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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-08/audi-buyers-wait-months-as-factories-at-full-steam-struggle-to-keep-pace.html

Audi Buyers Wait Months as Factories Struggle to Keep Up With Orders

By Cornelius Rahn

Audi AG buyers must wait an average of three to four months for cars like the $52,700 A6 sedan as the company runs factories at full steam in an effort to keep pace with record demand, sales chief Peter Schwarzenbauer said.

Customers at BMW, the world’s biggest luxury-car maker, must wait as many as three months for most models and as long as six months for the overhauled X3 sport-utility vehicle, said Birgit Hiller, a spokeswoman for the Munich-based company.

My comments: No discount selling for them. Want a German luxury car? Put your non-refundable deposit down now, pay full retail, or above retail price, and wait 3 months. Oh ya, and suck up to the sales staff at the garage. Actually this attitude is how our estate agents were so successful over the last decade.

In the depths of the great recession Mercedes had slow sales on some of their cars. So they did the typical Germanic response and raised prices. Sales picked right back up.

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Bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-08/audi-buyers-wait-months-as-factories-at-full-steam-struggle-to-keep-pace.html

Audi Buyers Wait Months as Factories Struggle to Keep Up With Orders

By Cornelius Rahn

My comments: No discount selling for them. Want a German luxury car? Put your non-refundable deposit down now, pay full retail, or above retail price, and wait 3 months. Oh ya, and suck up to the sales staff at the garage. Actually this attitude is how our estate agents were so successful over the last decade.

In the depths of the great recession Mercedes had slow sales on some of their cars. So they did the typical Germanic response and raised prices. Sales picked right back up.

And the Germans are very patriotic in their car buying. Walking through Frankfurt last week, pretty much all you see are VW, BMW, Audi, and Porsche.

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And the Germans are very patriotic in their car buying. Walking through Frankfurt last week, pretty much all you see are VW, BMW, Audi, and Porsche.

I'm sure we would be had our car industry not been destroyed by the socialist-wreck that was British Leyland.

Vauxhalls and Fords were our equivalents as most of most of them were made here. I think it's only the Astra and the Transit that still are.

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I'm sure we would be had our car industry not been destroyed by the socialist-wreck that was British Leyland.

Vauxhalls and Fords were our equivalents as most of most of them were made here. I think it's only the Astra and the Transit that still are.

Yeah, but the modern replacements are Honda and Nissan. Nissans Sunderland plant is the most efficient/protctive in europe.

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Yeah, but the modern replacements are Honda and Nissan. Nissans Sunderland plant is the most efficient/protctive in europe.

Yes, and setting aside that I would rather drive anything than a Nissan Micra, they haven't become identified as British brands in the way that, say, Vauxhall has. GM retained the Vauxhall name just for Britain and made a lot of them here. Identical cars were Opels on the continent but that badge was never the same.

If Honda had bought the Rover name and starting turning out Rover Civics in the Swindon plant I would probably be driving one to work this morning.

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A long discussion about it here - people waiting a year for a golf / skoda

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=964333&mid=203449&nmt=New+car+lead+times%3F%3F!!

:lol: I can understand waiting for the high end cars, because its a price the buyer pays for getting that status of owning it.

But for a golf or skoda that is just sad. I think I would go to another automaker and buy their car if it was available right away. However if I know people these waiting lists will increase sales and selling prices as the hype builds.

I think it is a good lesson for business.. Charge more and don't make it easy to buy your products. Make the customer think you are doing them a big favour by allowing them to buy your product at well above retail price. Whereas if you show desperation or try discounting, soon people won't touch your product even for free.

Just look at how estate agents treat people.. and it works. Listen there is 3 other offers on this house, all of them above the list price...

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Power of the Unions!

Can you name one British Union that hasnt destryed a business where its been allowed to have carte blanche.

Nonsense, Germany has powerful unions too.

The reason why the UK doesn't have much of native car industry anymore is because of the crappy quality of the products in the past, German car workers are the highest paid worldwide, but since they products have a good reputation they can still be successfully sold at a profit.

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And who is responsible for the crap quality? Union members and weak leadership.

Honda and Nissan in the UK are proof that crap quality is completely an engineering and processes problem, nothing to do with unions or workers.

Stop the union bashing, they have got nothing to do with this.

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Nonsense, Germany has powerful unions too.

The reason why the UK doesn't have much of native car industry anymore is because of the crappy quality of the products in the past, German car workers are the highest paid worldwide, but since they products have a good reputation they can still be successfully sold at a profit.

Exactly.

Whisper it quietly, but a unionised workforce that is well remunerated and treated fairly (including long holidays) can result in an incredibly successful company.

Simple human psychology - a happy worker is a productive worker.

Countries like the USA and the UK chose the other route - pay people as little as possible, keep them divided and scared (hence demotivated) and send their jobs abroad at every opportunity in order to reduce costs (hence make more money on your stock options).

The reason BL failed wasn't because of the unions - it was pi55-poor management that produced a rubbish product.

But that fact has been airbrushed out of history, because it's dogmatic here that unions are nasty, horrible things that are anti-business.

Just don't mention the Germans.

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And the Germans are very patriotic in their car buying. Walking through Frankfurt last week, pretty much all you see are VW, BMW, Audi, and Porsche.

They take pride in their nation--justifiably so for the most part. No HPI disease in Germany.

If we went patriotic and bought genuine British motors our choice would be limited to Morgan, Noble and Robin.

I am in t' market to replace my beloved '05 Mazda 6 and am thinking a late model A3 1.6 FSI--cheaper than a diesel and almost as good petrol mileage.

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Wonder how much of their output is being sucked up by China (and the rest of Asia).

