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The story is that the government is stopping aid to countries like Russia and China, freezing aid to India.

Perfectly reasonable in my opinion and something that a lot of voters/taxpayers will agree with.

So what do they show as the first picture? An Indian bloke on crutches, with half a leg missing, walking through some slum. The message couldn't be clearer. Of course they could have shown a few Indian billionaires, or their yachts, or some of their spacecraft......but oh no, that wouldn't drive the 'Evil Tories' message home.

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...but oh no, that wouldn't drive the 'Evil Tories' message home.

+1

India will likely be richer than us soon. Why don't they give us some aid?

For example to help with the 25,000 people in the UK that die of cold-related illness every winter - preventable deaths?

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I'd hate to break it to the BBC, but most people in this country are not hand-wringing Islington trendy urbansitas. Most people are sick and tired of seeing billions disappearing into foreign 'aid' budgets.

The more sanctimonious the tone of articles like this, the more irritation people will feel. If Jocasta and Crispin care so vewwy much about India's poor, they can get the f*ck over there themselves and help build a school or two.

We are talking about a country with Nukes and a Space programme, for Christ's sake.

Of course, if it were Labour making the cut it would be presented as the final stage of a 110% successful aid program, for which the proud peoples of India wish to garland Gordon Brown with flowers for all eternity.

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The story is that the government is stopping aid to countries like Russia and China, freezing aid to India.

Perfectly reasonable in my opinion and something that a lot of voters/taxpayers will agree with.

So what do they show as the first picture? An Indian bloke on crutches, with half a leg missing, walking through some slum. The message couldn't be clearer. Of course they could have shown a few Indian billionaires, or their yachts, or some of their spacecraft......but oh no, that wouldn't drive the 'Evil Tories' message home.

Bastards

It annoys me more that these contributions are still classed as "aid". They aren't, they are bribes. States with space programmes could prioritise to aid their poor.

Foreign aid is simply an access to markets bribe.

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(... ) An Indian bloke on crutches, with half a leg missing, walking through some slum. (...)

The BBC is cr@ap.

Did they mentioned these countries average GDP / person / year ?

Here: data from the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) : https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html

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Peter Mandelson told Andrew Marr this morning that New Labour stood for economic competence and social justice. The cornflakes flew as Marr let this laughable statement slide unchallenged. Why pay this BBC lickspittle £600,000 a year when we could just have the Labour Party read out their own press releases for free.

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By the way, has anyone seen a full list of these 16 countries? I've search for it but can't find it.

Russia - no more aid

Iraq - no more aid

China - no more aid

Kosovo - no more aid

India - aid frozen

What about the others? This isn't just acting as a mouthpiece of government; this is managing the release of news to influence public opinion.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12589626

The story is that the government is stopping aid to countries like Russia and China, freezing aid to India.

Perfectly reasonable in my opinion and something that a lot of voters/taxpayers will agree with.

So what do they show as the first picture? An Indian bloke on crutches, with half a leg missing, walking through some slum. The message couldn't be clearer. Of course they could have shown a few Indian billionaires, or their yachts, or some of their spacecraft......but oh no, that wouldn't drive the 'Evil Tories' message home.

Bastards

Let's look at the FACTS (source - wikipedia).

List of countries by the number of US dollar billionaires

China - 128

India - 69

Russia - 62

U.K - 29

Gold reserves

China - 1,054.1

Russia - 775.2

India - 557.7

U.K - 310.3

Enough of this BS...This country is a$$ backwards!

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Peter Mandelson told Andrew Marr this morning that New Labour stood for economic competence and social justice. The cornflakes flew as Marr let this laughable statement slide unchallenged. Why pay this BBC lickspittle £600,000 a year when we could just have the Labour Party read out their own press releases for free.

+1.

That's a great quote that deserves to be put out there

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Peter Mandelson told Andrew Marr this morning that New Labour stood for economic competence and social justice. The cornflakes flew as Marr let this laughable statement slide unchallenged. Why pay this BBC lickspittle £600,000 a year when we could just have the Labour Party read out their own press releases for free.

