?

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Are those the ones where they were running diesel generators to create power in order to collect fat solar subsidies?

Nah, the sun shines at night in Spain..

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The logic can extend. If we reduce the speed limit to zero, then we will use no fuel at all as nobody will ever move. The trap they have fallen into is only looking at one side of the equation. Lower speed limits means more time spent travelling which means less time spent working and doing other productive things. This loss of productivity is not taken into account.

Less time sitting on your **** watching the TV. Well, that's what it would be in this country, I don't know what the Spanish are like. Certainly if it takes me longer to get into work I can't spend less time at work, and it doesn't really affect how much I spend outside. The travelling that is affected is that travelling that's contributing directly in its own right, e.g. moving useful stuff to where it's needed, but considering that it seems to be economically efficient to move stuff by ludicrously long, roundabout routes from source to destination I'm sceptical about loss of productivity due to have to go roundabout slower.

The economic benefits of being able to run around like headless chickens are often overstates IMO. Obviously there comes a point where it starts to bite; we'd soon all be in a mess if nothing could be moved faster than walking pace. I suspect (without evidence, admittedly) that the effects rise exponentially against a drop of speed, so trimming it a little won't make much difference but a lot could really make a mess.

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The way some of the Spanish drive it will not only save fuel but also lives.... ;)

The lower speed limits for Transit/Sprinter sized vans weren't introduced in this country for road safety but during the fuel crisis of the Seventies to save fuel and have since not been repealed.

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The lower speed limits for Transit/Sprinter sized vans weren't introduced in this country for road safety but during the fuel crisis of the Seventies to save fuel and have since not been repealed.

The other thing about speed limits in the 70s was that before then there was only a 70mph MOTORWAY speed limit, not a national limit.

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