R.O.W. secondary market status whilst they build their profile in these countries and satisfy demand onthe ground there?

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Wonder how much of their output is being sucked up by China (and the rest of Asia).

R.O.W. secondary market status whilst they build their profile in these countries and satisfy demand onthe ground there?

There were more new cars sold in China last year than in the U.S

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When you look at British Leyland, the management wanted to push through change & restructuring but the unions didnt want to see it.

Bear in mind you have the oil crisis going on, 3 day weeks and other tough conditions in the 1970's.

The subsequent bad management decisions were forced by the unions weakening the company. Every strike reduced your customer base.

I would say the Unions got strong because of crap management, and placemen at the top...

Same with the public sector today.

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I just took delivery of a new Mercedes E-Class and sales are healthy. The reason is simple, the build quality and fuel efficiency makes these cars economically viable over the long-term in spite of the price. Britain could no longer compete on quality, the workers became slap-dash and arrogant - as has most of our working classes. Go to Germany and you can easily find a working man whose proud of his skill and dedication to work.

Mercedes sales are on the rise with China buying quite a few, not so much because of wealth but because Germany can give you world-beating quality :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_E-Class#Production_and_sales

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I'm sure we would be had our car industry not been destroyed by the socialist-wreck that was British Leyland.

Vauxhalls and Fords were our equivalents as most of most of them were made here. I think it's only the Astra and the Transit that still are.

Yep - We're complete idiots.

We were leading the World in Space technology and then Labour scrapped it. Result: a few years later America made Billions from satellite technology.

We were leading the World in magna hover train technology then Labour (I think?) scrapped it: Result: Japan took it up and made billons

and so it goes on and on and on.

We seem to lack confidence to push things through. I guess it's a reflection of our down trodden society, where the professions are seen as all important, at the expense of 'hands-on' developments.

What people haven't quite grasped yet, is that we are entering a post-professional phase. Doctors, for example, are frustrated because they no-longer have a unique body of knowledge. Who needs accountants these days? Qualifications stand for very little.

We're gona have to start making good quality stuff again, and pretty damn quick.

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I am curious how much impact does the company car schemes have on the lead times.

In recent years my car scheme only got Nissan, Ford, Vauxhall and Renault in the low and mid grades where most of the workforce is.

From last year I see audis, volvos and BMWs sitting there as well.

Same industry, different company is offering the BMWs even in lower job grades.

Not surprised that most of the male operatives are driving in 1st and 3rd series.

On other hand a colleague was out for a car. to get him to and fro work. went to dealer and asked for one (Hyundai i10). He wanted one now and one white was available. they gave it to him at discount so he drove it away straight on.

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Waiting Lists For German Cars
Slightly misleading as it's actually a waiting list for Audi cars. Are there waiting lists for BMW and Mercedes?
We were leading the World in Space technology and then Labour scrapped it. Result: a few years later America made Billions from satellite technology.

We were leading the World in magna hover train technology then Labour (I think?) scrapped it: Result: Japan took it up and made billons

We had a thriving coal industry which was destroyed by Margaret Thatcher with a bit of help from Arthur Scargill. Thatcher also started the process that led to a lot of our industries to ending up in foreign hands.
When you look at British Leyland, the management wanted to push through change & restructuring but the unions didnt want to see it.
This is only part of the story. Yes, you had Red Robbo and union disruption, but there was also a lot of trouble from the brand managers, which prevented rationalisation of the ranges of cars. With the luxury cars Jaguar, Rover and Triumph managements insisted on building complete car designs and wouldn't share components. It took years to rationalise the range of cars.

This was different from in the 50's when BMC, one of the main constituents of a future British Leyland was formed. BMC soon set about rationalising their ranges - fitting the Austin A 30 engine to the Morris Minor in place of an antiquated side-valve engine, for example. Within a few years BMC had gone too far, becoming the all-time champions of badge engineering with their BMC 1100/1300 range, which was sold as Austin, MG, Morris, Wolseley, Riley and Vanden Plas versions, plus an Innocenti verion in Italy!

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Slightly misleading as it's actually a waiting list for Audi cars. Are there waiting lists for BMW and Mercedes?

Somone at work had to wait a few weeks for his new VW.

It's just been delivered to the showroom - about 10 weeks I think.

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Slightly misleading as it's actually a waiting list for Audi cars. Are there waiting lists for BMW and Mercedes?

We had a thriving coal industry which was destroyed by Margaret Thatcher with a bit of help from Arthur Scargill. Thatcher also started the process that led to a lot of our industries to ending up in foreign hands.

She did - true.

Those mines can never be opened agai, as flooded.

Have any of you been up the valleys recently? (No jokes please!) We went p there a few weeks ago. The poverty is desperate.

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A long discussion about it here - people waiting a year for a golf / skoda

They're daft then. There are plenty of websites out there ( like http://www.autoebid.com/ ) that let dealers around the country bid for your new-car business, and will invariably give you delivery dates much sooner than the standard "it'll be 3-5 months" response from your local dealer and cheaper.

Often dealers will have build-slots available, it's just a case of finding which dealer has them.

I was quoted 5-months to wait with zero discount for a C63 AMG from my local dealer, an internet search found a build slot in a few weeks time with £4-5k off, the same with a Prius I bought.

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They take pride in their nation--justifiably so for the most part. No HPI disease in Germany.

If we went patriotic and bought genuine British motors our choice would be limited to Morgan, Noble and Robin.

I am in t' market to replace my beloved '05 Mazda 6 and am thinking a late model A3 1.6 FSI--cheaper than a diesel and almost as good petrol mileage.

If British Leyland failed because it was a state-owned manufacturer building crap products, how come Renault is still in existence?

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