Well put, that gets right to the nub if the issues that many have with the BBC - it's a political organisation in all but name, and it's natural party is NuLabour.

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Well put, that gets right to the nub if the issues that many have with the BBC - it's a political organisation in all but name, and it's natural party is NuLabour.

Agreed, and we are forced to fund it.

Why not scrap the license fee, fund it directly from taxation and make it the official mouthpiece of the incumbent government?

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Let's look at the FACTS (source - wikipedia).

List of countries by the number of US dollar billionaires

China - 128

India - 69

Russia - 62

U.K - 29

How do those figures look per capita, oh FACT king, compared to, say, the number of one legged beggars per capita?

Gold reserves

China - 1,054.1

Russia - 775.2

India - 557.7

U.K - 310.3

Enough of this BS...This country is a$$ backwards!

Fascinating.

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+1

India will likely be richer than us soon. Why don't they give us some aid?

For example to help with the 25,000 people in the UK that die of cold-related illness every winter - preventable deaths?

You know that 'small' tax of 5% they stuck on all our energy and power bills (that enlarges day by day)

as power companies raise prices well above inflation . . . . .

Who handles that & where does it disappear? :(

"At Trinity, Cambridge, Marr says he was a "raving leftie", and he acquired the nickname 'Red And_y'

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I'd hate to break it to the BBC, but most people in this country are not hand-wringing Islington trendy urbansitas. Most people are sick and tired of seeing billions disappearing into foreign 'aid' budgets.

The more sanctimonious the tone of articles like this, the more irritation people will feel. If Jocasta and Crispin care so vewwy much about India's poor, they can get the f*ck over there themselves and help build a school or two.

We are talking about a country with Nukes and a Space programme, for Christ's sake.

Of course, if it were Labour making the cut it would be presented as the final stage of a 110% successful aid program, for which the proud peoples of India wish to garland Gordon Brown with flowers for all eternity.

The problem with a lot of lefties is that because they believe themselves to be 'progressive' in all things, they can't see that what was progressive 40 years ago may no longer be today. Eg, a lot of the BBC lefties seem to have a 1950s mindset that the Commonwealth needs a helping hand in ridding itself of the shackles of Empire and that the wise British progressives are the ones to do it, doling out cash and liberal attitudes -- they don't seem to realise we are bankrupt and countries like India are in many ways more wealthy than us and one look at Britain's slums will tell them we haven't much to teach them. :angry:

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Let's look at the FACTS (source - wikipedia).

List of countries by the number of US dollar billionaires

China - 128

India - 69

Russia - 62

U.K - 29

Gold reserves

China - 1,054.1

Russia - 775.2

India - 557.7

U.K - 310.3

Enough of this BS...This country is a$$ backwards!

Data from the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) : Countries' average GDP / person / year : https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html

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countries like India are in many ways more wealthy than us and one look at Britain's slums will tell them we haven't much to teach them. :angry:

You were misinformed. Please take a look at the CIA link in my post above.

The problem with a lot of lefties (...)

Charity and compassion are not a political thing, not a left v right thing. It is much more to do with personal characteristics, individual personalities.

But I think in most case the misunderstandings are down to misinformation, particularly via British tabloids.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12589626

The story is that the government is stopping aid to countries like Russia and China, freezing aid to India.

Perfectly reasonable in my opinion and something that a lot of voters/taxpayers will agree with.

So what do they show as the first picture? An Indian bloke on crutches, with half a leg missing, walking through some slum. The message couldn't be clearer. Of course they could have shown a few Indian billionaires, or their yachts, or some of their spacecraft......but oh no, that wouldn't drive the 'Evil Tories' message home.

Bastards

That is probably too nice a word for them; the BBC = Liebour = the Guardian/ NUJ = Common Purpose.

Five Live this morning was priceless.................three highlights were all the commentators at the cricket proudly describing themesleves as neutral other than the one openly Indian supporting one, a supposed comedy show entirely made up of lefties making jokes about Cameron and Clegg, and a politics hour discussing foreign aid with the main guest Kevin 'I sleep with Edd Balls' Maguire suggesting without question that the vast majority of the British people would be against these cuts to the owe so necessary foreign aid budget (little mention of billionaires or space programmes).

As we all know the BBC defines the British people only in terms of trendy privileged Liebour supporting Common Purpose graduates on the public payroll or oppressed immigrant communities; the rest are there to be belittled, attacked and patronised.

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How do those figures look per capita, oh FACT king, compared to, say, the number of one legged beggars per capita?

Let's just say those billionaires could be doing a bit more to help out their own people...

rather than taking money from the British public who are now £1 trillion+ underwater!

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That is probably too nice a word for them; the BBC = Liebour = the Guardian/ NUJ = Common Purpose.

Five Live this morning was priceless.................three highlights were all the commentators at the cricket proudly describing themesleves as neutral other than the one openly Indian supporting one, a supposed comedy show entirely made up of lefties making jokes about Cameron and Clegg, and a politics hour discussing foreign aid with the main guest Kevin 'I sleep with Edd Balls' Maguire suggesting without question that the vast majority of the British people would be against these cuts to the owe so necessary foreign aid budget (little mention of billionaires or space programmes).

As we all know the BBC defines the British people only in terms of trendy privileged Liebour supporting Common Purpose graduates on the public payroll or oppressed immigrant communities; the rest are there to be belittled, attacked and patronised.

+1 "trendy privileged Liebour supporting Common Purpose graduates" lets have a look at these people

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The trouble is that the 'compassionate' want to be compassionate with other people's money.

People with a compassionate personality can give as much as they like. But is it really compassionate to force someone to give who does not want to. That sounds like dictatorship and compulsion. Usually from people who still have many things themselves that they could give.

This is indeed a problem. The opposite problem is the "free rider" in "game theory".

That is why a mid-way was found by the UN - a minimum donation, of less than 1% of GDP by all developed countries (0.7% to be precise).

Anything above that is welcomed, of course, as are individual donations.

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You were misinformed. Please take a look at the CIA link in my post above.

Charity and compassion are not a political thing, not a left v right thing. It is much more to do with personal characteristics, individual personalities.

But I think in most case the misunderstandings are down to misinformation, particularly via British tabloids.

My point is that Britain is not in a position to either aid foreign countries financially (we are a trillion pounds plus in debt) nor are we in a position of moral superiority to lecture them on how to run their society - former colonies became independent and should run their own affairs. The only justification for foreign aid is as a form of sweetener to promote trade, but let's call it what it is and not pretend it is state sponsored compassion.

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What Cameron should do is announce some Chinese foreign aid cut on the same day that the China Space Agency launch a big rocket. Then it'll be on the BBC news headlines: "Cameron cuts aid to China!..." Followed straight by "China launches massive incredibly expensive space rocket...". The newsreaders at the BBC will really have to earn their money that day B)

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What Cameron should do is announce some Chinese foreign aid cut on the same day that the China Space Agency launch a big rocket. (...)

We don't give aid to foreign governments. It goes directly to specific charities.

Of course these governments should be taking care of their own people's needs better, obviously. All governments in the world should. Alas, they don't. That is why the poorest individuals in these poor countries need direct help.

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This is indeed a problem. The opposite problem is the "free rider" in "game theory".

That is why a mid-way was found by the UN - a minimum donation, of less than 1% of GDP by all developed countries (0.7% to be precise).

Anything above that is welcomed, of course, as are individual donations.

Strange I don't recall being asked to vote for the UN.

Perhaps if the state is so convinced that stealing money from UK citizens and giving it away is a good and popular thing to do, it should add this as an additional item to the AV referendum. If they win; end of argument from me.

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+1

India will likely be richer than us soon. Why don't they give us some aid?

For example to help with the 25,000 people in the UK that die of cold-related illness every winter - preventable deaths?

I was at an E.On roadshow event last year and met Mervin Kohler of the Age UK charity. During the discussion he revealed the figure is actually 35,000.

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